Please DU Lou Dobbs "voter id" poll

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

Lower right hand side:

QuickVote
Do you believe all voters must be required to show proof of citizenship before they can vote?
Yes 97% 769
No 3% 22
Total Votes: 791

This is not a scientific poll

http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/

[bbinacan]

1. I voted yes.

You must be a US citizen to vote. What's the problem with this?

[alstephenson]

3. Never mind.....

It's requiring the PROOF of being a US citizen. I guess you've fallen for the "voter fraud" meme. It's election fraud you should be worried about.

[bbinacan]

4. Never mind is right and

if you have to be a US citizen to LEGALLY vote, what's the problem with showing that? BTW, the term meme is getting very old. Using it doesn't make one appear well read. It makes them look like a lemming. What do advocate?

[alstephenson]

6. Never mind....

Meme: Any unit of cultural information, such as a practice or idea, that is transmitted verbally or by repeated action from one mind to another. It may be "old", but it definitely fits. Can you say "voter suppression"? BTW, BTW is getting old. Geez. :eyes:

[bbinacan]

11. How is it voter suppression?

meme is derived from the Greek "mimos" mimics. Hence lemming. Try thinking rationally and for yourself.

[EFerrari]

7. The problem is that poor, disabled and elderly US Citizens

have trouble getting their papers in hand. You offering to give them all rides and cash and to stand in line for them all. Great.

[bbinacan]

9. Well how in the

hell are they able to get to the polls?

[EFerrari]

10. Exactly. The voter ID law makes what is already hard much harder. n/t

[Usrename]

12. It's only a problem for those who don't have proof of citizenship.

Here is some of what some of the experts have to say:

>>>>

IV. Voter Fraud And The Press For Photo Id

The most common example of the harm wrought by imprecise and inflated claims of “voter fraud” is the
call for in-person photo identification requirements. Such photo ID laws are effective only in preventing
individuals from impersonating other voters at the polls — an occurrence more rare than getting struck by
lightning.16

By throwing all sorts of election anomalies under the “voter fraud” umbrella, however, advocates for such
laws artificially inflate the apparent need for these restrictions and undermine the urgency of other reforms.

>>

Royal Masset, the former political director for the Republican Party of Texas, concisely tied all of these strands
together in a 2007 Houston Chronicle article concerning a highly controversial battle over photo identification
legislation in Texas. Masset connected the inflated furor over voter fraud to photo identification laws and their
expected impact on legitimate voters:

Among Republicans it is an “article of religious faith that voter fraud is causing us to lose elections,”
Masset said. He doesn’t agree with that, but does believe that requiring photo IDs could cause
enough of a dropoff in legitimate Democratic voting to add 3 percent to the Republican vote.17

>>>>

Allegations of Voter Fraud by Noncitizens

We are not aware of any documented cases in which individual noncitizens have either intentionally registered
to vote or voted while knowing that they were ineligible. Given that the penalty (not only criminal
prosecution, but deportation)130 is so severe, and the payoff (one incremental vote) is so minimal for any
individual voter, it makes sense that extremely few noncitizens would attempt to vote, knowing that doing
so is illegal.

Although there are a few recorded examples in which noncitizens have apparently registered or voted, investigators
have concluded that they were likely not aware that doing so was improper. In one highly publicized
case, for example, noncitizens were given voter registration forms by a group helping them through the naturalization
process, immediately after successfully completing citizenship interviews with federal officials and
receiving letters beginning “Congratulations, your application for citizenship has been approved.”131 Though
the actual swearing-in ceremonies were still up to 90 days away, these individuals most likely mistakenly
thought it their obligation and privilege to complete the paperwork, and did not intentionally fabricate their
citizenship status in front of federal officials who knew that they were noncitizens.


PDF Warning:http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/pdf/TruthAboutVoterFraud.pdf

Basically, they are saying that they have never even heard of a case where an illegal has intentionally tried to vote. It just does not happen. So they offer a solution without a problem. Only their solution hurts Democratic turnout.

Now do you understand?

[bbinacan]

14. No I don't understand.

To me it's quite simple. Verification. When I vote, all have to do is give them my name and address. Hell, when I was 16 I wish I could've done that in a bar to get a beer.

[alstephenson]

16. Duh. You're missing a step. Remember the part where you

REGISTER to vote??? That's when citizenship status is proven. Again, never mind.

[bbinacan]

20. See reply #19. n/t

[Usrename]

18. What's wrong with that?

"When I vote, all have to do is give them my name and address."

What is wrong with that?

[bbinacan]

19. How do they know it's me

and not someone else? True story. My next door neighbor is a republican. I asked him who he would be voting in the 04 elections. I already knew but was surprised when he said that he would vote for Bush but would be out of the country. Absentee ballot? He forgot about it and didn't have time to get one. He left a few days before the vote and I could have gone to the polls and voted as him. I know his name and address

[alstephenson]

15. Thanks for putting this together....

But I'm not sure our friend in Texas will ever understand.

[stillcool]

5. you must be a U.S citizen..

to register to vote. When you show up at the polls and everyone has to show ID, it becomes a problem. Students, Older people, and others who do not have drivers licenses are not allowed to vote. Like the nuns in one of the last elections, that have been voting at the same place for eons. I think one was like 80. Turned away.

[tbyg52]

2. Oh dear. K,R,&done, but

I don't think there's much hope for that one....

[EFerrari]

8. I know. That's one sad, sad poll. n/t

[Usrename]

13. You know, it makes you wonder sometimes....

How many of those assclowns that voted "yes" don't even have any proof of citizenship themselves, and they don't even know it?

[EFerrari]

17. Yep. Maybe some of them think their driver's license works.

:shrug: