Whether you AGREE, DISAGREE or ARE SKEPTICAL, OPPOSE banishment of election fraud discussion

[cloudythescribbler]

Here are just TWO examples of SOLID evidence that there at least MIGHT have been election fraud in NH (yes, Virginia, Democrats are capable of it too, as in Ohio 04)

THREE REASONS TO START WITH (how do moderators SPECIFICALLY refute them, and what about freedom of discussion)?:

(1)http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x490777

(2)Chart showing correlation of divergence b/t polls and results AND TYPE OF VOTING MACHINE USED (in one of the comments at thread cited above):

why they seem to only poll correctly in hand counted areas.

polling to hand counts = correct
exit polling to hand counts = correct


polling to machine counts = error
exit polling to machine counts = error


Real patriots ask questions.

(3) Chris Matthews cites discrepancy of EXIT polls, not just FINAL polls, and reported results
(note, as discussed on thread, how further "weighting" of exit polls routinely adjusts them to equal outcome, so as to cover any possible indication of election fraud)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=490592&mesg_id=490592

[Xipe Totec]

1. Your source is tweetie bird?

:rofl:

[surfermaw]

3. What Fraud

If people would listen to what CNN is saying and what they don't say then you would know there wasn't fraud



Hillary Clinton won in N.H...BECAUSE she or Bill knew where to campaign on the last couple of days and who to send in to campaign... Bill Clinton was in the Counties where the collegs were, he was able to get enough student to change from Obama to Clinton. By the way, where was Edward and Richardson campaning on the last day and hours? they may have also pulled college votes. I am ashamed to say I don't know which county Edwards campaigned in although I very much support him and will till the last dog comes home...You have to hand it to Bill Clinton, he knows how to win he was welltaught deep in the south, where winning primaries us a skill that you learn early in the deep south.

[riqster]

8. No one knows if there was fraud or wasn't

CNN doesn't know. Skinner doesn't know. I don't. You don't. The BOEs in NH don't.

The only people who DO know are the Dominionist Republicans who count the votes using secret software. The rest of us can only guess.

[cloudythescribbler]

4. He's A source not THE source nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

2. I've concluded that the only mechanism to promote this discussion is by recommending. n/t

[FlyingSquirrel]

5. Smart Democrats know when to say when...

and the process of choosing our nominee is not the time to have dozens of threads in GD and GDP about this. Yes, by all means speak up - in the Election Reform forum. But don't give the Repugs ammo to use against us at this critical time. Moving the debate to a private forum is the right move for now (and since you don't seem to have a majority of DU on your side, you probably should respect the decision of the mods which I'm sure was not made lightly.)

[bleever]

6. *ahem* The Election Reform forum is not a leper colony.

It's a vibrant and vital part of DU.

(But I do appreciate the general sentiment.)

[cloudythescribbler]

7. it IS a banishment, B/C moderators felt (AND SAID) issue was unworthy

Let's not be more royalist than the king (or queen). Skinner herself made clear that the moderators asserted (w/o specific arguments) that NONE of the evidence of fraud was credible, that the topic was "divisive" etc.

IT IS a banishment if you look up the skinner thread (recent)

[riqster]

9. That's MISTER Leper to all y'all, thank you very much

Really, the problem is that not enough DUers read in ER compared to GD or GD-P.

[Bitwit1234]

10. HA HA HA HA MATTHEWS ONLY COUNTS WHEN

he is for their candidate...any other time he sucks. Just wait til he makes a disparging remark about Obama and they will not only mess their pants they picket MSNBCfor ten years.

[newburgh]

11. Banishing BradBlog story on DU? What CRAP!!!!

No one, NO ONE, has fought to try to make people understand the potential for election fraud as hard and consistently as Brad Friedman. To ban a legitimate story from a source that has legitimate questions about a mysterious, er, excuse-ridden upset is bullshit. Silly me, for some reason I thought the Democratic Party understood accountability. How is it damaging to the Democratic Party to ask legitimate questions and why is DU so fearful of an open discussion on the possibilities?

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5538



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