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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:20 AM
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Notes from Ohio voter suppression hearing in Columbus 11/15
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 09:28 AM by jmknapp
Ohio Voter Suppression Hearing
Franklin County Court House
373 S. High St.
Columbus
meeting room A
11/15/04 6:00pm-10:00pm

notes by Joe Knapp [email protected]

Coordinators:

Bob Fitrakis -- Columbus Free Press; Election Protection Coalition
Vicki Beasley -- legal director, People For The American Way, EPC
Jonathan Goldman -- Lawyers Commission, PFTAW
Lee Leighburger -- Common Cause Ohio
Greg Moore -- former director of NAACP National Voter fund
Susan Tourette
Leslie Hough
Bill Moss

Panel largely from non-partisan political action groups that avoided discussions of Bush vs. Kerry.

New county commissioner Mary Jo Kilroy was in attendance.

Fitrakis: asked that all testimony should be personal experiences and not hearsay.

Beasley: noted this was second hearing on the subject, the first held two days before at New Faith Baptist Church in Columbus. Many of the people giving testimony tonight were overflow from the prior well-attended meeting. She said thousands of people were disenfranchised in this election by being denied ballots and also by machine shortages and problems. Goal of her org is to count all the votes, not a recount.

Goldman: called for a continuing movement for lasting voter protection.

Moore: said 83,000 new voters were registered in Ohio but were unable to vote due to disenfranchisement, machine errors, etc. The polling place at Harvey Rice school in Cleveland was the worst.

All testifiers were sworn in en masse at the beginning. A court stenographer recorded all testimony.

Testimony:

Jason Perry

- was monitor at Columbus pct 12A
- lack of poll workers
- no greeter, no one working the end of the long lines telling people which line they needed to be in
- 3 voting machines compared to 4 last year
- Board of Elections did not account for the increased registrations in this pct
- number of machines effectively limited the vote at this pct to 600 voters
- only 50% of the reg voters in this pct could vote
- Beasley noted that there is no Ohio law concerning machine allocation

Jay Wamsley

- Athens attorney
- was election observer in Franklin County on Nov. 2
- assigned to monitor 7D, 7A, 7E, 12B, 7C, 7B
- extremely long lines all day
- 2.5 hour wait was norm in all these pcts
- each pct had 3 voting booths
- he did a sample of some Arlington and Worthington (GOP-dominated) pcts; they all had 4 and sometimes 5 machines
- 12B had been moved and not everyone got the info; many had to cast provisional ballots and this was tying up one machine
- many people left the line without voting


Karen Hanson

- worked for MoveOn PAC
- set up voter information stand at Douglas Elementary (55D?)
- observed 5-10% of the people leaving the line 7:00-10am
- 3 voting machines; in the past 5 or 6
- spoke to about 30 voters who felt they were harassed by enforcement of the 5-minute voting time limit
- poorly trained poll workers; were unable to direct people to their proper polling location if needed

Robin Smith

- resident of Upper Arlington 6A
- chairman, Ward 6, UA for Kerry
- there were 4 polling places in ward 6, 7 pcts
- provided umbrellas and water for people standing in line
- no lines existed at any of these polling places where Bush vote was 62%
- calculates there was 1 machine for every 164 voters
- called for an analysis precinct-by-precinct of machine allocations, correlated with Bush/Kerry support; thinks people need to go to jail over this

Sherry Suarez

- voter in Reynoldsburg D
- had big problems trying to vote
- she had briefly moved out of the county in 2002 and had gotten a driver’s license at the new address. But in March 2004 she moved back to her old Reynoldsburg address (she has 3 properties) where she has been registered for years. At the polling location she was on a pre-determined list of people to challenge and was told she couldn’t vote because her DL didn’t match the voting book.
- was told she needed a utility bill with current address and she didn’t have one
- had a tax bill faxed from the county auditor’s office to the school, but for some reason they wouldn’t take it as proof of address
- had to vote a provisional ballot

