Nader Recount: How will they recount Diebold's e-voting system?

[sandboxface]

My understanding is that you CANNOT verify votes with these machines. They just run the numbers again and you get the same result every time. Is this a legal issue Nader hopes to contest???

[Eloriel]

1. You can if they're optical scanners

And I think some of them are. Diebold and OptiScan?? I dunno -- check out some of the NH links here:

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

VOTE FRAUD Links Compendium - Thread #2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x3223

[Omaha Steve]

2. These particular machines

have a paper trail. Fraud will stand out like a sore thumb!

[Journeyman]

3. Same way they counted the votes the first time. . .

Determine how many votes are needed to get the result you need, then divide that number among the available machines. Sprinkle a few opposition numbers here and there, rig it so a machine or three "loses" your cause (can't have the fix look too good), then announce the success of your campaign. It's quite simple, after all, once you have the keys to the machine.

[Cocoa]

4. New Hampshire law requires paper ballots

so the recount can count those.

[sandboxface]

9. My understanding is he picked a mix of touch screen and paper ballot wards

Now my question is: do the Diebold Accuvote machines have a paper trail? I thought they were all paperless.


this info is from anoher post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=45610

Nader requested hand recounts in Litchfield, Sandown, Newton, Danville, Salem, Pelham, one ward in Somersworth and four wards in Manchester.

According to this site http://www.sos.nh.gov/voting%20machines.htm
this is the voting method in each of these 11 wards:

Litchfield: Diebold Accuvote
Sandown: Optech Optical Scan
Newton: Diebold Accuvote
Danville: Optech Optical Scan
Salem: Optech Optical Scan
Pelham: Optech Optical Scan
Somersworth: Diebold Accuvote
Manchester: Diebold Accuvote


Nader has chosen the PERFECT Wards in NH to expose Voter Fraud!

[Cocoa]

12. per your link, they all have paper trails

None are touchscreens.

http://www.sos.nh.gov/voting%20machines.htm

On the Accuvote ballot, the voter fills in an oval which is placed next to a candidate's name.
After voting, the voter places the ballot in an optical scanning machine which will read all votes
cast on that ballot.

On the Optech ballot, the voter completes an arrow which is placed next to a candidate's name.
After voting, the voter places the ballot in an optical scanning machine which will read all votes
cast on that ballot.

All other municipalities in New Hampshire use paper ballots, where the voter marks an X in a box printed next to a candidate's name. Votes are counted by hand.

[sandboxface]

14. Thanks.. I thought...

I was running under the assumption that Accuvote machines are touch screen. I should have check out the link.

[Francine Frensky]

5. That's why this whole "recount" is doomed to failure

folks, your vote on election day went into a black box and disappeared forever. Maybe they counted it, maybe they didn't, WE WILL NEVER KNOW!!!!

I don't know why people are bothering with this recount baloney.

[peabody71]

6. WRONG!!!

These precincts used optical scan with tabulation computers. There is paper!!!

[txindy]

7. Look at the other threads on this issue

The recount in NH has a complete paper trail. The recount will be done by hand. If the hand total matches the machine total, then fine. But if it doesn't,...

In other states, 'spoiled' ballots are ONLY counted by hand and then only when a recount is requested.

There are other cases. These are only two significant ways recounts matter. Call me an optimist, but I think having a recount in areas where the total of votes exceeds the total of eligible voters might just be in order. Don't you? ;)

[rock]

8. Even in BBV

you can at least count the number of signatures and compare to the machines totals. So as to avoid those situations with 500 voters and 4500 votes for bushsucks!

[sandboxface]

11. Are you saying there were over votes in NH???

I haven't heard that. I thought the issue Nader was contesting was exit polls VS machine results.

[TexasChick]

15. I think there was overvotes. Kerry was leading by double digits on the

exit polls before NH was called. When it was called, he only lead by 1%! How is that possible unless the Chimp got extra votes?

[Magical]

10. Log Books

Log books are important also.
Anyone who voted at a precinct signed in.

This at least gives voter totals which can be compared with precinct totals. Also, potentially, spot checks could be done on how people voted.

I read 'Katherine' Blackwell was trying to prevent access to the Ohio logbooks. Now why would the good ole boy want to do that ? Think he's hiding the TRUTH ?

[wlubin]

13. I remember reading somewhere that NH has very strict laws that require

a verifiable paper trail for all voting systems. So based on that I would think that the black boxes in NH do have a paper print out. Maybe someone from NH who is a democrat can comment on this. If you are a repub who voted in NH then KMA, I don't want to hear your dumb noise.

[idiosyncratic]

16. You don't get an exit poll vs. "actual vote" result like this

without FRAUD:

[jsamuel]

17. I am concerned that the exit polls were right, but not that right....

I am concerned that Kerry will get a 3% boost by a recount, but that will be taken by the media as "proving the exit polls wrong" even though that would mean that massive fraud had to have taken place...

Make sure we are ready when this info comes out...

[pointsoflight]

18. The first thing to point out...

Is that with a 3% boost in other states, Kerry wins the electoral college in a landslide and wins the popular vote, too.

[jsamuel]

19. Exactly, that is why we need to be ready and make sure that is the story

We all know the media may take it either way, so it is up to us to make them go with the 3% in other states thing.