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AimeeMM Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:16 PM
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Bev Harris in Volusia County Florida right now...
She was in a 2hr meeting with the Supervisor of Elections this morning along with members of a new group, the Florida Fair Elections Coalition.

After the meeting, our founder came back to the office with bags of trash from the SOE because they found tapes from the op-scan machines thrown away that do not match the posted election results. Take a wild guess at who's favor the *extra* votes were in?

They went back to another meeting to show what was found. I'll post more when I know more. If you haven't already, please check out www.blackboxvoting.org and donate if you can. Bev is fantastic!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:17 PM
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1. Thanks for the word!
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:18 PM
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2. There's gotta be
some kind of official recognition or award we can nominate Bev for....she's tireless and dedicated.

Here's to you Bev :toast:
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:24 PM
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Like the Nobel Peace Prize?
I think she'd be a good candidate for that one!
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shaggy briard Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:51 PM
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41. I hope she gets it
before that "accident" the repugs are planning
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #41
58. take that back!
No sense in vibing that juju towards our beloved Bev.
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shaggy briard Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #58
63. taken back
just remember who we're up against
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #63
93. remembering every morning
every day

thanks.
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Hobbes199 Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:50 PM
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84. Absolutely
Nobel for Bev and a Pulitzer for Olbermann.
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goldengreek Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:16 PM
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64. Pulitzer for sure.
And if she uncovers enough fraud to turn the election they should just hand it to her automatically over the next ten years.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:42 PM
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77. Good news and bad news regarding Pulitzer...
Good news is that the work of Bev Harris and her contributions fit into many PP catagories:

These are the Pulitzer Prize category definitions for the 2004 competition:

1. For a distinguished example of meritorious public service by a newspaper through the use of its journalistic resources which may include editorials, cartoons, and photographs, as well as reporting.

2. For a distinguished example of local reporting of breaking news.

3. For a distinguished example of investigative reporting by an individual or team, presented as a single article or series.

4. For a distinguished example of explanatory reporting that illuminates a significant and complex subject, demonstrating mastery of the subject, lucid writing and clear presentation.

5. For a distinguished example of beat reporting characterized by sustained and knowledgeable coverage of a particular subject or activity.

6. For a distinguished example of reporting on national affairs.

7. For a distinguished example of reporting on international affairs, including United Nations correspondence.

8. For a distinguished example of feature writing giving prime consideration to high literary quality and originality.

9. For distinguished commentary.

10. For distinguished criticism.

11. For distinguished editorial writing, the test of excellence being clearness of style, moral purpose, sound reasoning, and power to influence public opinion in what the writer conceives to be the right direction.

12. For a distinguished cartoon or portfolio of cartoons published during the year, characterized by originality, editorial effectiveness, quality of drawing, and pictorial effect.

13. For a distinguished example of breaking news photography in black and white or color, which may consist of a photograph or photographs, a sequence or an album.

14. For a distinguished example of feature photography in black and white or color, which may consist of a photograph or photographs, a sequence or an album.


http://www.pulitzer.org /


The bad news is PP judges vote using Diebold machines...

Hahahahaha, not really. Just kidding... :D
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #77
79. Well...
Maybe if Keith Olbermann gets back from vacation to cover this, he can win one!
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:04 PM
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87. you could nominate her for a MacArthur (genius) award.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:14 PM
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95. Yes! Yes! Yes! YES!!!
Of course she deserves a MacArthur!

But, I understand the MacArthur foundation doesn't solicit nominations from just anyone. I think they have a pool of Especially-Talented-People-Who-Know to make the nominations, though I'm not sure of the process.


You are so freakin' smart, you deserve a MacArthur!
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:18 PM
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3. Whaaa?
"...because they found tapes from the op-scan machines thrown away that do not match the posted election results."

Ick. Yikes.

Could you clarify? What did these "tapes" represent? What was on them?
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AimeeMM Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:22 PM
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13. Sorry, should have clarified that a bit...
they are the tallies that the op-scan machines print at the end of the day. They look like register receipt tapes. They print all results for all elections in that precinct.

Basically, the precinct end results as printed by each Precinct Clerk at the end of the day did not match up with the posted precinct results by a lot more than could be considered some sort of weird, yet correctable and forgivable, error.

There could possibly be an explanation for this, but we don't know of one at this point and the SOE, Deanie Lowe, is not cooperative in the slightest sense of the word.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:30 PM
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27. Yup, yup, we do the same with our opscan systems..
Got a register tape of my precinct's results here in my house. As do all judges in our county.

HEY, that's be someplace to look, FWIW.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:57 PM
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127. Isn't it illegal to THROW AWAY THESE TAPES!?
Man alive! We have to keep tax records for 7 years ... :shrug:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:21 PM
Response to Reply #127
155. Right-o, chap, and the judges
who keep the signed copies of the tapes in our houses have to keep them for TWO YEARS. That's the third of four copies we make.