Christie Tobin

- was a patient at Mt. Carmel – St. Ann’s in Westerville on Nov. 2
- a representative from the Board of Elections was going through the hospital ward taking votes
- she told the rep she was at the Kerry/Springstein rally at OSU and suffered heart problems later. He said that if he had been to a Kerry rally, he would have heart problems too
- rep said that she should punch out hole 5 for Bush

Jonathan Meyers

- observed at Livingston Avenue Elementary
- pct judge was 1/2 hour late, and walked off the job at noon
- total disorganization
- line was 2.5 hours long
- Voter information and support line 866-OUR-VOTE was busy all day

Arthur Lievert

- observed at Marburn Academy, north side
- 6 voting machines, 2 not working
- there were two lines for pcts C and D, but there was no one to direct voters
- daughter voted in southern Delaware County (Republican area) and reported no line

Steve Brack

- from Riverside, Ohio, Montgomery County pct 5
- passed out voter information guides to voters; was told to stop
- poll workers at Harrison Township L tried to stop legal voter information activity

Jennifer Delaney
- OSU teaching associate
- voted at Prairie Township firehouse in Galloway (Republican area)
- about a 30 minute wait
- submitted a list of her students who conversely reported problems voting at OSU polling places

Janeane Smith-White

- pushed Kerry button on her ballot and the light went on for Bush
- poll worker said it had been happening all day

Steven Hayman

- voted in Pickerington; no problem with punchcard machines or waiting there
- was a volunteer in Columbus 51A on Moler Road
- voters were confused by two polling locations on Moler Rd, at 1201 and 1560
- lost at least 75 voters in the 12.5 hours
- there were about 150 people in line at nominal poll closing of 7:30; one machine
- “Ohio has a new poll tax: if you can’t afford to wait in line for four hours, you don’t vote.”

Tom Pinatello

- first experience voting in Columbus
- polling place was Livingston School
- observed that after he pushed the button for Kerry, went through the complicated ballot, and did a double check at the end before pressing the vote button, the vote for Kerry was gone (light blinking again)

Jimmy Sharpe

- waited in wrong line for one hour
- lines were snaking out of the building
- was told he needed to get an authority-to-vote slip; that’s when he found out the proper line
- pct was handing out ATV slips to everyone in line, even though guideline say that only 5 or 6 should be out at any one time
- people were leaving line and going away with ATV slips still in hand
- these were lost votes; worse, people could theoretically sell the slips

Jen Miller

- worked at 29B and 1A, Southside Settlement House
- election protection volunteer
- low-income Appalachian area
- 4 hour line
- 2 pcts, 3 machines per precinct (there were 4 per pct in 2000)
- 1 machine was down
- lack of poll workers; no was was directing the precinct split in the line
- handicapped voters were not directed to accessible entrance or helped in any way
- handicapped voters given no preferential treatment in long lines
- observed numerous problems with people voting and cried for three hours when she got home

Jane Hubbard

- volunteer at Cleveland Rd/Bryden Rd. pct
- observed 2-3 hours wait
- saw people leaving line

Stacey Mitchell-King

- Columbus public school teacher, took day off for election protection
- delivered food to people in line at Eastland Lanes, Eastland Manor and Franklin Middle School
- observed very long lines at all
- observed people leaving line

John Mannity

- worked for German Village for Kerry
- voted at Schiller Park pct
- long lines
- 6 machines for two pcts E and F
- observed long lines at nearby precincts, east of Parsons Ave.
- bought ponchos for people standing in rain; fashioned garbage bag ponchos

Pat Johnston

- volunteered at Parsons Avenue Branch Library (poll observer)
- 800 people voted on 4 machines
- rate was 55 people/hour
- wait was at least 1.5 hour
- handicapped people were not brought to front

Kathy Varian

- poll worker, 49B, Cedar Woods
- 49B didn’t open until 7:20 (nominal opening was 6:30)
- very chaotic
- precinct judge was overt Republican and officious toward voters
- an elderly black woman waited 2 hours in line only to be challenged and made to fill out a provisional ballot
- precinct judge also made sexually harassing comments toward her
- there were a lot of challenges
- she wasn’t allowed to accompany judge to deliver ballots and tapes to the BOE; fears that he threw out provisionals

