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TennisGuy2004 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:04 AM
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More Interesting Ohio Data... please read
If you compare the overall increase in voter turnout by county, you get some interesting figures. (These figures aren't certified yet...)

Hamilton County (Cincinatti) revealed an increase in overall votes of just 11% from 2000 to 2004. That's strange.

Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) showed an increase in overall votes of only 18% from 2000 to 2004. Odd.

Warren County, a Bush stronghold and the subject of the now infamous "lockout" showed an increase in overall votes of 36% from 2000 to 2004.

And Allen County, another Bush stronghold, which is run by Keith Cunningham, showed an increase in overall votes of... 135% from 2000 to 2004.

Do these numbers strike anyone else as odd?
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MrUnderhill Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:12 AM
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1. It IS what they claimed was happening
When all the news stories ran about how great a job we were doing registering new voters in Ohio, the Republicans claimed their operation was larger.... but less noticeable. Because they were concentrating on the exurbs and rural areas of the state where (they claimed) turnout had always been low because their races had rarely been in doubt (no point in showing up to get your guy a 78% win instead of 77%, I guess).

They claimed it wasn't showing up on the media "radar screen" because they were using local volunteers (instead of out-of-state consultants) and spending less effort on the big cities. They said their turnout in the rural counties was going to be FAR higher than it had ever been.

So they were either telling the "truth" and called it correctly.... OR they set us up for this well in advance.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:57 AM
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10. GOP Had 25% Registration Increase & Democrats Had 250%
So they were setting this up.
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MrUnderhill Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:27 PM
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28. That was never the case.
Those numbers were based on claims of a couple groups and comparison of a couple counties change in registration (not even by party).

There was not official number of Democrats and Republicans registered available at the time. The number wasn't "made up" entirely...but it was derived a little..."agressively".

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99Pancakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:58 AM
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11. They planned to cheat all along
That's why their BS "GOTV" lines were just that "lines". Of course it didn't register on the "radar".
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:09 AM
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2. RE: Keith Cunningham - Now he is trying to prevent a recount!!!
Third-Party Candidates Seek Ohio Recount - Associated Press
Keith Cunningham, director of the Allen County Board of Elections and incoming president of the Ohio Association of Election Officials, called the lawsuit "frivolous," adding that he might mobilize counties to resist a recount.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041123/ap...

Also, Keith Olbermann mentioned this on Monday:
In Ohio, the reality of the recount is beginning to sink in, and local governments arent happy about it. The Associated Press ran a story Monday afternoon in which its reporter quoted the incoming president of the Ohio Association of Election Officials, Keith Cunningham. The inference is that Ohio election officials will not count every vote, said the man who is currently head of the Board of Elections in Allen County (thats the Lima area, northwest of Columbus). Thats just insulting; its frivolous and simply harassment.

Advised of the recount push by the Green and Libertarian Parties, and their plan to sue to force a second tally even before Secretary of State Blackwell is scheduled to certify the first count, Cunningham said his statewide group might sue back to prevent a recount. I need to see if this is merely my opinion or reflects the opinion of the association.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240

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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 09:51 AM
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5. EMAIL KEITH your concerns: commissioners@allen countyohio.com
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 09:58 AM by Verve
Please put in your emails the suspect increase in voter turn out. This guy cannot get away with this.
WE'RE WATCHING!!!!!

Another post re: Keith Cunningham
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 02:28 PM
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13. Slay


Welcome to DU!

:toast:

I just noticed this also. I'd say a focus on Cunningham's precincts is definetely just what the fraud Dr. ordered. He's either just a monumentally arrogant prick or... running scared? What might a recount show in a County with numbers of that kind?

Whoops! Calling all number crunchers: we just found a crime scene.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:25 PM
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27. Thanks for the welcome BlueDog2u :) n/t
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tonyblair Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 09:53 PM
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26. Just had to pick up on the word
"harassment". Physician heal thyself.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 09:06 AM
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3. In Pennsylvania, turnout was anywhere from10 to 30% higher
But 30% was the exception, and 20% more the mean. Centre Co., Pa, (29% more for Kerry than Gore) home of Penn State, obviously benefited from an increased particiaption of the college community.