PING! Someone tell Bev if she can't find the originals, IMO the judges there should have them... if they run their system like we do. Diff state, though.
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Ducks In A Row Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:19 PM
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4. bags! in the trash!
oh but there isn't any EVIDENCE. CNN says so.


yeah Bev. Maybe Keith can get the producers to let you on the show when he gets back from vacation.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:19 PM
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5. Happy happy joy joy
:kick:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:20 PM
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6. Am fascinated... Here's a link to Volusia's place in the sun...
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:30 PM
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72. Breathtaking report about 2000.
I love this exchange:

"'Let me explain something,'Toobin quoted Gore as saying in his response to Bush. 'Your little brother is not the ultimate authority on this.'"

And then Bush hung up on Gore.

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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #72
96. What I wouldn't give to have that soundbyte!!!! n/t
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:20 PM
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7. Tapes thrown away that don't match the posted election results?
On whose authority were those tapes thrown away, and just exactly from whom did they get their orders?

Without Democrats, democracy would die.
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wickywom Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:20 PM
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8. What is up with this Bartcop claim...
that she settled the CA lawsuit so Diebold wouldn't have to make changes to the machines... and that she sold special impeachment cigars?

Anyone?
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:19 PM
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65. As usual, Bart is talking out his.......
....... :kick: :evilgrin:

Bev Harris, Jim March turn down California Qui Tam settlement

He owes Bev an apology!

There's a thread kicking around from July 2, 2003 where he made similar claims about Bev and DUers when we claimed that the machines were indeed hackable. He called us liars then and has never apologized since.
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wickywom Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #65
118. Yes he does.
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:21 PM
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9. From two weeks ago?
They found trash still there from two weeks ago? That sure seems odd.
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AimeeMM Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:27 PM
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21. Very odd, but I went through it myself so I KNOW its true
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #9
117. They may have only recently thrown it away...
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:21 PM
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10. But Kerry won Volusia County
Last I knew anyway. If that's changed, then let me know, cause that would be a dead giveaway. This is a very Democratic county and very, very few Dixiecrats.
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AimeeMM Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:24 PM
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17. Kerry BARELY won a very Liberal County...
Gore won by 14K but Kerry only won by 3K. No way that's right.

I'll post more later, have to go.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:38 PM
Response to Reply #17
75. Please keep apprised of the situation.
Feel free to PM me.

Let me point out though, that the population of Volusia Co. has grown a lot in the last four years. But I have no idea what the demographic make up of the new residents is.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:24 PM
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18. Skimming my dear, skimming. nt
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #18
29. Yes
all over the place--a little here, a little there, enough not to force recounts, etc.

But they needed a lot to get the "mandate", cuz the turnout was so heavy. A few hundred to a thousand per county all over the map and bingo you've got a 3.6 million margin.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #18
56. Exactly, skimming is the word
much harder to notice or prove when it's across the board.

But the results of this election are too consistent. A plus 5, minus 5 in each direction reverses things quiet nicely.

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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #18
73. That's one of the operative words right there -- skimming
The other being 'padding'. As in, skimming Kerry's votes and padding Junior's. Alittle bit there, a wee bit there. It all adds up.

I wonder how it feels to be J*b and have to risk everything to clean up after his older brother. Again. As if GW would ever do that for J*b. Never in this life.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #10
19. still could effect the overall state total
If he wins the county but not all votes are tabulated
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:21 PM
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11. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
go Bev go! go Bev go!

Jeez, if this comes out before it's too late, I'll get drunk for a week.

Hey, isn't Florida's election going to be certified today or tomorrow? I thought I heard that somewhere? So doesn't that mean that the clock is running for someone to ask for a recount? How can they say it's certified with all of this crap still going on?
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:21 PM
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12. THANKS, AIMEE!
For the update!

:hi:
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blitzburgh55 Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:23 PM
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14. So they're were too stupid
to burn the evidence? LMAO.
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #14
36. *Crossing my fingers and hoping that this is true*
n/t
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:23 PM
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15. Who is the founder of the Florida Fair Elections committee?
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 03:27 PM by Malva Zebrina
never heard of them. Members? Officials? got any? The trash was able to be carted off the premises with the blessings of the SOE? Or did they pick them up from the dumpster? Is that legal? Is this covered in any newspaper? Got a picture of that garbage and the bags anywhere?
Would love to know the answers to these questions before I contribute any money to BBV. How about if a reporter were sent to you or a neutral third party present to observe this garbage collecting that is proof, or not proof, of any fraud?
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AimeeMM Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. Its the disgruntled members of the Volusia Democrats
who know the election was stolen.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. Is there a group like that in Ohio?
Where does one go to start it?
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #24
45. CASE Ohio
They have website, google it.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. thanks but names? Leaders? Statement of purpose?
anything to give it credence at all?
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AimeeMM Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #26
152. It is a new group
There were several members of the Democratic base in Volusia Co. that didn't want to shut down the office and then try to regroup in 2006 before the Governor's election. They wanted to keep the momentum going instead. It is really just local people who are extremely dedicated to taking back our country beginning in our county. It has really just formed in the last week and the charter is currently being laid out. I'll be working on a website and will post a link when its ready for unveiling.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #152
161. Thanks for the Info
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BlueInRed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:00 AM
Response to Reply #26
163. self-deleted
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 12:03 AM by BlueInRed
um, never mind
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #20
32. AimeeMM, do you have the physical proof?
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AimeeMM Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #32
153. Bev Harris and FFEC have it in their hands. I saw it.
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #15
22. Trash
Trash is abadoned property. Sure, it's fair game.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #22
28. are you sure? Even if it is in a dumpster that is paid for by the party
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 03:34 PM by Malva Zebrina
in question? I know where I am, it is not permitted. Is that the way we are to prove voter fraud by rummaging in garbage and finding papers of which we know not a thing so far, except the titillation of a question of guess who benifitted? I think not. I think Bev Harris better provide something better than that to those who contribute to her garbage sifting operation with an ad hoc group of disgruntled Democrats
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tbuddha Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #28
37. yes...garbage is fair game
I don't care where you are at. Garbage is garbage. No one OWNS it, it's garbage. PIs go through it all the time. Police use garbage all the time. Any detective worth his salt checks garbage. Sloppy criminals get caught this way all the time. Republicans are very sloppy criminals.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #37
44. If that is the way a recount is done
with nothing to show us except verbal accounts, aided by an ad hoc organisation of disgruntled Democrats, no account of how many of them, and with little teasers such as guess who benefitted, and followed by please donate to BBV, then I am out.