Mark Dunbar

- bus driver for Columbus Public Schools
- 3 hour line at his pct
- handicapped voters were not helped
- people left the line
- observed many precincts in minority areas on his bus route throughout the day; long lines at all

Joe Cuspan

- runner for Bexley 1A, 1B, 1C
- only a half-hour line to vote in his line
- minimal or no lines at any of these pcts all day
- these are some of the wealthiest pcts in Columbus (includes Governor’s mansion)

--didn’t hear name--

- voted at Upper Arlington 6C, Windermere Elementary
- obviously plenty of machines
- observer 16 different UA pcts , 158 voters per machine
- on machine tapes, noted many votes for Nader even though his name had been covered with a sticker; evidently one could still push the button and record a Nader vote
- took digital pictures of the machine tapes

Monica Justice

- observed in 6 wards in the “Clintonville corridor”
- 300 people in line at 8:00pm at Linden Library
- observed a very aggressive and volatile environment there
- McDonald’s and Pizza Hut delivered food to people in line
- last voter went through around 11:00pm

Tim Byer

- MoveOn.org pct leader, 47D, east of Bexley, north of Livingston
- poll workers gave inaccurate info to voters
- 40 voters per hour processed by 3 machines
- complicated ballot; he took all of the allotted 5 minutes even though he votes a straight ticket

Michael Gremen

- voter in Westerville 3B
- has voted there every time during the last 5 years
- this time his name was not on the voter list, even though his wife’s was on the list
- had to vote provisionally
- wonders if his role as a member of Citizen’s For Democracy and Ending Corporate Rule might have something to do with it

Tom Kessel

- watched Republican poll challengers in action in Bexley wards 4A and 4C
- on three different occasions saw the poll challengers talking and interacting with poll workers (they are not supposed to)
- they would desist when he said they weren’t supposed to be bugging the poll workers, but when he’d leave the area briefly they’d go right back at it
- one time they were going over their challenge list with the precinct judge
- one machine had severe intermittent problems in the morning, but somebody kicked the side of it or something and it seemed to work the rest of the day
- at the end of the day he noted that the Bush percentage on that machine was much higher than on the other two machines in the polling place, and had the fewest number of votes

Susan Truitt

- Citizen’s Alliance for Secure Elections
- says it’s clear there’s a pattern of discrimination in machine allocations

Bill Moss then spoke:

- this is about the integrity of the electoral process
- a vote is a scared right
- as citizens it’s our duty to uphold that right
- he and his family had similar problems voting (long lines at Eastside Middle School, had to return later, still long lines, many people leaving, took him 3.5 hours to vote)
- result was predictable due to machinations of precinct officials at the behest and leadership of Secretary of State Ken Blackwell
- Blackwell has conflict of interest as co-chair of Bush re-elect Ohio
- never in 40 years has he personally taken more than 20 minutes in line to vote
- chaos was deliberately contrived
- and why not since Americans rolled over so easily in 2000
- all Ohio statewide elected offices held by one party – Republicans; no checks and balances
- same applies at national level
- power corrupts but absolute power corrupts absolutely
- Blackwell’s conduct approaches corruption
- the only check is the people; questions will remain until we investigate the vote
- held up a t-shirt: “Jail Blackwell the Vote Thief!”

--didn’t catch name-- from Cobb campaign:

- Cobb (Green Party) and Badnarik (Libertarian) formally requested a recount
- they have raised the full filing fee
- after result is certified by the SOS, the recount itself will begin
- contact votecobb.org to volunteer to be a recount observer

Cliff Arnebeck

- lawyer; Common Cause
- notes that the Green Party raised the vast majority of the funds
- says it was an act of statesmanship by Cobb and Badnarik

Vicki Beasley (People For The American Way) started her summation about where to go next and at this point the meeting got a bit rambunctious as several people in the audience took issue with her non-partisan “how do we make it better next time” approach. They want something done about THIS election. Beasley said, “overthrowing the government is not what we are about.” Goldman said the chances of reversing the election are vanishingly small. Response from audience was who cares we have to try. The milquetoast approach had definitely worn thin at this point.

