93,000 Extra Votes In Cuyahoga County - Outrage In Ohio

[Clinton Crusader]

http://www.rense.com/general59/93000extravotes.htm

By Teed Rockwell
Philosophy Department, Sonoma State University
11-12-04
http://www.rise4news.net/extravotes.html
Smoking Gun

You may have seen the associated press story about the precinct in Cuyahoga county that had less than 1,000 voters, and gave Bush almost 4,000 extra votes.

But that turns out to be only the tip of a very ugly iceberg. The evidence discovered by some remarkably careful sleuthing would convince any reasonable court to invalidate the entire Ohio election.

In last Tuesday's election, 29 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, reported votes cast IN EXCESS of the number of registered voters - at least 93,136 extra votes total. And the numbers are right there on the official Cuyahoga County Board of Elections website:
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http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us//BOE/results/currentresults1.htm#top
..is the official website of the Cuyahoga county election board, providing irrefutable evidence that the vote was off by at least 93,000. Kerry lost Ohio by approximately 130,000, so this is not an insignificant figure that can be ignored, particularly when there are numerous other indications of voter fraud in Ohio and elsewhere.

[TexasChick]

1. Disgusting, isn't it? I feel like we are all looking at a bad train wreck

about to happen in slow motion and are helpless to stop it!

[juajen]

2. Somewhere I read

that an explanation for the overvotes would be the county's dividing provisional and absentee ballots among different precincts. Wierd explanation. You still shouldn't have more votes than people registered. Anyone else hear this weak explanation and what's your opinion of it?

[Clinton Crusader]

3. hmmmmmmm.

Still dont see why you would have more votes than registered voters.

:shrug:

[Iceburg]

23. Provisional Votes is the only case ... but in most states

they are not counted until later (IF EVER)

[TexasChick]

4. Yes, I heard that explanation before. But, the problem was at the time of

those extra 93,000 votes were counted as absentee ballots was the fact that the absentee ballots were not counted yet in Ohio. At least, that's the way I remember it.

[Iceburg]

22. Clearly in some counties of OHIO some or all of the absentee

votes have been counted and rolled up into the state figures.

Example: Frankin County
http://www.franklincountyohio.gov/boe/04UnofficialResults/Unofficial%20Abstract%20of%20Votes%20General%202004.pdf

page 34

ABSENTEE 1 Bush (10158) Kerry (10025)
ABSENTEE 2 Bush (10159) Kerry (10025)

What is not clear from their website is:
1. Does the absentee count include both foreign & domestic votes
2. Are there more absentee ballots to come?
3. Why are they divided into 2 distinct batches with
coincidentlly almost identical ballots cast for
Bush & Kerry respectively

Make no mistake .. the obvious obfuscation in election results across the state is BY DESIGN

[Carolab]

9. It's a bogus explanation

Provisionals would still count as "signatures" (people would have had to sign in regardless of whether or not their provisionals were counted).

Absentees, even if separated, but would still be registered as a total number (they know how many were sent out, AND these are registered voters).

Adding signatures to absentee ballots/military ballots, you would still not have MORE votes than voters. IMPOSSIBLE.

[mdb]

5. I thought this was the reasoning for the 93,000

The computer lumps absentee ballot counts from several voting precincts together and assigns them to one precinct, making it look like there were more votes there than voters. But in fact, Bartlett says, if you look at votes versus registered voters for the county as a whole, the numbers do add up.

http://www.howestreet.com/story.php?ArticleId=765

[dflprincess]

10. I keep wondering about that explanation

I know in Minnesota absentee ballots are delivered to the precinct the absentee voter lives in on election day. They have to be because even within a county or city the state (house or senate) or local candidates the person is voting for in their precinct may not be the same ones on the ballots in another part of the county or even the city because the legislative districts may be different.