It is just silly drama at this point.

What was said at the two hour meeting Harris had with the SOE? That would have been better information

A fool and his money are soon parted.
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #44
61. This is the way investigation is done.
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 04:16 PM by demodonkey
Black Box Voting is a registered non-profit organization. Look it up.

If YOU don't want to donate, then please, don't part with your money.

This fool wants to help.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #44
86. Don't let the door hit ya'.......
....... :evilgrin: Buh bye! :hi:

Just a silly drama? Talk about fools!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #44
151. Malva, you sound like talking points.
"Ad hoc."

"Disgruntled."

"Silly drama."


Why is that?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #28
92. Plus FL is a Sunshine Law state
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 05:11 PM by DoYouEverWonder
all records, whether they are in the garbage or not are public record.

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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:23 PM
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16. how do you know this?
do you know her personally? I was wondering what she was up to ,no updates on her site since, nov 13(sat)

please tell us more it gives me hope to keep going.

this voter fraud is consuming me right now. I just can't stop thinking about it all. Definately addicted to this site.was in withdrawl when it went down last nite
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AimeeMM Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #16
25. Because I was there. Saw her with my own eyes. Held the trash in my hands
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. Somebody needs to notify all the media. Right away! Are there photos?
Or any other corroborating data? That would be important and more convincing than word-of-mouth. If true, this is it! This is the smoking gun!
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #30
112. The press doesn't need to know squat yet.......
.......until such a time as all of this has been sorted and matched with the posted and certified results and the actions of the county elections officials have been explained.

For reasons of confidentiality I can't comment on why I believe this happened beyond a doubt, but I do. :evilgrin:

Perhaps one day the entire 'behind the scenes' account of 'The Adventures of Bev and Andy' will be told but for now I'll just say that this fits in nicely. :)

To elections officials, Bev is the rabbit from "Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail" reincarnated.

Beneath that humble, grandmotherly exterior......trust me on this, you don't want to know what she's capable of!

Just be glad that she is, and that she's on our side. :toast:

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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #112
121. But the deadlines are coming up fast. If there is physical proof here, it
is just what is needed to convince those who call all of this "conspiracy theory." Consequently, if it really is proof, it needs to come out NOW.

Is this REALLY definitive proof? Or is it something that is simply suspicious? There is a big difference, obviously. I want this to be true, but am concerned it may not meet the tests for proof.
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AimeeMM Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #30
154. Our little local paper was there. :)
The DeLand Beacon came in, they are very liberal. In fact, a photo of me going through the documents may end up in the paper. I'm sure the Daytona News-Journal will pick up on it soon and we'll see where it goes from there. I'm going to see who we can get in contact with tomorrow.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #154
158. I found their web site.......
......I'll keep an eye on it! http://www.delandbeacon.com / :hi:
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #25
67. can't get anymore definative than that
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tbuddha Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:27 PM
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23. GO BEV GO!!
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:36 PM
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31. don't take a plane back home, bev.
if she's getting close to anything, they'll snuff her out like a bug.

never, ever forget the type of people in the white house. please be careful, bev.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #31
100. Whew!! That's what worries me too!!
But no matter what the fascists try now the fight goes on.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:39 PM
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33. Dumpster diving for democracy!
That's why I love her! :loveya: :evilgrin:

It would seem someone attempted to eliminate part of the public record of the vote count. :(

Now why oh why would they do that? :shrug:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:21 PM
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66. Dumpster diving is a way of life for some
As a truck mechanic I once took up a job working for a garbage company. The Drivers were some pretty smart folks in many ways. They would find some real treasures just about everyday (but man was it a nasty job otherwise). Be careful what you throw away, it might end up in someone else's hand who might want it more than you ever did.
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saddemocrat Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:40 PM
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34. holy crap
Will she be releasing this info on her website soon? Do you have any idea of how big of a difference in votes it was?
WOW!
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #34
40. My thought...
If you have something tangible, scan it to make electronic copies and post it so many people on here can have backup copies in case something "happens" to the originals....
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GregD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:41 PM
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35. AimeeMM - Get the election night "Cumm Reports"
as well as the "vote tablulator audit logs" please.

