The 2008 Scam is Working

[BeFree]

The voting machines were rigged just enough to allow Obama to win and put a few Dems in office.

Kinda put down the argument we were all making, didn't it?

Then in 2010 the machines were rigged to get rid of a bunch of Dems.

I predict that in 2012 Obama will be allowed to win but the congress and more states go red, just like a bunch of states turned more red in 2010.

And really, who gives a shit but a few 'conspiracy nuts' like me?

[On the Road]

1. We All Know About Bev Harris

And TruthisAll, for all his conviction, was utterly confused about the mathematics and polling data.

Believing that Gore won Florida, as I do, is well within the bounds of political history. Ascribing every election result to long-term plans of a cabal, however, is another.

[Trajan]

2. Dismissing all concerns about remotely accessible voting machines

as the exclusive province of 'conspiracy theorists' is mean spirited and fallacious ...

FACT: There are groups of individuals that DO have long term plans for dominating the political sphere .... Hell WE do here as well ... To deny such groups exist is a ridiculous assertion - This is the goal of every political party - To gain power and hold it for as long as possible ...

FACT: Believe it or not, there are people who will behave without ethics to promote their own agenda .... The jails are full of them ....

FACT: The voting machines in use today have been PROVEN to be amenable to those who would wish to commit fraud, if given a chance to do so ...

FACT: The integrity of the vote depends on close monitoring of access - This aspect requires POSITIVE evidence that access has not been compromised .... Something that is rarely provided ...

Hence, it is perfectly rational for someone to question the validity of elections performed without proof of integrity .... That concern is completely warranted ...

Your comment seems more of an abusive ad hominem than a statement of fact ....

[BeFree]

4. Eh?

Do you know what ES&S is?

Do you know about HAVA and the $4 Billion for voting machines?

I'd say that it is not TIA who was confused, but that you are, and that "Cabal" has you right where they want you.
Or you can answer the above questions and we can discuss the answers to see just how confused you might be.

But for some reason I expect no cogent reply.......

[Angry Dragon]

3. Time to get rid of all the machines

paper was good enough for the Founding Fathers

[Stevepol]

5. Conspiracy nut checking in.

Except I don't really believe in conspiracies: I believe in facts.

FACT 1: It is impossible to have a democracy when the vote is counted in total secrecy without verification

FACT 2: About 80% (and probably more) of the vote in American is counted in total secrecy without verification or adequate verification.

FACT 3: EVMs are "trivially easy" to hack, patch, mis-program, maliciously program, etc. and if any of these happen, it's next to impossible to find out since there's no verification (see Fact 2).

FACT 4: A certain percentage of human beings in all races and all countries will cheat if given the chance to advance their own causes or pad their pocketbooks, especially if there's almost no chance of getting caught (see Facts 1 & 2). Ergo, these EVMs have almost certainly been maliciously programmed in the past and will continue to be so programmed as long as human beings do the programming.

[BeFree]

8. Howdy, Stevepol. good to see ya again

You always have firm facts at the ready..... have ya been making headway out there?
Or like me; just beating my head against the wall.

[Stevepol]

10. The latter, and it's a brick wall, definitely not padded.

One good thing, maybe our heads have developed callouses. I think mine has.

[glinda]

6. We need to make sure the next elections are totally traceable and legal. I have no doubt that

MN. was totally rigged here and there. No doubt.

[ISUGRADIA]

11. Which elections were rigged in MN in 2010?

I've heard the same claims about the 2002 Mondale-Coleman race which made no sense.

[GeorgeGist]

7. Rove knew the Repubs couldn't win the Presidency in 2008 ...

so he threw McCain a bone. And made sure Hillary lost the nomination to Obama.

That's my CT.

[BeFree]

9. A link to something I agree with

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=297537&mesg_id=297715

[BeFree]

12. They are laughing at us

They have us bent over the voting machines and we are being fucked.

[BeFree]

13. GD thread... moved to 9/11 forum

Link to discussion:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x317639

[BeFree]

14. Another GD link... its fun! "No Proof Machines Alter Elections""

There is no evidence

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1529723