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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:19 PM
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American Workers Strike for Stolen Election

We will give overselves some time to reflect on this stolen election and put less money into their pockets as well .... Also an added benefit is the Media will have to pick up the news concerning our union strike of civil disobedience for the stolen election.

What do you think about it, please get back to me, we must begin to organize it and take this action.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:22 PM
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1. sorry - unemployed ...n/t
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:22 PM
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2. We have to how can I help? I think we need a GENERAL STRIKE
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scurvy_n_disastrous Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:27 PM
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4. GENERAL STRIKE
Demand a recount! Fla, OH, NC, NM, IA, etc... at the very least.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 06:50 PM
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19. Hi scurvy_n_disastrous!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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SaintAnne Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:24 PM
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3. un sure
I don't know. I'm a doubter. it's still not clear if the election was "stolen"
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:30 PM
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5. I believe it was stolen -but
we should wait until we have some more proof, like bev's stuff and the recounts then more people will listen and be willing to participate. If we do strike it should be a general strike -I think.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:44 PM
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11. SaintA you hav not been paying attention IT was stolen
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:32 PM
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6. Wake Up American !!!

Do you think for one moment that Bev Harris is running around out there because she thinks we just had ourselves a fair election ??

I am sorry to hear about the unemployed situation.

It is for the working class that we must do this, this is about all of us, all backgrounds, all colors, any gender, it is about all of us. We are the working class of American. We are the people who are being walked all over, it is time for our voices to be heard. The dollar is taking huge hits against it because of what is happening in this election and in this country. That is our money going down the drain. If we are not heard now we can not expect to be heard later, now is the time to take action before it is to late. Please suggestions on how to move forward with this civil action.
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Blue in the face Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:37 PM
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7. Not enough care to make a difference
If we are going to do something that grabs people's attentions, we have to make sure it's big. Not many outside this board give a shit, unfortunately.

I'm saying this and I would love a march or a strike or some form of civil disobediance. But unfortunately, we need to get proof before the rest of the country will listen to us.
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JD Lau Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:39 PM
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8. I think I'd look into class action suits...the format,
how you can get one going, what the reasons have to be,
who has to be involved in putting it together. I think that that
would be the best bet. You'd need to contact an attorney, I'd
think, to find out the legalities(because you would HAVE to
get the thing airtight so as to no ''throwouts") first, then see
what you have to do from there. Get a listing of all the people
that want to be included and have the suit be against whomever.
The United States Government...(might be a little broad)...you'd have to define who you wanted to suit against...


Anyway, that's how I'd go about it.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:42 PM
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9. Good idea
I think this is a good basic idea but needs to be played with a bit. How about a strike to assure that all votes are counted and that all votes count? I guess I want a slogan that does not presume fraud or theft but that instead emphasizes the anomalies that should be investigated to protect the integrity of the electoral process.
If there seems to be a consensus that this should be done, then we should start writing to labor organizations.


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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:44 PM
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10. To Begin Now is to be Prepared

The planning of such a huge event needs to bring with it the seeds of thought from others such as myself who believe that they are not being provided with the best Democracy has to give us. We must organize and plan so that we are successful and remember we are adding up the stolen elections, 2000, 2002, 2004 is happening as we speak.

Also, it will help so many who are concerned with the election problems, to give them strength to carry on thru these times to be able to focus on a civil action such as this event. If all goes wrong, if all is lost to us in the weeks to come we will have already prepared to demostrate our distaste of these unfair practices while supporting those of our country who were harmed the most, who faced the frustrations of voting similiar to the woman who lost her husband while waiting 4 hours to vote. She deserves this type of action, all those who were faced with similiar struggles to vote need this civil disobedience. We all need this to prove to ourselves that we hold the reins of this country not those who would spoil our Democracy for us.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:48 PM
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12. WE need a GENERAL STRIKE TO DEMAND fair vote and vote counting
The Fair election petition:
In the interests of fair elections we demand the following standards be instituted immediately for all electronic Ballot boxes and vote counting machines.

All programming instructions shall be written in open source code. That code shall at all times be available for public inspection and pass independent third party certification for accuracy and reliability. After that certification the code and all hardware shall be secured no changes shall be allowed to the code or the hardware after certification.
The vote shall only be counted after a voter verified paper record of the vote has been created and retained.

All vote records and counts shall be transferred by verifiable physical means. Any CD DVD TAPE or other transfer medium shall be labeled with the counts and a date time stamp. All records and counts shall be reviewed and verified for validity and accuracy.

No modems internet connections or telephone connections will be allowed at any stage of the vote counting process.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:52 PM
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13. Great Suggestions, thank you all for responsing

I know we together can make this happen, there is power in our numbers, even John Kerry in his email message state that together anything is possible. This is what we are about, we are about caring for each other, these are our values, our ethics, to stand up for another will be our greatest gift to our Democracy.

Keep those ideals coming and get everyone who is interested envolved, we can and will make this happen TOGETHER !!!!!!!
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oscar111 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 05:27 PM
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16. total proof not needed:cops block vote locations:bipartisns lockd fm count
Edited on Fri Nov-19-04 06:22 PM by oscar111
If you just read some cases of vote suppresion, you will have enough proof for average Joe Citizen to support you in going for some justice in this stolen election.

You have now the level of proof needed. If you have what will outrage Joe Citizen, you have all you need IMHO. You do not need to wait for total airtight smoking gun level of proof. That may never come.