Bill Moss took the cue for another rousing speech:

- we should deal with WHAT HAPPENED ON THE 2ND OF NOVEMBER!
- the 200 election was illegitimate
- we must not give in to tyranny or the seeds of despotism
- if we give in we are not worthy of the democracy that had been handed us

Harvey Wasserman spoke:

- George W. Bush has not been legitimately elected president of the US
- in a few more years nothing will be left of democracy
- this election was stolen—tangibly, consciously
- Blackwell played the Katherine Harris role, with the governor’s seat as the plum
- Blackwell repelled voters with the machine shortages
- tens or hundreds of thousands were driven from the polls
- a racial strategy was used; Ohio 2004 = Mississippi 1954

--end--
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Solitaire Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:24 AM
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1. this is such a mess
they should just hold another election and this time do it fairly.

83,000 people couldn't vote? Give me a break.

This is a catastrophe :(
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:29 PM
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36. look for CNN Breaking Report ----- NOT.... media ignores e-vote theft
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:30 AM
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2. Wow.
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:31 AM
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3. wow...what a report...
Kerry needs to come forward...he should say that he doesn't care if the outcome is overturned but these people need to be heard...this STORY needs to be heard!!! He needs to throw all his assets on this... I'm still of the belief that he's on it but after reading this, I'd be furious and jump on it...if I were him...
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:37 AM
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4. This is INEXCUSABLE. This IS FUCKING AMERICA!!
How Dare They..... That is all I have to Fucking say.....
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:40 AM
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5. Thanks for the report
"The milquetoast approach had definitely worn thin at this point."

I especially liked this line.
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Zeebo Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:44 AM
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6. Unreal!
This should be on the front page of every newspaper. Americans civil rights were violated and the Justice Dept. should investigate. When will the mainstream media start covering this? It is shocking!
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:45 AM
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7. Thanks for this, Joe!
Would you consider joining the CASE Ohio yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CASE_OH/

and posting this there as well? They are dying for first-hand info there. (If not, I'll send a note directing them here.)
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:51 AM
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8. My report from the meeting...
Similar info, but not as comprehensive... The big news for me for the night was overhearing a lawyer say that John Kerry is in touch with them EVERY DAY regarding the situation in Ohio.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=53643&mesg_id=54259&page=
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:54 AM
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9. Why did you post peoples names and where they work?????
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:06 AM
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12. Public testimony
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 10:09 AM by jmknapp
...sworn in and on the record.

These people had the courage to stand up and speak out about their experiences on election day.

More people should have the courage to so stand up--too much paranoia and anonymity around really.

Tip O'Neill wrote a book "All Politics is Local" where he talks about how to get a political campaign started. First you file the papers, and get one supporter. Then you start walking around saying, "My name is John Smith and here is my supporter Jane Doe."

It starts from there. Not with net-pseuds and the like.
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:40 PM
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20. I agree...
This isn't a big deal. There were probably 150 or so people there by my estimate and about 10 people recording it on video. I think someone even mentioned that C-SPAN recorded Saturday's hearings, so I assume if that's true that they were there last night too.

Its all public record and knowledge and important to understand what happened to who and where.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:59 AM
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10. Thanks so much for sharing this!
Many of us have been waiting to hear about the hearings. Was anything else said about recourse, for example, getting Blackwell out of office?
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:04 AM
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11. Thank you for compiling such an excellent list
This is precisely the kind of programming we could have if we had a "liberal" television outlet -- just run a hearing like this ALL DAY LONG, and let people see what their government has turned into.
At the very least, there should be a law that no secretary of state or person in charge of elections, could be in any way, shape or form associated with a campaign.
The fact that both Katherine Harris and Blackwell were actually PART of the Bush campaign is outrageous!!!
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:23 AM
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13. Please e-mail this to Keith Olberman and David Shuster.
Media blasting it would actually be good.
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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:50 AM
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14. Done
Also posted to CASE Ohio

Joe
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:16 AM
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15. Good! Thanks. This information really needs to get out because most
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 11:17 AM by Pirate Smile
people don't have a clue. It makes me feel sick but this needs to become much more widely known.

