Brad Blog: Busby/Bilbray Election: EMERGENCY TOWNHALL MEETINGS

[Wilms]

http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=2998

[Greeby]

1. Could this be the one that blows the whole election fraud machine apart?

One hopes :bounce:

[EFerrari]

2. Geezus! It's a GFO -- golden fing opportunity!

Can we get some DUers to rate this uP

:bounce:

[Kajsa]

3. I just did- it should hit 5 votes- putting it front and center.

This is too big- the vote was rigged, everyone suspected it,
now, they can hopefully prove it!!

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[EFerrari]

4. Thank you! Really! Let's pm everyone we can.

We are being handed an opportunity to save CA.

Please let's use it.

:toast:

[autorank]

5. "NOTHING LESS THAN DEMOCRACY!" I love my home state.

You Californians, all of you, are the very best. When you get going, the entire ballgame is over.
The crooks will have their tails between their legs and nobody will every take a voting machine
home for a sleep over again;)

Go for it you do not consent, I do not consent, none of us consent to this nonsense anymore.

[Tigress DEM]

36. Here Here! I thought that was an awesome quote.

It would make a great bumper sticker!



NOTHING LESS THAN DEMOCRACY!

[Me.]

6. Here's A K & R For Some Very Nice News

*shadow government*

[EFerrari]

8. Good things happen. Let's pay attention to them!

:toast:

[Gregorian]

7. Thank you so much, you guys! k/r

Bless you all for your tenacity. You've stayed on this and on this. All I did was write letters. You guys are actually on the gound. It gives me a much needed optimism.

[EFerrari]

9. Gregorian! The excrement is hitting the rotating member!

Let's open ALL the windows!

:toast:

[Gregorian]

10. :)

Yep. Let's hope it sticks. Ewwww.

It's fricking 90 here! My winders are closed.

We've all been through the mill. It's close to breaking point. And yes, this is starting to hot up, as they say.

[EFerrari]

11. You must be getting my sun, which is awol here

despite the propaganda.

Earlier this week, I walked on Ocean Beach at 8:30 pm and there were families and kids and assorted roughnecks out on the beach -- bodysurfing and burning animal flesh and mostly agape at the nice hot at sunset.

:)

[fooj]

12. Filthy, crooked rat bastards!

McPherson still hasn't certified this yet...f'ing criminals.

I hate these SOB's with the intensity of 1000 suns!:grr:

[EFerrari]

14. Me, too. And one more sun!

:mad:

[acmavm]

13. C,mon California, bring the truth about the voting machines into the

homes of Mr. & Mrs. John Q. Public. It's way past time this issue got the attention it deserves.

[Einsteinia]

33. Here's a California response

See California Election Protection Network's press release, which links to our "NO Confidence Resolution."

http://www.califelectprotect.net/

[corbett]

15. All Americans Can Help This Effort And At No Cost

http://www.pfaw.org/go/VRApetition

[Tigress DEM]

32. Here is the direct link http://www.velvetrevolution.us

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/content/busby-bilbray/busby-bilbray.php


<snip>

DECLARE NO CONFIDENCE!

PETITION TO DEMAND THE SAN DIEGO COUNTY REGISTRAR OF VOTERS CONDUCT A 100% COUNT OF THE BALLOTS IN THE BUSBY-BILBRAY SPECIAL ELECTION TO ENSURE CONFIDENCE IN THE RESULTS


Illegal Voting Machines Used In Busby-Bilbray Race Requires Immediate Hand Count To Verify Results.


It has come to my attention that the Busby-Bilbray special election in CA-50 on June 6th was conducted on Diebold voting machines, many if not all of which were left unsecured in the homes, cars and offices of poll workers in the weeks prior to the election. Diebold touchscreen and optical scan machines have been proven by California's own Secretary of State to be unreliable in the field and vulnerable to hacking in unsecure environments. Because improper procedures were used in this election, no one has proof that these machines were not subject to memory card switches or other easy tampering techniques such as manipulating the counters. Americans deserve to know their elections are counted accurately. No matter the results.



I signed the pettition:

My personal note:

Americans everywhere are concerned with the integrity of our voting process.