ELECTORAL COLLEGE MEETS DEC 13
Legal injunction might be able to delay that .. or later, force the EC to reconvene and revote. Seems to me it would be better to try to achieve whatever results you aim for, before dec. 13. Some say votes were still being counted Jan 6 in 2OOO, tho i am not sure that is true.

CASES----
eg., FL,.. cops roadblocked access to polling stations. FL.. state police visited elderly blacks active in get out the vote work, asking them about some terrorist. Such visits are usually chilling.
OH... Officials locked both reporters and party representatives out of the room where votes were to be counted.

SOLARBUS CASES------
http://www.Solarbus.org/stealyourelection or similar url, has excellent daily organized news items on cases to read. Outrageous cases.

LEVELS OF PROOF DESCRIBED
Example:You say, "A plane from Burma crashed today in Tibet".
---Skeptic answers, "Do you REALLY know that? I want a higher level of proof than the tv news." You say, " Puff, puff, i just came back from Tibet and i saw the wreckage from the wheat fields, looking up the mountain at the wreck on the top".
====Skeptic says, " Do you REALLY know it was a plane wreck you saw? Might have been a helicopter wreck from WW2." Later, you say " Puff, i just got back again from Tibet and I climbed the mountain and felt the wreck with my fingers... hot metal, fresh plane wreck." -----Skeptic says, " Do you REALLY know it was flight 13 from Burma? Might have been some other plane yesterday." //// So you see, there are levels of proof.
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CASES, to convince Joe Citizen...{brutally shortened for this post.. full list is at SOLARBUS page, down at "summaries".. i think it is the second one.}-------------
newspaper links may expire soon. You may want to print out the stories so that later on, you don't have to buy them from the newspapers' archives.)
FLORIDA--most of the state, new electronic voting machines were in use. These machines - many manufactured by a company called Diebold - don't leave a paper trail.
There is no way to double-check the results. /////You can read about electronic voting machines - an untested phenomenon in American elections, here:
http://wwwmoderateindependent.com/v2i21thoreau.htm
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OH---Meanwhile, in Warren County, election officials locked the doors to the County building and refused to allow bi-partisan observers to watch the vote-count. They also denied access to the AP reporter (it is standard procedure for the AP to observe vote-counting in counties all over the country.)
/////The Sheriff of the county said he did it for "homeland security" reasons. He never explained or specified what the security concerns were.
Here is the link to the story in the Cincinnati Enquirer: http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/11/05/loc_warrenvote05.html ------------Meanwhile, in Mahoning and Mercer Counties, electronic machines again malfunctioned, but the effect that had on the vote count is not clear. The machines had to be re-set, and at one point showed votes of "negative 25 million," according to the head of the local board of elections.
Here is the story from the local Youngstown paper, called the Vindicator:
http://wwwvindy.com/basic/news/281829446390855.php
SIX STATES
In Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, New Hampshire and New Mexico, there was a large discrepancy between exit polls, and the final results .
In each of those six states, electronic voting machines were used in some or most of the counties.
In contrast, in states where paper ballots were the primary method of voting, there was little or no discrepancy between exit polls and official results.
To see an easily viewable graph of this data, go to: http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/todays_show.html You can see their original posting here: http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=388
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======MORE ON EXIT POLLS
These are routinely conducted by major news organizations.
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Accounts are surfacing that both the Associated Press and CNN (and perhaps others) later CHANGED their exit polling data to more closely resemble the official results.
None of the news organizations is believed to have offered an explanation. They may try to justify it on statistical grounds. Here are two accounts. The first is very brief, the second is in- depth: http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/04/11/ana04025.html http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KEE411A.html
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MORE ON ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES
THE LETTER FROM KERRY WORKERS IN BROWARD COUNTY, FLA.://////We had calls about a road block, put up by the police at 7am on Nov. 2, which blocked road access to two precinct locations in majority black districts. There was no justification for the road block no accident or crime scene or construction.
///////Many of our calls dealt with voter suppression, of the Haitian population.
We spoke with hundreds of voters who were certain they had registered to vote but were not on the rolls.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 04:54 PM
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14. Unemployed... and mom's a hospital worker.
Um... I'll donate?
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 05:08 PM
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15. You are the reason why we must do this, you and your mom,

Our voices joined together will raise about all this unpleasantness, we will be heard not because we are loud but because there are to many of us to ignore, we will follow in the foot steps of those who came before us, Martin Luther King, Jr, Thomas Jefferson, so many names may be mentioned. We march in their example for those who need to feel they live in a free country, that they should be free to vote, to work, to live, to look into their loved ones eyes and say, yes honey this is the great land of plenty for all, this is American and her promises to us have been kept.

We strike/march because we must or we may never see the light of day again. Freedom must mean this much to us that we defend her for everyone, we are reaching for the prize. A prize which has been placed in front of us but only just so close that we can see it but not to touch it. Today we begin to follow a new path one which points to this prize, the prize of freedom from want, from frustration, from stolen elections which steal our hearts with it. Never did I know how ready I am for this day, I am prepared to carry this torch for freedom with your help, I only ask that you join me in it with your voices if that is all you have to give, the rest of us will take strength from the knowledge that you are with us.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 06:28 PM
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17. Well, thanks! Powerful stuff.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-19-04 06:50 PM
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18. Kicking it into high geer !
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