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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:11 PM
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Part II: To believe Bush won the election, you must also believe...
Edited on Mon Nov-15-04 08:05 PM by TruthIsAll
Part II: To believe Bush won the election, you must also believe...

1. That people who voted for Bush were not anxious to speak to exit pollsters in the states that Bush had to win (like Florida and Ohio) where the exit polls were off, but wanted to be polled in states that he had sewn up (like Arizona, Louisiana and Arkansas) where the exit polls were exactly correct.

2. That Democrats who voted for Kerry were very anxious to be exit-polled, especially in Florida and Ohio. That accounts for the discrepancy between the exit polls and the actual votes in these two critical states.

3. That women were much more likely to be polled early in the day in Florida and Ohio. That is another reason why the exit polls were wrong in those states. In those states in which the exit polls were correct to within one percent, women did not come out early.

4. That the University of Pennsylvania Professor (trained at MIT) who calculated the probability of Bush gaining votes beyond the exit polling margin of error as ONE out of 250 million, does not have any credibility.

5. That network newscasters who claim that those who consider the possibility of fraud are just wild conspiracy theorists do not have an agenda.

6. That it is just a coincidence that only since the 2000 presidential election have exit polls failed to agree with the actual vote - and that Bush won both disputed elections.

7. That exit polls are not to be trusted in the United States, even though they are used throughout the world to monitor elections for fraud.

8. That even though more votes were cast than there were eligible voters in many precincts of critical states, it is not an issue that needs to be covered in the media.

9. That the absence of a paper ballot trail for touch screen computers does not encourage fraud, even though they have been proven by hundreds of computer experts to be highly vulnerable to fraudulent attack.

10. That statistical tests which indicate a high probability of fraud are just conspiratorial junk science.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:15 PM
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1. Wild-eyed conspiracy theorist. Nothing to see, move along.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:17 PM
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2. You would have to believe that the MILLIONS of people who had the
debates turned on on their tellys... muted the debates and listened to the commercials. That's about the only way I can make any sense of it.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:40 PM
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9. It amazed me to hear my colleagues pointing out how bush did well
in these debates. Apparently, in Bizarro world, bush is literate and intelligent.

WTF?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:47 PM
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11. Are your colleagues breathing?? n/t
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:17 PM
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3. Don't forget you have to believe that voters can cast negative votes
Remember some totals were decreased when they added in to new counts
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:18 PM
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4. Guide to Faith-Based election procedures, vol. II
Thanks, TIA. You keep doing a great job of boiling the mounds of data down into easy to chew portions. :thumbsup:
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:18 PM
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5. Right on again, TIA!
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:29 AM
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13. am kick
tia
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:19 PM
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6. Part 1. To believe that something will come of this
1. You must also believe in the tooth fairy
2. You must be certain that the good guy always triumphs in the end
3. You must place your faith in the third party folks who are demanding the recounts.......as a sidebar you might wonder why that is.


Ok, a little levity is all......
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masshole1979 Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:27 PM
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7. If the tooth fairy will count all the votes....
Edited on Mon Nov-15-04 07:31 PM by masshole1979
yeah, I'll believe in her :) ...in the meantime, I'll just believe in the truth fairy, the one who'll tell us WTF happened no matter who ends up getting inaugurated...

Besides, it's not just a thirst for justice, the curiosity is excruciating at this point...whether the answers come from a recount or freedom of information act disclosures, I will still want to know.

As for the good guy...Kerry is miles better than Bush but I think we can all agree he is no saint, so maybe the not-quite-completely-good-but-better-than-what-we-got guy will win...

And what do you have against third parties? Of course they're trying to use this to enhance their own visibility and image among progressives. But so what? If you think anyone does anything in public for purely altruistic motives, you should believe in the tooth fairy.

Sorry for jumping on top of you, just couldn't resist...trying to get into DU and there seems to be a tradition of jumping on top of whoever has anything remotely negative to say about a Kerry restoration.
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:44 PM
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10. Hee Hee
Not to worry,masshole1979....I gotta wonder about THAT sobriquet.....I've a thick skin and besides I AM a third party guy.Just where do you see any negative reference to Kerry?

Do you want a couple?
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:31 PM
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8. to believe bush won -- the media is trying to sell the idea
that at the very last minute ALL the people who were exit polled voted for ONLY bush.

At 7:32 p.m., there were 1,963 respondents; at 1:41 a.m. on November 3, there was a final total of 2,020 respondents. These fifty-seven additional respondents must all have voted very powerfully for Bushfor while representing only a 2.8 percent increase in the number of respondents, they managed to produce a swing from Kerry to Bush of fully 6.5 percent.

In Florida, the exit polls appear to have been tampered with in a similar manner. At 8:40 p.m. EST, CNN was reporting exit polls that showed Kerry and Bush in a near dead heat. Women voters (54 percent of the total) preferred Kerry over Bush by 52 percent to 48 percent, while men (46 percent of the total) preferred Bush over Kerry by 52 percent to 47 percent, with 1 percent of their votes going to Nader. But the final update of the exit poll, made at 1:01 a.m. EST on November 3, showed a different pattern: women voters now narrowly preferred Bush over Kerry, by 50 percent to 49 percent, while the men preferred Bush by 53 percent to 46 percent, with 1 percent of the vote still going to Nader. These figures gave Bush a 4 percent lead over Kerry.

The number of exit poll respondents in Florida had risen only from 2,846 to 2,862. But once again, a powerful numerical magic was at work. A mere sixteen respondents0.55 percent of the total numberproduced a four percent swing to Bush.

What we are witnessing, the evidence would suggest, is a late-night contribution by the National Elections Pool to the rewriting of history.


Footprints of Electoral Fraud:
The November 2 Exit Poll Scam
by Michael Keefer
www.globalresearch.ca 5 November 2004
The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/KEE411A.html

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:05 AM
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15. Your referring to the billionaire owned-republican run corporate media?
I am you sure studied the information that came out of independent sources as it pertained Venezuela and Hugo. Many people over there seemed to had been saying that it got so bad with the smears that when they turned on the TV tube it was more like a porno-horror flick.

The problem there, unlike here, a much smaller percentage had TVs. The newspapers are not quite as effective, but they still put them to good use for their corrupt purposes.

Garbage in - garbage out

Who Owns What
http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners /

P.s. I know a lot of old time DUers know this stuff, but just trying to pick up the main points for some newbies
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Smirking_Chimp Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 08:10 PM
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12. That data could never be manipulated.
Imagine people with laptops and modems altering machine data with a Windows program, how ridiculous. Wait a minute, I do that at work, everyday. :argh:
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:36 AM
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14. To believe Bush won the election, you must also believe
In Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy.
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danfromqueens Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:13 PM
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16. hmmm
3. That women were much more likely to be polled early in the day in Florida and Ohio. That is another reason why the exit polls were wrong in those states. In those states in which the exit polls were correct to within one percent, women did not come out early.

well it might be because maybe more working 9 to 5 people vote republican. maybe not just a women issue, just who has time to be waiting on a 2-3 hour line at midday. just a theory
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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:24 PM
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17. To believe * won the election...
You must believe in the concept of a "Virgin Birth". O8)
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:51 PM
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18. The Immaculate Election.
nt
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