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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:28 AM
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2000 FL: Double-punched/butterfly; 2002 GA: Diebold; 2004 FL: Optiscam
Edited on Sat Nov-20-04 10:30 AM by TruthIsAll
2000 FL: Double-punched/butterfly; 2002 GA: Diebold; 2004 FL: Optiscam

SCAM 2000:
Exit Polls said Gore won
Thousands disenfranchised
Recount Aborted.
SCOTUS.
Gore won by 537,000 votes (official; he actually won by much more)
Surprise, surprise
Where is the media?

Fooled the Dems the FIRST time

SCAM 2002: The Senate
Final polls said Dems would win the senate.
Cleland et al far ahead in final polls.
Final weekend before election: "patch" of 2000 Diebold machines
Lasty minute VNS decision: No Exit polls.
Surprise, surprise
Where is the media?

Fooled the Dems a SECOND time

2004:
Repubs fight paper-ballot for BBV. They win.
Massive Democratic Registration.
United Democratic party.
Bush Approval 48%
Zogby, Harris, ARG, The Economist et al had Kerry leading in the final polls.
Bush Final 18-national polls average: 47%
Exit Polls said Kerry won.
Voter Intimidation.
Long lines at the polls.
Volusia
Palm Beach
Broward
Cuyahoga

Where is the media?

Fooled the Dems a THIRD time.

etc etc etc

Enough is enough.




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Okieprogie Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:31 AM
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1. Optiscam
Pardon my ignorance, but what is the optiscan? Here in OK we have optical scanners that count the ballots, but the paper ballots still exist if a re-count is needed. This seems like the way to go - you get the benefit of quick-counting, but the paper trail is still there. I can't fathom the Dieblod thing. Even if there was no fraud, there would still be technical glitches.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:40 AM
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2. Okay I'm no techie. . .
but my understanding is that even though the optical scanners generate paper, the paper is not examined unless the disparity of the votes is narrow enough to warrant it.

Oh,

And the same insecure and vulnerable software that is used with the touchscreen machines is used to tabulate the optical scanners. If there is fraud and given the disparity between exit polls and votes, there more than likely is, it lies with the tabulation software. That's the data that Bev's desparately trying to unearth from various unsundry waste recepticles around the nation.

Bless her

http://blackboxvoting.org
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Okieprogie Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 10:42 AM
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3. I get it - thanks.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:02 AM
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7. Recounts are HARD to get
In 2000 they refused to let people see scanned cards and just reran them trough again. Bush trusted THOSE machines, distrusted others, as he wished every time so it was. Even though the readings were different because more chads were wearing off they still resisted. State by state is still a hodge podge of whether you can even recount what is there. In Georgia a questionable county was challenged and no recount was allowed by the GOP.

If they dare and they run the margin up and the state is controlled by them so much for your paper trail. Probably can kiss your FOIA goodbye as that too is resisted on the grounds of "hardship", etc. etc.

Don't expect even the clearest HAVA language to cure any of that where it counts(or doesn't).
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 07:41 PM
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4. Horror show in three acts.
And the suckers keep coming back for more.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 07:49 PM
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5. Aw Shucks, we lost again. I know, let's forget about all this BBV...
nonsense and spend the next four years working our hearts out to elect a candidate even closer to Bush. Third time lucky....

/sarcasm way off
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 09:49 AM
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6. Kick
:kick:
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 10:07 AM
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8. You're absolutely right, TruthIsAll.
Edited on Sun Nov-21-04 10:27 AM by No Surrender
How many more times will the Dems get fooled before they figure it out? :-(

On edit - I'm starting to believe that the issue of stolen votes won't be taken seriously until votes are stolen from the gop. I'm not advocating hacking, but believe it's just a matter of time until someone attempts to hack in favor of a non-gop candidate.
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