The Warren county number seems extremely unusual, maybe even improbable.

http://home.earthlink.net/~nashionale/id4.html
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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 09:24 AM
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4. Warren County had an increase of 35% but
The final split in percentages between Bush and Kerry was exactly the same as Bush Gore. Bush got 72% Kerry/Gore got 28%. It is not possible.
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:04 AM
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6. Allen Co +135%?- Doesn't look like it...
I don't see that data. This is what I found:

2000- 42,842 Total Votes
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/index.presiden...

2004- 47,643 Total votes
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/O...

That's an 11% increase. Throw in the handful of provisionals, and tt doesn't change much. Where's your data from?
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TennisGuy2004 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 07:28 PM
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19. Sorry folks, I made an error.
I made a mistake on the Allen data, I confused it with Ashland county. Sorry about that.

Well, at least I admit my mistakes, which is more than I can say for the Bush administration!

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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:36 PM
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24. Thanks TG
You are forgiven. Just don't do it again. B-)

Damn, you had me all excited, because Cunningham is being such a jerk about the recount, I thought you'd found the smoking gun....back to the drawing board.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:13 AM
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7. Most Peculiar
It does strike me as being quite strange as well -- especially with Cunningham having such a bitch fit about a recount. It makes him very suspect in my book. Would closer examination reveal more heinous acts on his part?
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:29 AM
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8. Amen
I'm always suspicious of anybody having problem with a lawful and democratic process, whatever it is. Theres only one reason to try block it and thats you're expecting something to be uncovered that you want hidden.

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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 10:45 AM
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9. Oh, boy. Time to examine other counties with unexpected bush turnout
If it happened in Ohio, it happened elsewhere. Calling all DU statisticians.

Looks like bush's "man-date" might end up dumping him :)
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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 11:17 AM
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12. KICK!
I'm looking at Union County numbers now.
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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 02:30 PM
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14. Where are you getting that number for Allen County?


I see lower in the thread that it has been questioned. Which number is correct?
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 02:34 PM
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15. Don't forget oddities like this one
Edited on Tue Nov-23-04 02:41 PM by pointsoflight
Third party candidates received less than one-half of one percent of the statewide vote total combined. Yet in Cuyahoga precinct 4-F, Peroutka received 215 votes to Bush's 21 and Kerry's 290. In this precinct, Kerry received 55% of the vote, whereas Gore received 91% of the vote in the year 2000.

Sure looks like a bunch of Kerry votes went to Peroutka.
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:19 PM
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16. They took extra voting machines to the "pro Bush counties" and
reduced the number of voting machines from the "pro kerry counties". The lines were "forever" long in the pro Kerry counties and many gave up to go back to work. I wish I had the link where I read this...but I do not. Sorry I tried to "google it up", but couldn't
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 03:23 PM
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17. Many details here....
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 04:58 PM
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18. Do these numbers strike anyone else as odd?
Yes, they do. And this whole mystical rural bush voter is odd, too. I assume that Ohio has stats on the numbers of new registrations, by part, they got, so no matter what bush that rural voter is hiding behind, he/she/it would have shown up in those stats prior to sneaking in and stealing the election. From what I've heard, Democrats registered more new voters than Republicans. I've yet to see the proof for this koolaid story that was on all the corporate television so soon after the election.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:00 PM
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20. Oppress the vote, they can't count either, quess they were wrong
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TennisGuy2004 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:14 PM
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21. I messed up the Allen County data (repeated)
Sorry guys, I mixed up Allen County with Ashland County.

Allen county showed only an 11% uptick in voters from 2000 to 2004.

Once again, I apologize.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:20 PM
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23. He got an email from me today with that 135% in it. Oh well! n/t
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shaggy briard Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 08:16 PM
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22. Let's get a grip
First, you need to measure the change in population from the last election -- Warren County grew 15%, Allen county shrank 1%, Cuyahoga shrank 2% and Hamilton County shrank 3%
Total presidential votes cast in
Warren +33%
Allen +9%
Cuyahoga +13%
Hamilton +9%
Only Warren in out of line and not by that much == Warren in screwy, in that it and Clermont are the only counties with population more than 150,000 to give more than 70% of vote to Bush
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TennisGuy2004 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-23-04 09:07 PM
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25. Oh.
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