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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 03:37 AM
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Hey, You: NH Chaos Represents Opportunity (Don't miss it)
This is a truncated version of this thread, based on this blog post.

I've said many times that we are not having elections but rather events that closely resemble elections. Similarly, this isn't as much about whether or not to have a "re-count" as it is about "counting all the ballots."

I appreciate Nancy Tobi's point that a re-count can be self-affirming as a stamp of approval. But the really important thing to realize is that this is the very thing we should seek to take on, and in as many ways as possible. This idea that some modicum of public acceptance will settle in and endure to future elections is the very thing that we are now poised to prevent, the biggest framing opportunity this side of Busby/Bilbray.

The idea is inherent uncertainty. From before the polls even opened, we knew with certainty the outcome would be uncertain, indeterminate, unknowable, necessarily inconclusive. It is time for everyone to see this as an intentional component of the joint government/media effort to keep the public divided. There is no need for any further primary "elections" when we know now in advance of them all that they too will fail to produce unanimous acceptance of the reported results.

As I see it, it doesn't matter whether the "recount" plan goes forward or not. Either way it is just part of the same opportunity for us. Raise your hand if you've been reading Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine." The disorientation occurring right now, this instant, is precisely our window of opportunity to act with the ideas we have lying around. We The People are long overdue to withdraw our consent. Do not accept the results of this election. Take action to prevent local Registrars (or equivalents) from certifying results.

We can seize this moment and define the story being told. We should invoke again, if perhaps with a slight edit, the stance dozens of groups took in response to the CA-50 "election" in June 2006. From the California Election Protection Network's Voter's Resolution of No Confidence, written here at WDNC:
We, The People, DO NOT CONSENT to transferring power and authority to candidates claiming victory in this illegitimate election. We will do everything within our Constitutional and Human Rights to protect and preserve possession of this power that is inalienably Ours to be given but never taken away.
Public officials have been nakedly acting against the interest of the greater good for far too long and they are now cornered. Will we continue to let them take advantage of us, to assume they have our consent?

Ray Raphael is an historian here in Humboldt County and he's written many books. I read his "First American Revolution" and learned that by 1776, much of the Revolution had already taken place. Raphael describes a resistance tactic mirrored throughout the colonies where courts were shut down by citizens who forced judges to rule by locally written charters. The alternative for the judges who wanted to continue under King's Law was often public humiliation such as tar and feathering.

I'm not sure what the modern equivalent would be but it has to involve preventing legitimacy from being conferred upon faith-based results of secretly counted "elections." My advice to Nancy is to think more about now than the future.

"If we don't take action now, we settle for nothing later. We'll settle for nothing now, and we'll settle for nothing later." --Rage Against The Machine
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 04:38 AM
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1. I posted this to one of Garybecks threads, what do you think?
MSM propaganda "Obama double digit lead" ?

they set us up, Hillary "the come back kid" comes back to win.

Election reform activist go crazy demanding a recount. Why? BECAUSE WE LISTENED TO THE MEDIA (ONCE AGAIN), OBAMA NEVER REALLY HAD A DOUBLE DIGIT LEAD!

My opinion, the recount moves forward, whether it proves that the count was right or wrong has nothing to do with this particular SCAM.

This scam has all to do with convincing the people that HR 811 Paper ballots with audits is the way to go.

HOLT HR 811 IT IS NOT THE WAY TO GO!!!

This is a set up to get Holts HR 811 bill passed, nothing more nothing less.


Propaganda machine:

1)Everything in the recount turns out all right...thank goodness we had paper ballots to audit the machine count.

OR...

2)Obama actually won there was machine error...thank goodness we had paper ballots to audit the machines count

THEN...

3)Holt HR 811 IS GREAT because it gives us a paper ballot to audit.

And then...

4)The activist were right we do need paper ballots so that we can do a double check of the SECRET VOTE COUNT MACHINES.

If that wasn't enough...

5)That great site Moveon made it all possible by gathering 3.5 million signatures to have a paper ballots for all votes cast.

In the end WE LOSE, THE SECRET VOTE COUNTING MACHINES REMAIN IN PLACE.

HAND COUNT THE PAPER BALLOTS IN THE FIRST PLACE

My two cents, and I've been wrong before..........

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x493383#493394

K&R...

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 08:21 AM
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2. Tar and feathering! I think I like that idea-- if it is applied to election officials,
legislators, judges and party leaders who approve 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting by rightwing Bushite corporations, and to the CEO's and P.R. flaks of the dirty, devious, criminal corporations that have shoved these crapass, insecure, highly riggable machines upon us. It's what they deserve--to be humiliated and ostracized from our beautiful (but struggling) democracy!

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"Raphael describes (an early American Revolution) resistance tactic mirrored throughout the colonies where courts were shut down by citizens who forced judges to rule by locally written charters. The alternative for the judges who wanted to continue under King's Law was often public humiliation such as tar and feathering."--GuvWurld

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YES!

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The modern equivalent: Force them to give us our money back! All of it! From the war! From the multiple tax cuts for the rich! From the outright thievery and the no bid contracts! From all the CONSEQUENCES of "trade secret" vote counting! And from all the billions wasted on these expensive "black box" voting systems! And from all the bribes and lobbying junkets that accompanied it all! Compensation, right out of their pockets! Tarring and feathering doesn't go far enough. Prosecution and jail don't go far enough. Pay it back! NOW!

And strip them of their right to vote! Ha!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-13-08 10:51 AM
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3. The fqact that elections are set up to be unverifiable beyond pathetic, it's criminal...
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