Please contact me. I want to get this to someone I'm working closely with.
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republikkkon Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:48 PM
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38. if this is true you just made my day n/t
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Mister K Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:51 PM
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39. This is gonna take some time people....
I think we are all being a little impatient here. If this were a trial, we would be in the Discovery phase. Nothing more. I would love to see all of this stuff hit the press and make everyone take notice, but it won't happen yet.

Bev is collecting evidence, hordes of it...and pretty soon she will create a front so thick that you could not cut it with a flamethrower.

Keep in mind, we only need to prove fraud, yes fraud, in one district. Or at least have credible evidence that could be a foundation for a trial. If this happens, the people in that district will get outraged and demand that something be done about it. After that, district, after district will demand an investigation and the lawsuits will fly...and then the criminal investigations with follow.

Patience people. Patience.
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:53 PM
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43. This certainly adds credence...
To the need for a FL statewide recount. The original ballots still exist right? Rescan or handcount and check versus official totals. Disagreement and... Voila! Fraud proven! (If you can show intent... :()
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Mister K Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:00 PM
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52. Is finding evidice in a garbage can proof?
Could be.....

At minimum, its destruction of public property. Voting logs.
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:04 PM
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55. Well...
I just looked it up and Velusia County does use precinct based counts of the optical scan ballots. From what I understand, these tapes recovered from the trash are the printouts created at the precinct before or immediately after the votes were transmitted to the central Board of Elections office. If someone were going into the GEMS central tabulator software and changing those numbers then you wouldn't expect them to agree with the precinct printouts. It certainly jives with some of the thoughts I've had about how this could happen.

It really could be the break we've been looking for...
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Mister K Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:10 PM
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59. Yep. I think we will be seeing more of Bev in the coming days.
This should get some national exposure by the end of the week. I hope she is ready when it hits the fan.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #39
82. Screw a trial! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!! THIS SHOULD BE HANDLED WITH HASTE!
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neohippie Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:52 PM
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42. Take out the papers and the trash, Yackety Yak Let's Talk Back!
So we are a throw away society, where even your vote gets thrown away!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #42
51. LOL!
Now I'll have that song in my head for an hour :)
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Mister K Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:13 PM
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60. When I hear that song..
I have an image of Arnold singing that song on a plane from the movie Twins.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #42
99. That's agreat meme, neohippie!
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:56 PM
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46. The Plot Thickens...
Bev is just amazing... Anybody have a picture of her that can be posted? I'm curious to see the face of one of the only people I have come across in life worthy of true admiration.
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. You can watch her in action...
at votergate.tv!
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:59 PM
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48. Here's a wee un
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. NO!!!!
Don't anyone post photos of Bev, PLEASE! Let's keep her safe in her anonymity. The people who want to stop her will do ANYTHING to do so!
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Mister K Donating Member (338 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:03 PM
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53. I am sure she is being watched closely by both sides
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:03 PM
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54. Let's Be Real Here
The last thing Bev has done is made herself anonymous LOL I'm sure her adversaries know her quite well already, especially since she even went on TV with Dean and showed the world how easy it is to hack Evoting.
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #46
89. Photo of Harris...
Here she is, track her down, chase her around the block...

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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:10 PM
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91. It looks like she had work done. n/t
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:18 PM
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98. Honey, that's not Bev Harris
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #89
101. LOL!
God, Cruella had a makeover. Brand new nose!!
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #89
106. bwahahahaha
thanks, I needed a smile...
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #89
116. ROTFLMFAO!
Good one! :evilgrin: :thumbsup: :toast:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:14 PM
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119. I laughed out loud. Thank you so much. n/t
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #89
123. Yep, that's her!
;)
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:20 PM
Response to Reply #89
137. yuk, looks like someone that got run over by a car . N/T
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #46
166. Bev's face
Watch the video--> www.votergate.tv /
She is a graceful sole
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:23 AM
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177. She's a graceful fish!!!
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 04:24 AM by juajen
I know, I know, I'm such a pest.

Right now, Bev is the most beautiful person I know, and she will remain so. Brave, courageous and, possibly, in danger. If they smite her in any way it would be so obvious that I think she's safe. Take no chances, though, please Bev, be very careful.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:59 PM
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50. I'm shocked
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:09 PM
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57. Kick
:kick:
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:15 PM
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62. Bev Harris is America's Lech Walesa!!!
We can't possibly heap enough praise on this incredibly patriotic woman!!

Thanks, Bev!!!