Any politician who seriously claims to represent WE THE PEOPLE should also be concerned with any type of impropriety around election and any potential for vote tampering by anyone entrusted with counting or otherwise able to influence the outcome of an election contrary to the will of the people who voted.

[IndyOp]

40. Sign this Voting Rights Act petition, too! Reauthorize the VRA by July 4!

:kick:

[Techno Dog]

16. Wonder why Busby won't be there? n/t

[cascadiance]

18. Has she said that she won't?

She's been pretty incommunicado with many folks out here now. I'm a bit disappointed too, but there are many factors at work here, and I'm not ready to write off her explanation for not being high profile on this just yet.

[Techno Dog]

19. Busby won't be there

No way, no how.

She made a statement that dismissed Brad's claims the results were in doubt. She said she was looking to improve on her results in November. She called the special election a dry run or something like that.

I don't think she wants to get labeled a kook by attending a meeting that insinuates the results are in question.

Right or wrong I think that's her position.

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[Techno Dog]

21. What's your motive for questioning my motive?

I don't appear to have the answer, I gave my opinion. Not THE reason.

Besides, if neither of the two candidates are present what's the point of a town hall questioning the results?

Not even Busby's campaign workers are questioning the results. The fact she held the repuke to less than 50% is a victory in that district.

If the machines stole it how many votes do you think Busby got? I mean you must have an idea how many votes Busby should have received no?

Busby certainly did.

[EFerrari]

22. It's not their election to give away.

It's ours.

No?

[Techno Dog]

25. You are right of course.

Full disclosure I don't think 04 was stolen by machines. I'm far more concerned there are 60 million morans that voted for Bush and think we need to spend our efforts reducing that number as much as possible.

I don't disrespect those who do however as long as they show me the same consideration.

Given my belief, I look at CA 50 strategically when considering how best to take the seat in November. I also know Busby has some of the brightest Democrats in California working for her. If she doesn't think there was any hanky panky I'm inclined to agree. If she thinks getting into a public debate about stolen elections will give her opponent an avenue of attack that may dissuade moderate republicans who might otherwise vote for her I respect that and think our time is best spent working this from a procedural angle instead of a house on fire fraud debate.

My rss feed has been littered with provocative headlines about CA 50 from various voting reformers and I worry about any meeting, regardless of its advertised premise, devolving into partisan accusations of fraud, and anti-republican rhetoric that can be used to marginalize Busby supporters.

By no means do I think the system is without flaws, or that the machines are infallible, I just worry that strategy is often over looked when charting a course of action.

[EFerrari]

26. I understand and for me, anyway, it's been boiled down to simple.

Show me the votes.

[Tigress DEM]

34. Ohio's 20 electoral votes will always be in question.

It isn't JUST the machines that flipped votes for Kerry to either Bush or Nader.

It's also about voter registrations from Ken Blackwell's own office being rejected because after the fact he decided the huge amount of new DEM registrations should be on 80# paper instead of 60#.

It's about counting the last county in secret because of a supposed FBI warning of possible terrorist activity.

It's also people who spent 2-10 hours trying to get into the doors of primarily black DEM precincts that were purposely made difficult to correctly identify. If you can't get in the door, it doesn't matter if the machine works or not.

900 pages of legal evidence that these things happened to real people are on file in the Ohio court of law because Blackwell was so full of himself he tried to censure the attorneys who had the guts to call him on his illegal behavior.

This isn't made up stuff or sour grapes, this is a real question of what would the vote have been in Ohio if people had simply been able to cast their vote and have it fairly counted?

In America that shouldn't be too much to ask. After all we are exporting Democracy these days.

[Tigress DEM]

35. The POINT of the Town Hall is DEMANDING FAIR ELECTIONS.

The point is having a Democratic system that is actually held accountable to:

OF the people
BY the people
and
FOR the people

Turning America into a closet dictatorship run by the people with the money to buy election results is NOT ACCEPTABLE to the people in that district. So they are standing up and making noise - AS WE ALL SHOULD BE.

This BULLSHIT of taking a voting machine home with the poll workers is a blatent thumbing of the rethugs nose at the people's right to fair and honest elections and must be exposed for what it is.. election rigging.

Doesn't matter what the actual result is. It matters that these ASSHOLES think they can SCREW America and get away with it.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and this is TOO DAMM MUCH.


