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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 03:30 PM
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This looks like a good idea - or NOT!

William Kelleher

Internet Voting is Coming to the USA

Sunday, Sept. 19
11 a.m. at CFI-L.A.
4:30 p.m. in Costa Mesa*

Surprisingly, Internet voting is not new to the United States. First, there were small trials in the 2000 presidential election. In 2004, the Department of Defense (DoD) was ready to host the largest Internet voting trial in US history for 100,000 overseas civilian and military voters from seven states who had volunteered. Then, four computer scientists publicly alleged that the project, called "SERVE" (secure electronic registration and voting experiment), had security flaws, and the project was shelved. Now, the momentum towards increasing the use of Internet voting is picking up again.

Discussing the once and future history of Internet voting is Dr. William Kelleher. This November, 33 states and the District of Columbia will use some form of online voting for their overseas population. DoD plans to reinstate its SERVE program for 2012. If all goes well this year, some states will begin domestic trials, and more states will offer online voting for their citizens overseas. Besides convenience, Internet voting offers an opportunity to further democratize U.S. elections. But concerns over security still linger.

Dr. Kelleher, who earned his Ph. D. in political science from the University of California, Santa Barbara, in 1984, is the author of two books on American politics. The New Election Game (1987), which discussed the history of presidential election reform and expanded on Buckminster Fuller's idea of voting from home by telephone, was made obsolete by personal computers and the cell phone. Kelleher also wrote Progressive Logic, which discusses the principles and methods used by American progressives to criticize government policies, practices, and laws. He is currently working on a book on Internet voting.

*This lecture will be repeated at 4:30 p.m. at the Costa Mesa Community Center at 1845 Park Avenue, Costa Mesa. map
Hosted by the CFI Community of Orange County.

Friends of the Center: Free
Public: $8
Students: $4

William J. Kelleher, Ph.D.
Political Scientist, author, speaker,
CEO for The Internet Voting Research and Education Fund, a CA Nonprofit Foundation

Blog: /
Book in progress: All chapter drafts for my new book can be read/downloaded
(for free) at

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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-10 03:32 PM
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1. Seems like security would be a big issue. - n/t
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 07:57 PM
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2. It IS!!! Oh for Pete's sake, Internet Voting is paperless voting machines on STEROIDS!

Internet voting is not safe.

Our elections are NOT Dancing With The Stars.

Internet voting (now and for the foreseeable future) has NO verifiability that votes are counted as cast. No auditability. No recountability. NONE. Not to mention all the "undesirable" voters who can't access the internet so they would be disenfranchised. It's a Karl Rove wet dream -- or worse.

A voter-marked, voter-verified paper ballot to protect every vote is the ONLY way right now.

Internet voting is NOT safe.

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Bill_Kelleher Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:57 PM
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4. Yes Internet Voting has been Proven to be Safe!
Internet voting has a long history of success in Canada, Europe, and the US.
Since 2000 it has been tried in these places. Inc Alaska, when Repubs used it. Arizona, when Dems used it, and Mich/Dems too.
Read my stuff, and Electronic Elections, by Hall and Alvarez
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Bill_Kelleher Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 03:52 PM
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3. Interest in Internet Voting is Growing
Thanks for posting this, Althecat. I also recently gave a talk about Internet voting to a group of rocket scientists at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, CA. They asked a lot of apt questions. Good thing they didn't ask me about rocket science!

I also have articles in two of the Sunday editions of the Pasadena Star News. Go to their site and search "William Kelleher."* Good discussions in the comments.

*Same name for FB, be a friend! wjkno1 on Twitter, follow me!
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-10 07:22 PM
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5. Anti freeze tastes good but you shouldn't drink it. Same for internet voting
Kelleher - no creds on issue of internet voting, internet security, computer science, nothing

and his ideas go against anything creditable experts say.

He's persistent but wrong wrong wrong.
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