:toast:
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #62
68. I live in Miami
And I want to join the Florida Fair Elections Committee. I'm a former newspaper reporter who knows how to fight for public records. Let me know how to join.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. Go to blackboxvoting.org!
And Welcome!!!
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. I did send them an e-mail about a week ago
But they never got back to me. I understand they're probably swamped right now, but if they're in my area, I can just meet them in person.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:43 PM
Original message
Please re send that e-mail!
Bev's server was hacked last week and crew the database and e-mail archives were partially destroyed in an attempt to slow down the recount efforts. The server has since been moved to an ISP that specializes in high profile 'targeted' web sites. :)
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #62
102. The Erin Brokovich of Election Fraud.
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:30 PM
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71. Where are the Dems???
Who the hell runs elections in Volusia County?! Aren't there any Dems on that committee??
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:37 PM
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74. http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm


"DELAND, Fla., Nov. 11 - Something very strange happened on election night to Deborah Tannenbaum, a Democratic Party official in Volusia County. At 10 p.m., she called the county elections department and learned that Al Gore was leading George W. Bush 83,000 votes to 62,000. But when she checked the county's Web site for an update half an hour later, she found a startling development: Gore's count had dropped by 16,000 votes, while an obscure Socialist candidate had picked up 10,000--all because of a single precinct with only 600 voters."
- Washington Post Sunday , November 12, 2000 ; Page A22

Yes. Something very strange happened in Volusia County on election night November 2000, the night that first Gore won Florida, then Bush, and then as everybody can so well remember there was a tie.

Something strange indeed. But what exactly? In the above report ( click for full version), written days after the election, hotshot Washington Post reporter Dana Milbank goes on to attribute the strange 16,022 negative vote tally from Volusia's precinct 216 to an apparently innocent cause.

"…. faulty 'memory cards' in the machines caused the 16,000-vote disappearance on election night. The glitch was soon fixed," he wrote.

But thanks to recent investigations into Black Box Voting by Washington State writer Bev Harris we now know this explanation is not correct. In fact it is not even in the ballpark.

According to recently discovered internal Diebold Election Systems memos, Global Election Systems' (which was later purchased by Diebold) own technical staff were also stumped by the events in Volusia County/

In Chapter 11 of her new book "Black Box Voting In the 21st Century" released early today in .PDF format at Blackboxvoting.com and here at Scoop Ms Harris observes.


"If you strip away the partisan rancor over the 2000 election, you are left with the undeniable fact that a presidential candidate conceded the election to his opponent based on a second card that mysteriously appears, subtracts 16,022 votes, then just as mysteriously disappears."
Working in parallel with Ms Harris Scoop has also been inquiring into the events on election night in Volusia county. Much of the material that follows is similar to that which appears in Chapter 11 of her book.

The starting point in this shocking discovery about election 2000 came in a series of internal Diebold ES technical support memos.

The following is an abbreviated version of the exchange concerning the peculiar events in Volusia county. For the purposes of research the exchange is included in full as an Appendix to this report (APPENDIX TWO). The discussion took place in early 2001 as an audit was underway in Volusia county into the events.


**********
(NOTE: The names below each extract link to the full text of the emails in the appendices below.)


I need some answers! Our department is being audited by the County. I have been waiting for someone to give me an explanation as to why Precinct 216 gave Al Gore a minus 16022 when it was uploaded. Will someone please explain this so that I have the information to give the auditor instead of standing here "looking dumb".
Lana Hires – Volusia County Florida - January 17, 2001 8:07 AM

My understanding is that the card was not corrupt after (or before) upload. They fixed the problem by clearing the precinct and re-uploading the same card. So neither of these explainations washes. That's not to say I have any idea what actually happened, its just not either of those…

The problem is its going to be very hard to collect enough data to really know what happened. The card isn't corrupt so we can't post-mortem it (its not mort).

Ken Clark – Diebold ES R&D Manager – January 18, 2001 1:41 PM

- the negative numbers on media display occurred when Lana attempted to reupload a card or duplicate card. Sophia and Tab may be able to shed some light here, keeping in mind that the boogie man may me reading our mail. Do we know how this could occur?

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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:14 PM
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94. Good Grief!!!
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #74
120. OMG!!! I never heard of this
and I've been following everything to do with this election since August 2003. How did this story not make every front page in the entire free world??
Stupid CNN.... :mad:
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:45 PM
Response to Reply #120
140. this has been an ongoing drama for months, covered here at DU
the weirdest thing was that an incredibly large nos of internal Diebold memos and emails were dumped on the internet and then downloaded by various groups and people over the world.

Student groups at various colleges had them at their web sites; Diebold threatened the schools with lawsuits if the adms didn't shut down the web sites. I think Swarthmore was the first school up and threated.

Has/will anyone write a book about this???
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #140
167. thank you, bobbieinok...
...for the update! I had of course heard about black box voting and Diebold and everything, but I mean this specific story about the 2000 election was new to me. It seems so outrageous. But then I guess we'd need real media if we expected this to get much coverage.
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:39 PM
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76. we definately need more evidence like this
yup BEV is a hero in my book.good work
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #76
81. Absolutely
She's my hero no doubt. Go Bev!!!!!
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lawladyprof Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:43 PM
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78. Is it even legal to throw those tally-thingies away? eom
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:50 PM
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83. No, they constitute part of the 'public record'.......
.......regardless of any subsequent documents that were produced. They were created by State employees while working 'on the clock' in the public interest. I'm quite sure they would be covered by public records retention policy.

I think we all should be headed down to our local board of elections offices to do a little "dumpster diving for democracy". :)
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markusd Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:44 PM
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80. Thanks! / What organization are you with?
Thanks for the info - this is VERY intriguing. I have found the Florida results to be not credible ever since election night, I know a lot of people in Florida and nobody there expected a decisive Bush victory. I just don't buy it, so this post makes a lot of sense to me.

You said "our founder" in your post - can you clarify what organization you're with, if you don't mind my asking?

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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:57 PM
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85. Vote was certified very quietly
in Florida over the weekend. How does that impact Bev's investigation?
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:15 PM
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97. I think the vote has to be certified before Recount
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #97
105. Once certified you have to challenge in court
That was the problem in 2000. Harris certified the vote count pending the results of oversees absentee ballots. She rejected manual recounts in four Florida counties because they were not justified according to Harris and thus she did not accept the results. Gore then had to challenge the certification in court, and we all know what happend after that.
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lthuedk Donating Member (551 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:44 PM
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109. Can't this "challenge" circumvented by criminal prosecution?
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #109
113. Propbably
but it's going to take a large "defend fund"
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:29 PM
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104. bev had to wait til they were certified to act
you can't object to the election results until they call them final. Then I think in Fl. u have ten days to object to them. Bev knew all that before she went there.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:42 PM
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107. It will become another court battle
Ok so it will end up in court if she finds substantial evidence. I think there is a deadline of Dec. 12 for the whole thing.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #85
139. read somewhere at DU 'behind closed doors'
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:06 PM
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88. Thanks, AimeeMM. To clarify, when you say "our founder" came back, are
you speaking of the founder of Florida Fair Elections Coalition, or are you speaking of Bev?

Also, do you know if these discarded tapes had any date/time indication?

I know Bev had posted recently that she had planned on making her findings available to the public as they occur, but she changed that policy because it made officials more reluctant to speak with her. Is she o.k. with you posting this information? No offense, but I just want to make sure you're aware of the issue.

Thanks again. It's great to see some Florida Dems are going after these guys.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:09 PM
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90. can this be verified?
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confusa Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:27 PM
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103. Look what I found in my desk?!?!?
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 05:36 PM by confusa
While Bev is down there, might want to check in people's desks!!

http://stpetetimes.com/2004/11/16/Tampabay/Pinellas_bal...

Can't post a new thread yet sadly.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #103
111. Only the tip of the iceberg
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #103
115. This is exactly the kind of thing that concerns me most...
Paper records discarded...
Misplaced ballot boxes...
Who knows what other shenanigans are going on!

Our effort can't succeed unless all existing paper records are preserved! What is being done to secure them?

Thank God for Bev Harris. She seems to know where to go and what to look for at all times. Go Bev!

Anyone that would throw out documentation, any documentation, that pertains to election results SHOULD BE PROSECUTED.

On the other hand, this might be planted disinformation. I'm sure that Bev will proceed with caution.
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:43 PM
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108. 2000 Volusia 53/45 for Dem vs. 2004 Volusia 50.5/49.9
I hope someone checks my math, but it appears that while Gore's margin over Bush in Volusia 2000 was about 8%, Kerry's margin in Volusia 2004 was only about 1.65%.

This means that Kerry margin was about 6.4% lower than Gore's.

If Kerry had the same 8% margin as Gore, he would have had about another 15,000 votes.

Just something to ponder....
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #108
147. Here are my notes
Volusia county:
Optical Scan: Precinct-Based Diebold Election Systems
Bush +4 Kerry/Gore -2
2000
GORE 97,313 53%
BUSH 82,368 45%
2004
Kerry 114,986 51%
Bush 111,263 49%
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:49 PM
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110. Bev, I have a little message for you.
:yourock:
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Baja Margie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:59 PM
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114. Thank you & done.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:37 PM
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122. The Next Big Thing?
I thought this was very interesting. This is an excerpt from a Maureen Farrell article entitled The Next Big Thing.


Scandal: Though the scandals bubbling beneath the surface of this administration do not yet rise to Presidential penis level, they nevertheless involve matters of national security (Plamegate), the rule of law (Abu Ghraib), threats to democracy (Votergate) and war and peace (Yellowcakegate). "At some point in the next four years there will be a great scandal that will make Watergate look like a fraternity prank. All the elements are already in place," Salon.com recently asserted. " has never been so beautifully set up than now for a cataclysmic, Nixon-like fall," Mark Morford wrote.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:37 PM
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148. Wow! n/t
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:49 PM
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124. Here is a report from Volusia County
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 06:49 PM by God_bush_n_cheney
After a day of furious auditing Bev, Andy and Kathleen of Black Box Voting have found discrepant results in Volusia county. At this time we have had an attorny LOCK DOWN all poll tapes, memory cartridges and the GEMS central tabulator. The discrepant results were concentrated in mainly minority areas. We are currently going through trash obtained early this morning by Bev and Kathleen Wynne via a FOIA request. At one point they were threatened with arrest but avoided it narrowly (Bev will do a full report later). Black Box Voting will be issuing a press release later today. This is it folks...the first crack in Florida.

