Caltech/ MIT Voter project in bed w/ Bush and extreme right wingers?

[AnIndependentTexan]

6 MILLION VOTES LOST in 2000 ?!?!?

Did you see anything on the media about a Caltech study showing 6 MILLION VOTES LOST in 2000 ?!?!?!

Who is this Caltech / MIT Voting group who did this study in 2000?

On 2000 they were about cacthing voter fraud... On 2004 they are about COVER -UP:
MSNBC -Rolled up papers at fifty places (Keith Olbermann)
SECAUCUS-- You know it's bad when the two sides start throwing professors at one another.

Two conflicting scholarly studies on the variance between the national exit polling and the presidential election results, are flying across the Internet.. One, from the University of Pennsylvania.. suggests the actual statistical odds that the exit polling was that wrong in the battleground states were 250,000,000 to one.

The other, from a voting project managed by CalTech and MIT, says that .. on a state-by-state basis,

A fellow Kossack had noticed the Cal Tech study was "weird" and started googling for relationships between Cal Tech and Bushies. He found out that Caltech is involved with ES & S and the extreme right wing !!!

And in their 2004 report they FORGOT their own 2000 report on voter fraud... Gee, I wonder why...

At Kos
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/18/45344/380

[AnIndependentTexan]

1. another interesting read on it at dailykos.com

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/20/31740/820

A November 11 2004 Cal Tech / MIT report says that there's THERE IS NO INDICATION OF FRAUD. The study is being used by GOP as a counter to Berkeley's study who found significant "smoke alarms" on the FL voting patterns indicating touch screens could have cost Kerry as much as 160,000 votes.

As Keith Olbermann puts it nicely, It's Berkeley vs Caltech. Yet while Berkeley's study is signed and being promoted by Berkeley in PR Newswire, the Cal Tech study is anonymous and contradicts previous studies done by the same group such as this one:
Up to 6 million votes lost in 2000

PASADENA, Calif.- Though over 100 million Americans went to the polls on election day 2000, as many as 6 million might just have well have spent the day fishing. Researchers at Caltech and MIT call these "lost votes" and think the number of uncounted votes could easily be cut by more than half in the 2004 election with just three simple reforms.

"It is remarkable that we in America put up with a system where as many as six out of every hundred voters are unable to get their vote counted. Twenty-first-century technology should be able to do much better than this," Baltimore said.

According to the comprehensive Caltech-MIT study, faulty and outdated voting technology together with registration problems were largely to blame for many of the 4-to-6 million votes lost during the 2000 election.

With respect to the votes that simply weren't counted, the researchers found that punch-card methods and some direct recording electronic (DRE) voting machines were especially prone to error. Lever machines, optically scanned, and hand-counted paper ballots were somewhat less likely to result in spoiled or "residual" votes. Optical scanning, moreover, was better than lever machines

[ebayfool]

4. and a little more! {{{AnIndependentTexan}}}

link for previous studies done by the same group such as this one:
Up to 6 million votes lost in 2000

http://www.vote.caltech.edu/Media/2001-Jul-16.html


link for connections with right wing institutes such as Hoover, Olin and Scaife

DailyKOS by dennisv
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/19/44333/049

[BREMPRO]

10. the CalTECh-MIT study is poorly written, and very suspect

its obviously a RW whitewash under the names of institution that previously had scientific crediblity- ANONOMOUS? what happenend to peer review? we should hold these institution accountable for biased faith-based "science" that they have endorsed with their stamp of approval. BOYCOTT ROBOTS AND SPACE TRAVEL!!!

[Stand and Fight]

2. Be Wary

Seems we have to be very weary of a lot of things in our society. I mean, when you think about it, so many schools and companies are sponsored by the government and corporations. There is little doubt in my mind that the possibility is all too likely that Caltech and MIT could very well be in bed with the nefarious idiot.

[TennisGuy2004]

3. Your link is not working.

Got another one? Cut and paste the whole article?

[KoKo]

5. Check this out! Charles Guest (head of MIT) and listed on the Voting

Project. I did some Googling on this last week, and this is what I found about Charles Guest and the Cal Tech/MIT join venture on the "Voting Technology Project." I Googled all the names but Charles Guest was the one that makes the whole project seem questionable.

Here:

Charles M. Vest
President
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Charles M. Vest has been president of MIT since 1990. During this time he has placed special emphasis on enhancing undergraduate education, exploring new organizational forms to meet emerging directions in research and education, building a stronger international dimension into education and research programs, developing stronger relations with industry, and enhancing racial and cultural diversity at MIT. He also has devoted considerable energy to bringing issues concerning education and research to broader public attention and to strengthening national policy on science, engineering and education.

