30,000 Rally to protest vote fraud

[Bread and Circus]

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/11/09/016.html

Tuesday, November 9, 2004. Page 12.

30,000 Rally in Kiev to Protest Vote Fraud

KIEV -- Tens of thousands of supporters of Ukrainian presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko filled Kiev's main square Saturday as part of protests planned nationwide against alleged election fraud....

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Sorry about the false headline folks, but it is kind of
embarrassing that Americans (as many here believe) have
been ripped off bigtime, yet no large-scale physical protest
seems planned here.

Even in Ukraine, people are getting out in the streets
for what they believe to be fraud. I don't know what the
situation over there is but it is immaterial. Warranted
or not, people in Kiev were out in streets in throngs.

Why can't we get at least something together to resemble that sort
of a mass?

Is Democracy in America that dead?

Vote tallying fraud and exit poll tampering aside, there is
well known disenfranchisement, voter suppression, racist
circle filing of ballots that no one disputes happened. And no one
is out in the streets outraged.

Are we all that complacent?

I am not really one to talk because I've done less about this
than a lot of you and frankly I mostly feel like burying
my head in the sand. However, I am so upset and discouraged
that I just want to rage against what appears to be unjustice.
However, it seems like even if Americans knew they had been
had, they just wouldn't care. As long as they have their
"bread and circus" (note my new moniker), everything is
"just fine".

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sigh

[wlubin]

1. We are all hopfull that the recounts will fix things up. If it does not I

am sure there will be protests.

[WI_DEM]

2. that's because most people don't know that there has been fraud

the mainstream media doesn't say it. It isn't the story it was in 2000, partly becuz the popular vote favors Bush by over three million, rather than favoring Kerry as it did Gore in 2000.

[Indiana_Dem]

3. People don't usually rally until they have nothing left to lose.

Right now, people are too caught up in their material-driven consumer world to make a move. They have a false sense that they have something to lose right now if they act too radically. Once that is taken away, which could be within this next 4 years, people will be more apt to take action.

[Demit]

4. You admit you haven't done much but you bemoan other people not

taking to the streets? Do irony much?

[Bread and Circus]

7. I am not insulting anyone one but rather just despairing in general....

and in myself as well. I guess I see the complacency everywhere,
even in the mirror. I wouldn't call it ironic, but rather sad
and frustrating.

[Demit]

9. As in everything, it starts with oneself. So do something.

[Roger_Otip]

5. interesting similarity: exit poll put challenger ahead

"An exit poll conducted by the Kiev International Institute for Sociology and the Razumkov Center for Political and Economic Research gave Yushchenko (challenger) a comfortable lead over Yanukovych (incumbent), with a 45-37 percent margin, the Unian news agency said."
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/10/31/ukraine.elections.ap/

[Hobbes199]

8. 20:1 They're on Diebold machines

[milkyway]

6. Good point. The corporate media has done their job very well. The public

has been properly sedated.