Andy
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noonriser Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #124
126. Woohoo!!!
And a big KICK!

:kick:
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:59 PM
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129. Go Bev GO!!!!! Thanks for the update...
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:02 PM
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131. Andy, Andy, Andy.......
.......You BAD DOG you! :spank: :evilgrin:

Now look what you've done! Now you've got them picking up your bad habits! :)

I don't know how we can ever thank you guys. (and gals!)

Just for reference, Bev likes a good Merlot, Andy likes Tequila, and I'm not sure what Kathleen drinks but I'm sure someone will let us know. ;-) :toast: :toast: :toast:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:07 PM
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133. Wow Andy.
GO GET EM! :toast:

YOU GUYS SO ROCK!
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sled Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:49 PM
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125. COLLIER COUNTY, FL: Software glitch blamed for delay in election results
Sorry, if this has been posted somewhere, before...I forgot about it, but it showed up, right after the "election".

***********************************************

Software glitch blamed for delay in election results

http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/news/article/0,2071,NPDN...

By CATHY ZOLLO
November 4, 2004

The touchscreen voting machines were fine in Collier County's general
election.

It was the software on a separate computer that is used for tabulating
results that was home to the problem.

That problem delayed election results in the county by about three
hours Tuesday night.

The glitch went something like this:

Elections officials pulled voting information off the ES&S IVotronic
machines and fed it into the Dell computer where it would be made into
a report about voting results.

The Dell had been used to go through some dry runs ahead of balloting
on Tuesday, but those numbers were supposed to be deleted from the
machine, or "zeroed out." But a file containing numbers that had not
been deleted was added to the vote totals, throwing off the results.

The problem showed up when officials compared the first report off the
Dell with another report pulled together from the same sources of
information but on a different computer.

"It made my numbers look weird, and I said OK stop, we're not going to
pump out a bad report," said Gary Beauchamp, deputy assistant
supervisor of elections for Collier County.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:49 AM
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175. A Dell?
Which would be how hard to break into?
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sled Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:33 AM
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178. First I've seen
That's the first report I'd seen, where bogus numbers were actually reported to be on the "tabulator", and added to the actual total count. Wondered if that might point to the "hack", everybody seems to believe, occurred.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 06:57 PM
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128. It would be interesting to get fingerprints.
Ya know what I mean?
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:00 PM
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130. I will post a short report in General Discussion right now
on what really happened in Volusia County so far.

Bev Harris
Executive Director
Black Box Voting (.ORG)
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:05 PM
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132. Thanks Bev!
:kick:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:10 PM
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134. Kick!
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #130
135. I gave at your office.
YOu're my Hero(in)
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:45 PM
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141. Bev, you are making history! You're a Supastah!!!! n/t
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:48 PM
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143. So where is the post? I have been looking and waiting and see nothing
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 08:52 PM by Malva Zebrina
at all from Bev Harris on the GD explaining what is being done in Florida except for reports of garbage sifting on this thread by a group of ad hoc disgruntled Democrats.

It has been two hours since we were promised this explanation and report that you said was going to be "right now"

???
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:50 PM
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145. here
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:57 PM
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146. thank you nt
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:55 AM
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165. Bev's post is now up at BBV.org
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JD Lau Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:30 AM
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172. I could not get in to BBV tonight.
Will try again through your link.
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JD Lau Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:33 AM
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173. Still can't. eom
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:13 PM
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136. Can see why Bev's there after looking at the figs
Seems Kerry's margin should have been at least 10,000 to 12,000 higher.


114,986 – Kerry – 48.85 - a 3,500 diff in repub and dem votes in 2004
111,263 – Bush – 51.49

District Age Analysis for Volusia on 11-02-04 under Voter Registration Totals from Volusia County site.

126,405 – DEM’s
111,372 – REP’s
62,640 – NON-P
9.513 – OTHER
309,930 – TOTAL - A 15,000 dif between registered Repubs and Dems.

2000 Vote Totals - Notice a 15,000 diff in repub and dem votes in 2000

Bush 82,368
Gore 97,313
Nader 2,910

1996 Totals - A 15,000 diff in repub and dem votes in 1996

Clinton 78,905
Dole 63,067
Perot 17,319
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:29 PM
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138. Contact Kerry
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jasmineblue Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:44 PM
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142. Kick!!
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Jimdish25 Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:49 PM
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144. Get Ready!
As the cracks begin to appear in the scandal, expect a few people to get nervous and go on the attack just like DeLay's thugs did to shut down the recount in 2000.

