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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:48 PM
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Validate the vote - OpEd in Baltimore Sun
Edited on Fri Nov-26-04 03:14 PM by IndyOp
Validate the vote - by Ian H. Solomon (Associate Dean of Yale Law School)
November 26, 2004

MOST MAINSTREAM newspapers have already dismissed stories of voting fraud and voting rights violations in the November election as baseless or irrelevant. Sen. John Kerry's concession is supposed to demonstrate that there is no story here. Give up, go home, it's all over. But it's not over.

We would like to believe that voting irregularities were identified and corrected, that participants fulfilled their duties appropriately, that the machines performed reliably and that the total discrepancy between voter intention and recorded results was less than the margin of victory in relevant contests. But that conclusion must be reached on the basis of evidence, not blind faith.

Disturbingly, several Web sites have demonstrated the ease of hacking into the AccuVote TS machines made by Diebold Election Systems, the company that for $2.6 million recently settled a lawsuit by California over voting machine problems. Another major manufacturer of electronic voting machines, Election Systems & Software, has also been subject to criticism for machine breakdowns and vulnerability. There is no evidence of fraud, but neither manufacturer has assuaged widespread concerns about inappropriate partisanship and unreliability.

American legitimacy demands that the news media, the parties and all political leaders take seriously the challenges presented by the 2004 election: We need an audit of the election process, validation of the election results and corrective measures to ensure the legitimacy of future elections. To begin with, that means supporting the audit efforts already under way.... This should be a priority for Congress, with vigilant participation by independent news organizations. The complete process - from registration through vote tallying, including all equipment and procedures - must be thoroughly and publicly assessed. No reasonable argument can be offered against disclosure and accountability. We can afford whatever expense, inconvenience, distraction and possible embarrassment may be caused by an election audit and congressional investigation. What we cannot afford are unresolved doubts about the legitimacy of our democratic government.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.election26nov26,1,4103824.story?coll=bal-oped-headlines
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:53 PM
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1. Ab-so-phucking-lutely!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:26 AM
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18. Kick (n/t)
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:56 PM
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2. Could not have said it better! n/t
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:58 PM
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3. Awesome topic, but
Edited on Fri Nov-26-04 03:01 PM by intheflow
posted articles are to be edited down to 4 paragraphs, max.

Edit this before the admins do it for you.

Message board rules: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=80745&mesg_id=80745&page=

BTW, Solomon had a piece in the Nashua (NH Telegraph on this same topic about 2 weeks ago. See:
http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041114/OPINION04/111140009/-1/opinion


Oh yeah--and welcome to DU! :hi:
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:16 PM
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8. I edited it...
Thanks for letting me know about the 4 paragraphs rule. I sort of combined some of his paragraphs to get down to 4, but it is much shorter now.

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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:32 PM
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9. No problem.
Thanks again for posting this great piece! :yourock:
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:03 PM
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4. Nominated topic for homepage!!
Excellent in describing why the election MUST be verified regardless of which candidate you support. The principle of fair and valid elections is at stake here!
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:09 PM
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5. Way to go Baltimore Sun
Perhaps I will have to renew my subscription...:bounce:
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:11 PM
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6. A very tiny bit of math
Edited on Fri Nov-26-04 03:12 PM by Stand and Fight
Hey folks... I was just sitting here mulling over something. I'm sure you've all read the testimony of voters in Ohio being turned off by the long lines. You know, the stories of as much as 75 people leaving their voting places over the course of the election day. Let's just say that out of Ohio 11,300 precincts just -- and I'm making a liberal estimate here -- 25% of those are democratic strongholds. Okay, so that leaves a total of 2,825 precincts are democratic strongholds. That being said, let's say that ONLY 30 people leave the line during the course of a voting day. This equates to Mr. Kerry losing some 84,750 votes if 100% of those voters who left had voted for Mr. Kerry. Jesus Christ!! 84,750 fucking votes! And that is with only 30 people leaving during the course of election day for whatever reason after not having cast a ballot. We all know that there are surely more than just 25% of the precincts in Ohio that are democratic strongholds. I'd never given much credence or thought to the reports of people leaving their polling places; however, having done this very elementary math, the implications of just 30 people leaving are scary. Plus we already know that in some precincts more than 30 people left.... What do you think? What are the actual numbers of Democratic precincts in Ohio? This is without ANY voter fraud whatsoever -- this is just with too few voting machines being in Democratic precincts. Weigh in here folks.... I'm gonna post this in its on thread.
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masshole1979 Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 05:45 PM
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11. I agree with you, the people who walked away alone might give it to bush
In NH, people were calling saying they couldn't vote because there was no parking!!!!! Meanwhile, in sparsely populated repug. strongholds, this was, on the whole, not much of a problem.

This is one of the biggest unreported stories of this election. Unequal ballot access cost Kerry the election (assuming fraud didn't do it too).
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 03:13 PM
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7. We really need the wisdom of Solomon right now
Thank you dear sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 05:44 PM
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10. An Associate Dean of Law at Yale Speaks out!
Don't take my word Senator, Here's what an Associate Dean at Yale has to say on the issue.

That was the gist of the letter I just sent to my Senators was.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 02:44 PM
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22. Please send the same letter to ....
...your State SoS and AG and to folk like Olbermann, Oprah, Randi Rhodes.....