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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:51 AM
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18. I will start sending it out too.
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Habibi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:31 PM
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30. Thanks, again!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:29 AM
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16. Thank you!
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pantouflard Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:41 AM
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17. Another big thank you, Joe. Concrete testimony is so
helpful. And even though it's enraging, it's also satisfying to see that these stories are part of the public record now.
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boi1946 Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:52 AM
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19. Thanks from me, too
I'd hoped someone would tell us.

Question: Any estimate of attendance #'s, or media present?
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:33 PM
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22. Me too -- most excellent
Thanks!
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:25 PM
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21. Wouldn't this serve as evidence for lawsuit?
Can't somebody suit the state of Ohio in regards to this? Seriously, I think there would be hundreds of people who would go on the record in regards to their experiences as evidence in a lawsuit. This is reprehensible.

JTT
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:52 PM
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23. Class Action Suit
I agree. These actions by the Ohio Republican party are criminal.
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YellowDoginthehouse Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:53 PM
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24. THANK YOU, JOE!
For recording all of this for us!
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faithfull Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:58 PM
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25. this is fucking america
Put the emphasis on any of the four words in the title you choose. :)

Kick!

And this is Kerry's chance to get in there. Now or never.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:08 PM
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26. I'm waiting to hear of Blackwell's arrest!
Isn't what he did against the law?
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:14 PM
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27. What did Blackwell do that's against the law?
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:26 PM
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29. Um how about maybe the 1965 Civil Rights Act?
nt
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jhgatiss Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:06 PM
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31. You would have a hard time...
proving that. As was pointed out a number of times at the meeting last night, there is no provision in Ohio law mandating an equivalent amount of equipment per registered voter. I suspect that equipment was allocated based upon historical turnouts rather than projected turnouts.

I'm not defending Blackwell. I think he's been horrible through the whole thing from his rulings on the paper weight issue to the provisional ballots. I think there are larger systematic issues though... like having partisan officials running the show.... or equal protection issues for voting equipment allocation... or having election day on a work day so its more difficult to find an adequate number of competent workers for the polls...

I think if we were to address those overarching issues then the Secretary of State will have less power to influence elections.
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 05:20 PM
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37. The people who GOT the 1965 Civil Rights Act passed had a VERY hard...
time proving discrimination also. There were no laws providing for equivalent ANYTHING back then.

I agree with you about a partisan Sec. of State having conflict of interest, BTW. But I don't think you are going to get change there, unless you start by bringing out other issues, such as how a situation like this is denying poor and minority people their hard-fought rights.

If it takes another civil rights movement to get our vote back, so be it.

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jmknapp Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:23 PM
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28. That's a good question
After hearing tales of long lines and machine shortages the lawyer from People for the American Way weighed in with the statement that there's no Ohio law that covers how the machines should be allocated.

However, the testifier at the time blew her away. He said that there is the Ohio Constitution which has no basis without a free and fair election.

I mean really! Could the Republican SOS decree that all precincts in Democratic wards get one machine while those in Republican precincts get three? And the lawyer for the perps simply say that "no law covers the allocation of machines"? BS! It all a matter, as usual, of what did Blackwell know and when did he know it?

Otherwise it's just a third-rate burglary.

Joe
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:38 PM
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32. THANK YOU for posting this!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:44 PM
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33. Every American should see this
I don't know if Republicans are still Americans and care about Democracy or if they only care about winning.

Seems to me they used to say it's not whether you win or lose but how you play the game.

If I was a Republican I would be ashamed.

It's heartbreaking to read this. Thanks.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:13 PM
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34. I heard that people on line were given provisional ballots
in Columbus that is what I heard from a former OSU student.
They were given provisional ballots when it became obvious that not everyone would be able to vote before the polls closed.
Apparently I did not hear this correctly?
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:20 PM
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35. Almost in tears reading this. It is SO wrong that this should happen in
our country. No matter what the outcome of the election investigations for this time, Dems MUST organize to have people, many people, at EACH polling place next election, to make sure that people who are trying to vote are able to do so.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:10 PM
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38. kick
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:10 PM
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39. dupe
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 07:17 PM by Pirate Smile
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:10 PM
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