We need to be prepared to do two things:

1. Support the vote counters through donations, volunteering and pressure on the media.

2. Be prepared to bang on some doors to make sure they don't drop the curtain on this entire project by sending in their goons the way they did last time.

If there's a widespread vote-skimming fraud this is likely to be a long and ugly battle. How's your stomach?
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:40 PM
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150. It's been sour for the last 4 years! So, I say, let's rock!!! n/t
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:20 AM
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168. Rumbling. Wants red meat.
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:40 PM
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149. I'm worried....
I'm worried this is getting out there so soon. Is this too much too soon? What if people are destroying similar evidence in other counties? Shouldn't we be talking about injunctions and lockdowns on a statewide scale?
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Bonescrat Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #149
156. Agreed.
But she did post it on DU and she must know how many
people read this stuff...lets hope it was well thought out....
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Bonescrat Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:23 PM
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157. Agreed.
But she did post it on DU and she must know how many
people read this stuff...lets hope it was well thought out....
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:22 AM
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164. Yeah, they're gonna say it was "just this one precinct, or one
county."
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CementDude Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:26 PM
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159. Bev Harris -VS- Volusia - Round 2?
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 11:43 PM by CementDude
(I posted this as a reply to another thread, but this may be a better place to ask)

I've been following the BBV site and was surprised this latest development hasn't been posted there yet. Regardless, I have a couple of questions upon which I hope some can shed some light:

1) I understand Bev Harris has been to Volusia after the 2000 fiasco because of a similar issue:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

quote - "…. faulty 'memory cards' in the machines caused the 16,000-vote disappearance on election night. The glitch was soon fixed,"

At the time it was Precinct 216. Now the problem seems to be "next door" in Precint 215 and may very well be blamed on a "faulty" memory card, as was the excuse in 2000. So my question is, since we're dealing with the same cast of characters over at Valusia, are we (mostly Bev) assuming that they (Volusia's BOE) didn't learn their 2000 lesson and are continuing to commit fraud? If so, why didn't Bev Harris' 2000 fraud audit produce enough evidence to convict someone?

2) To the issue of all these "polling tapes" being found in the trash, with apparently different versions or "sets" of the same data, I found this article:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/New...

quote - "Post-election 2004 in Volusia County churned into its second day Thursday, with a 228,000-vote recount and concerns about possible voter fraud."

Seems Volusia already did a machine recount of *all* ballots (228,000+ ballots - all precincts) because of a disputed local election. Would this recount produce a new set of tapes? If so, how does this factor into Bev's recent account of what she found.

-- OK, another question --

3) Are Bev Harris's efforts better served at this "scene of the crime" which was a fruitless effort in 2000, or perhaps are her services more needed in Ohio where there is a more likely chance to overturn the electoral votes?

Thanks all!
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:41 PM
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162. Your article isn't available on line at the posted addy
http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/New


Why don't you post the date and more of the article since it doesn't come up at the addy you gave.



:evilgrin: :
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CementDude Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:27 PM
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160. Bev Harris -VS- Volusia - Round 2?
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 11:45 PM by CementDude
Sorry about the bad link (Recount of Volusia) so I fixed my posts. Here is the link again:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/New...

Weird - the link isn't coming up right!

Here is some info on the article if you want to google it:

****************

Recount officials wary of fraud

By JAMES MILLER
Staff Writer

Last update: November 05, 2004

DELAND -- Post-election 2004 in Volusia County churned into its second day Thursday, with a 228,000-vote recount and concerns about possible voter fraud.

.....

****************
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:21 AM
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169. I think that all the logs are supposed to be retained.
It will be interesting to compare the Recount with the original too.

Can't wait to compare the two sets of data.
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vet 65 69 Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:23 AM
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170. on election night close of polls
they only had 209,052 turnout, i have this saved in ms word if you want a copy. a few days later when i checked again they had added 20,000 more to the turnout i new then they were f%&king with the vote
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:28 AM
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171. You guys have to see this:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/16/225713/53

They're talking about Chuck Herrin's Hack the Vote website.
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JD Lau Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 02:41 AM
Response to Reply #171
174. I like it on the bottom of Herrin's website where he
states: All rights reserved. All wrongs avenged.

No smiley available for clapping hands....
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regularjoe Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:13 AM
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176. Kick!
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sled Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 06:57 AM
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179. BREAKING NEWS: Vote fraud investigators visit Volusia
Vote fraud investigators visit Volusia

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/New...

Staff Report

Last update: November 17, 2004

For those who thought the 2004 election was over: Surprise.

Representatives of a Seattle-based organization investigating possible
election fraud visited the Volusia County elections department Tuesday
after being provided reprints of voting machine records instead of
originals.

The activist group, Black Box Voting, is conducting investigations of
voting records throughout the United States, said Bev Harris, its
executive director. Volusia County is its first Florida stop.

"We just look at it as an audit," she said Tuesday afternoon as a
British documentary crew filmed officials securing records for review
today.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:50 AM
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181. The Brits are filming a documentary on this? Excellent! n/t
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RhodaGrits Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 09:21 AM
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180. kick
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