In this latter capacity, Vest chaired the President's Advisory Committee on the Redesign of the Space Station and has served as a member of the President's Committee of Advisors on Science and Technology (PCAST), the Massachusetts Governor's Council on Economic Growth and Technology, and the National Research Council Board on Engineering Education. He chairs the U.S. Department of Energy Task Force on the Future of Science Programs and is vice chair of the Council on Competitiveness and immediate past chair of the Association of American Universities (AAU). He sits on the board of directors of both IBM and E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Co. In February 2004, he was asked by President Bush to serve as a member of the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Vest was born in Morgantown, W.Va., on Sept. 9, 1941. He earned his B.S. degree in mechanical engineering from West Virginia University in 1963 and both his M.S. and Ph.D. degrees from the University of Michigan in 1964 and 1967, respectively.

As a member of the mechanical engineering faculty at MIT, Vest has research interests in the thermal sciences and the engineering applications of lasers and coherent optics.

Their daughter, Kemper, is a defense analyst who lives in Arlington, Va., with her husband John Gay and their two children. Their son John is a fellow in cardiology at the New York Presbyterian Hospital. He and his wife Christina live in New York City.

Link to Cal Tech/MIT Voting Project. Vest is now head of MIT....
http://www.vote.caltech.edu/

THE LIST OF PARTICIPANTS IN THE "VOTING TECHNOLOGY PROJECT" from the above Wesite. Note Charles Vest at top of MIT list:


MIT
Charles Vest
Ted Selker
Stephen Ansolabehere
Adam Berinsky
Srini Devadas
Stephen Graves
Ronald Rivest
Charles Stewar


Caltech

David Baltimore
R. Michael Alvarez
Jehoshua Bruck
Jonathan N. Katz
D. Roderick Kiewiet

[Eloriel]

6. Koko -- link please?

[KoKo]

7. Link to Voting Project is in the post....is that what you mean....Here it

is again. http://www.vote.caltech.edu /

Let me check...I may have forgotten to include info on Guest....

[KoKo]

8. Got the link to his Bio...and some more "stuff" Here:

http://web.mit.edu/president/communications/profile.html

And, here some more interesting stuff......

Person Tearsheet
... Home > Business > Charles M Vest, Charles M Vest Director at International Business Machine n/a TECHNOLOGY / COMPUTER HARDWARE Director since 1994, Market Guide ...
www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/personinfo/ FromPersonIdPersonTearsheet.jhtml?passedPersonId=221786 - 91k - Cached - Similar pages

DuPont.com: Charles M. Vest
... Charles M. Vest President, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Charles M. Vest Click to Download. A director since 1993, Mr. Vest ...
www.dupont.com/corp/overview/directors/vest.html - 19k - Cached - Similar pages
Remarks by Charles M. Vest... Charles M. Vest President, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Symposium: The Future of the University, Industry and Government Research Partnership. ...
www.aau.edu/aau/Vest.html - 7k - Cached - Similar pages

[AnIndependentTexan]

12. interesting

[KoKo]

9. Maybe....just a little bit of a "smoking gun" there??

:D.....

[KoKo]

11. Some more on Vest....but not relating to the Voting Project...interesting

MIT joins the cover-up

A committee called Phase One Engineering Team (POET) was appointed by a special agent hired by the US Department of Justice to examine the 1997 TRW test results. Two researchers from the MIT Lincoln Laboratory played major roles, with one of them appointed as the chairman of this committee.

Their report exonerated TRW from the accusation previously leveled by Schwartz that TRW, with the Pentagon’s collusion, faked the test results. Uncritically basing its conclusions upon the manipulated test data provided by TRW, instead of demanding and utilizing raw data from the tests, the report claimed that discrimination algorithms “are well designed and work properly.”

Professor Postol conducted his own analysis of the 1997 TRW test and found the conclusions drawn by the POET team utterly unwarranted. Suspecting scientific fraud, he wrote to MIT President Charles Vest to initiate an inquiry into the conclusions of the POET report.

When Postol’s letter elicited no action, even after nine months, he then lodged a formal complaint against Vest in January 2002. He appealed to the chairman of MIT Corporation, Alexander V. D’Arbeloff, charging that Vest had failed to take any action to investigate “a serious case of scientific fraud that has taken place under his oversight of the MIT Administration.”

Initially, the MIT administration claimed the report issued by POET belonged to the government and the university had no obligation to investigate its accuracy. However, because of media publicity given to Postol’s charges, MIT was forced to open an inquiry. The university appointed Dr. Edward F. Crawley, head of the department of Aeronautics and Astronautics, to look into these charges. After several months of deliberation, Dr. Crawley recommended a formal investigation in December 2002. The MIT administration is yet to publicly comment on what it will do to implement this recommendation.

w.wsws.org/articles/2003/mar2003/nmd-m14.shtml+Charles+Vest+joins+board&hl=en