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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:14 PM
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This should be enough to CONTEST the election in OHIO
One Ohio County (Cuhayoga) had 55,434 (at minimum) over votes. This is assuming 80% of voters actually voted (which isnt even likely).


Thanks to lawnorder at http://commongroundcommonsense.org
http://www.texasturkey.us/backup/Nov2/cuyahog.xls
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:18 PM
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1. Let me guess -- all the overvotes went to?? bush??
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:19 PM
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2. overvotes go to no one
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:24 PM
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7. with punchcards overvotes can be produced just by sticking a pin through
the Bush hole.

If they wre Bush votes to start, no harm. If Kerry votes then they become overvotes.

Send this info to:

Cliff Arnebeck, Ohio Honest Election Campaign
Address: Arnebeck Law Office
1351 King Ave. 1st floor
Columbus OH 43212
Email: Arnebeck@aol.com
Phone: 614-481-8416

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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:44 PM
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11. Wake up chimpanzee
he meant votes over, above and beyond registration totals. Read it again.
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:59 PM
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12. I knew that - just testing you!
:crazy:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:19 PM
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3. Man, someone obviously failed basic math. Too bad they let that guy
diddle the election numbers for the republicans. Didn't they have anyone that could count?
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:20 PM
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4. Do any of these numbers include provisional or absentee
I live in Canada and am not sure how you include these in the totals.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:22 PM
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5. I am not sure, but it wouldn't change that outcome at all
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 08:23 PM by jsamuel
There are not enough of either to make a difference if they weren't added (but would make it even worse) or if they were added (registered voters are registered voters).
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:23 PM
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6. Wait a second, hold on there

are you saying what I think you are ??

How in the world did this get so hosed up.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:39 PM
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8. Easy, I am beginning to see a pattern
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 08:53 PM by jsamuel
They would boost Bush's numbers in some precincts by adding 4000 votes or 8,000 votes to the final vote tally. If Bush won a precinct, they would throw a few thousand in for him. If he was loosing a precinct by a lot, they would just decrease the number of overall votes, thereby keeping the percentage for that area the same, but decreasing the overall vote gains made by Kerry. If areas were Bush and not small, they would still throw in the extra thousands of votes, but it would be less obvious to discover. So, it is fairly likely that every precinct where Bush won by over 60% got a few thousand extra votes for him out of nowhere.

Where they messed up was in very small areas where Bush won by over 70%, they still threw in the extra thousands of votes, causing those counties with 4000 and 8000 more votes than registered voters. This may be due to them using a method like (if Bush won by more than 300 votes, then add 4000 more for Bush), which would work fine in most precincts, but would cause the following problems in the smaller ones.

This would be seemlessly done on the tabulating computers for those areas. Either by a script on that computer, or someone hitting the modem and changing the totals. Or both.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:42 PM
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9. uh
can obvious can this be? as long as these numbers are correct, shouldn't this be forwarded to someone who can do something about it, or point it in the right direction? if you look at the chart (as long as i'm looking at it right) that's an extra 20,000 ballots cast? wtf?
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:02 PM
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10. I sent it to K O and BBV and some other news people, as well as vri
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 12:30 AM
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13. this was debunked, absentee votes added to the summary totals
in the release of the unofficial results, the county lumped in the absentee vote totals into some of the village and city totals.

Granted at first blush it looks bad, but I downloaded the canvass report and reconciled the vote totals myself.

However, I did post an extensive post the other day about the over 25 precints with very low voters, like 8 or 21 so there are irregularities that deserve investigation
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