[Sammi]

6. Un-Official Vote Count from Cuyohoga County Website above

Cuyahoga County

Registered voters 1005807
Ballots cast 665334


With 1458 of 1458 precincts counted)

MICHAEL BADNARIK/RICHARD V. CAMPAGNA 1828 0.28%

GEORGE W. BUSH/DICK CHENEY 215624 33.05%

JOHN F. KERRY/JOHN EDWARDS 433262 66.41%

CANDIDATE DISQUALIFIED 0 0.00%

MICHAEL A. PEROUTKA/CHUCK BALDWIN 1667 0.26%

Total votes 652381

discrepancy 12953 (Who was the disqualified candidate? Were these write in votes for him/her?)
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Percent low turnout

VOTER TURNOUT HOUSE DIST 08 . . . . 67.02
VOTER TURNOUT HOUSE DIST 09 . . . . 64.29
VOTER TURNOUT HOUSE DIST 10 . . . . 51.50
VOTER TURNOUT HOUSE DIST 11 . . . . 53.83
VOTER TURNOUT HOUSE DIST 12 . . . . 66.69
VOTER TURNOUT HOUSE DIST 13 . . . . 58.54
VOTER TURNOUT HOUSE DIST 14 . . . . 66.78
VoteR TURNOUT HOUSE DIST 15 . . . . 73.18
VOTER TURNOUT HOUSE DIST 16 . . . . 72.02
VOTER TURNOUT HOUSE DIST 17 . . . . 75.78
VOTER TURNOUT HOUSE DIST 18 . . . . 71.58
VOTER TURNOUT HOUSE DIST 98 . . . . 72.27

[Toucano]

7. Nader was the disqualified candidate. n/t

[Dancing_Dave]

8. Invalidate the Entire Ohio Election!!!

Now that's what really needs to be done....a recount will NOT solve this problem.

But what court can invalidate the entire Ohio election?

[AJH032]

11. I think the only court that can do that...

is the Ohio Supreme Court.

[Verve]

21. I read here somewhere that if you invalidate Ohio. * still wins somehow.

Did anyone else remember reading this?

[masshole1979]

12. Several other threads on DU...

...have already talked about debunking the 93,136 extra Cuyahoga votes based on the counting of counties rather than precincts, and that the counties do add up...wish I could find the threads. Any veterans know how to find the threads? Can't seem to find the search function...

This story was one of the earliest to circulate, but, like the extra votes in Palm County, was mostly explained away.

But, as I remember, the details of the debunking were a little suspicious--why is Ohio using such funny counting that it can't make the number jibe at the precinct level, only the county level?

[Carolab]

17. You have to examine the PRECINCTS

AND the breakdown of votes in each.

You have to know: the number of registered voters, the number of signatures, the number of absentee ballots, and the number of military ballots.

It would be useful to know the number of provisional ballots as well, because they would have to correlate with the number of signatures. If you have more provisional ballots than registered voters, in the FINAL tallies, this would be invalid--as valid (counted) provisionals are, by definition, registered voters.

[mdb]

13. Nader was to be taken entirely off the ballots in Ohio.

Now if these 12,953 votes were for Nader would there be some legal questions about this if Nader was left on the ballot? I don't know, but do know it is all part of Blackwell's suppressing the vote strategy.

If this were write-ins I don't think there would be that many.

[Technowitch]

14. Is there any doubt the bastards stole another election?

Really, does anybody truly think anymore that Kerry actually LOST?

[Catherine Vincent]

15. Yeah, Dumbass republicans.

[mdb]

16. I do think if this is not taken care of, there will be a war of...

who can suppress and disenfranchise the most votes in future elections. And this coming from both sides.

[chomskysright]

18. I'm confused: help

OK: from the BOE for this county

PRESIDENT AND VICE-PRESIDENT
Vote for 1 (With 1458 of 1458 precincts counted)
MICHAEL BADNARIK/RICHARD V. CAMPAGNA 1828 0.28%

GEORGE W. BUSH/DICK CHENEY 215624 33.05%

JOHN F. KERRY/JOHN EDWARDS 433262 66.41%

CANDIDATE DISQUALIFIED 0 0.00%

MICHAEL A. PEROUTKA/CHUCK BALDWIN 1667 0.26%

ALL THE VOTES FOR PRESIDENT TOTAL 652381


1005807 = ALL REGISTERED VOTERS

ALL THE PRECINCTS ARE IN


WHY IS THERE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE REGISTERED VOTERS AND PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR PRESIDENT OF: 353426??

i'M GONNA GO FIND THE SONOMA GUY...ANY IDEASX?

[email protected] thanks

[ParanoidPat]

19. Because not all registered voters actually voted........

......."registered voters" is not "turnout". :evilgrin:

[liam97]

20. Is this a current story?

I thought this was accounted for by some phony explanation immediately after the election/