Thank you.
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 07:14 PM
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12. :) n/t
Edited on Fri Nov-26-04 07:19 PM by Viva_La_Revolution
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 07:26 PM
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13. kick N/T
;)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 09:10 PM
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14. ALL RIGHT!!! 'Prove My Vote Counts, Now" -- KICK THIS ONE TO THE HOME PAGE
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 09:37 PM
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15. Cross posted this truly remarkable article at dKos
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/26/21262/464

If any of you have access to the full text, I do not want to violate copyright, but I would like to be able to read it. Do they provide a 'printer friendly version' or a .pdf for download? If so, can you provide a link?

Peace.

"Prove My Vote Counts, Now" has much to say thanks for to Prof Solomon and the Baltimore Sun!!
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 10:10 PM
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16. Here is the remarkable article in its entirety!
Edited on Fri Nov-26-04 10:15 PM by IndyOp
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Validate the vote
An OpEd by Ian H. Solomon, Associate Dean of Yale Law School.
Copyright (c) 2004, The Baltimore Sun
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November 26, 2004

Most mainstream newspapers have already dismissed stories of voting fraud and voting rights violations in the November election as baseless or irrelevant. Sen. John Kerry's concession is supposed to demonstrate that there is no story here. Give up, go home, it's all over.

But it's not over.

The legitimacy of our democratic process is an issue more important than Mr. Kerry's future or the results of 2004. That legitimacy has been called into question repeatedly over the past few weeks, and doubts will linger as long as credible indications of error, negligence, disenfranchisement and fraud are not addressed.

We would like to believe that voting irregularities were identified and corrected, that participants fulfilled their duties appropriately, that the machines performed reliably and that the total discrepancy between voter intention and recorded results was less than the margin of victory in relevant contests.

But that conclusion must be reached on the basis of evidence, not blind faith. My own observations as a volunteer poll watcher in Florida do not give perfect confidence.

As many experts had warned, the electronic voting machines used across the country were vulnerable to glitches and possible tampering, including the over-recording of votes and the "disappearance" of valid votes.

We experienced a troubling number of memory card failures where I was based in Volusia County, for example, and we tried to minimize the disruption to voters even though data security was compromised. In Franklin County, Ohio, a machine error resulted in an extra 4,000 votes for President Bush. In Guilford County, N.C., a machine error cost Mr. Kerry 22,000 votes. Similar problems were experienced in Nebraska, Indiana and other states. These glitches that we know about have reportedly been fixed, though a re-vote is necessary in a different North Carolina county.

Disturbingly, several Web sites have demonstrated the ease of hacking into the AccuVote TS machines made by Diebold Election Systems, the company that for $2.6 million recently settled a lawsuit by California over voting machine problems. Another major manufacturer of electronic voting machines, Election Systems & Software, has also been subject to criticism for machine breakdowns and vulnerability. There is no evidence of fraud, but neither manufacturer has assuaged widespread concerns about inappropriate partisanship and unreliability.

There is also reason to question the competence of election officials in resolving registration and voting problems. Many voters were denied the opportunity to cast a regular ballot or to vote within a reasonable period of arriving at the polls.

At one heavily black precinct in Volusia County, for example, more than 10 percent of those turning out to vote were unable to cast a regular ballot. Many of these voters simply departed after waiting in line for several hours and then being told by poll workers that their provisional ballots "would not be counted." Knox County in Ohio reported voters waiting in line for over nine hours. In Warren County, Ohio, observers were barred from monitoring the vote-counting process.

How can we expect voters - especially young, disadvantaged or newly registered voters - to have faith in our voting system? How can we expect our allies to take seriously U.S. efforts to hold elections in Iraq and elsewhere? How can we be confident that the most fundamental principles of American democracy - one person, one vote; rule by the people; transparency in government - are not in jeopardy?

American legitimacy demands that the news media, the parties and all political leaders take seriously the challenges presented by the 2004 election: We need an audit of the election process, validation of the election results and corrective measures to ensure the legitimacy of future elections.

To begin with, that means supporting the audit efforts already under way. Recounts are expected in Ohio and New Hampshire, and election results may be contested in Florida, New Mexico and other states. Grass-roots organizations have requested voting data from precincts across the country, and scientists from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the University of California, Berkeley and other universities have begun to analyze surprising voting patterns.

This should be a priority for Congress, with vigilant participation by independent news organizations. The complete process - from registration through vote tallying, including all equipment and procedures - must be thoroughly and publicly assessed.

No reasonable argument can be offered against disclosure and accountability. We can afford whatever expense, inconvenience, distraction and possible embarrassment may be caused by an election audit and congressional investigation. What we cannot afford are unresolved doubts about the legitimacy of our democratic government.

Ian H. Solomon is associate dean of Yale Law School.

Copyright (c) 2004, The Baltimore Sun

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 10:48 PM
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17. I would call this a true "American Mandate"
Thank you.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 01:38 AM
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19. kick
kick
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 09:02 AM
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20. Kick(n/t)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-27-04 10:32 AM
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21. This is a new article from him. It sounds good, I didn't want to register
for the site, but he's the same one who questioned the machines when he was an observer in Florida. He said while he didn't observe anything in the polling place he wondered what was inside the machines. He said that he and other lawyers had perhaps given Kerry the wrong advice to concede. It was posted here on DU. I'm glad to see he's calling for more investigation and putting pressure on the media.

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