The amount of time those people had the machine they could have made duplicate election tapes so the paper trail could be made to match a doctored memory card. Did they do that? Who knows? In Florida 2004 Volousa(sp?) County tried to toss garbage bags full of election tapes with election judge signatures. When those bags were examined they were loaded with votes for Kerry. There were tapes in their possession for that had no election judge signatures - which meant they had been printed out after the fact.

If someone you suspect could be a child molester wants to take your daughter home, you tell him, "No." Might be a nice guy, but why does he want to take a little girl home?

Votes have been tampered with and these machines are vuneralbe. NO ONE should be taking them home. Our rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness may not mean much to a lot of people who just take them for granted, but SOME people see the attack for what it is and are standing up.

[Techno Dog]

37. I'll respond to both of your replies here

I'm know there are questions about ohio, and I agree the 'lock down' was shady business, but whether or not that rises to a stolen election is still in doubt so I'm not interested in using it to justify "Emergency Town Hall" for CA 50.

you say this....

"This BULLSHIT of taking a voting machine home with the poll workers is a blatant thumbing of the rethugs nose at the people's right to fair and honest elections and must be exposed for what it is.. election rigging."

I have one question. How many democratic poll workers took home machines?

[Tigress DEM]

39. I'm against rigging by either party - so it's a moot point.

What the town hall meeting is asking for is a count on an election that was run in a manner that is against the established law.

All I want to know is that the people of CA who took the time out to go vote got their votes fairly counted. I want to have verifiable, fair elections. WHAT do you have against that?

DEMS haven't had unbridled access to the companies who have the machines in play that can be tampered with, they are owned by Republicans. Those whose behavior in addition to utilizing questionable machines are inconsistent with fair election standards have been Republicans. Ken Blackwell, Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris for example.

DEMS don't have supeona power and there have been tons of election irregularities that make it nearly impossible to have a fair election.

To my mind that is completely backward and harkens back to the days of voter disenfranchizement that led to the 1965 Voters Act.

[Techno Dog]

41. No it's not moot at all

You said...

"This BULLSHIT of taking a voting machine home with the poll workers is a blatant thumbing of the rethugs nose at the people's right to fair and honest elections and must be exposed for what it is.. election rigging."

Now you say....

"DEMS haven't had unbridled access to the companies who have the machines in play that can be tampered with, they are owned by Republicans. Those whose behavior in addition to utilizing questionable machines are inconsistent with fair election standards have been Republicans. Ken Blackwell, Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris for example."

You can claim this is non-partisan all you want, but your rhetoric, Brad's rhetoric, and the flaming rhetoric in the 50+ headlines my rss reader has received since the election tell a much different story.

So I'll ask my question again and add another three.

How many Dem poll workers took machines home?
How many Dem SOS use voting machines?
How many Busby projections does Brad have indicating Bubsy got less votes than her internals projected?
How do you think a partisan town hall claiming stolen elections will help Busby in November?

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[Techno Dog]

47. Not surprising at all

that election reform is relegated to a sub forum and largely impotent in the real world, based on the answer you just gave me.

"Taking home the machines invalidated the voting process."

Why didn't Busby make noise before the election, are you implying she is in on the conspiracy, or her campaign team is incompetent?

"I can't help it if you are afraid of the truth."

Is this the type of argument you use when trying to influence people that can help you?

"But to answer your slanted anti-dem questions:"

Yea right, that statement just shows how little credibility your arguments have. You talk about truth but it is clear the only truth you will accept is one that validates conclusions you have already drawn. Much like cherry picking intelligence leading up to the illegal war.


How many Dem poll workers took machines home?
NONE that I know of, but the Town Hall you are so vehemently opposed to could answer that question.


Really, you think no democrats took machines home? What is the point of you paying $10 to go to a meeting to discuss things you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Why don't the organizers of this meeting give out this kind of information instead of information that leads you to make such idiotic statements like that, which if discussed seriously at any meeting media might attend will surely be spun to make Busby supports look like out of touch fear mongers.


Who cares? Projections are not results. All I want is to know that when an American (of any political flavor) walks into a voting booth that their vote is fairly counted.


I care. If Busby's campaign is saying she received more votes per precinct than her internals projected and wants Democrats to help her convince a few more moderate republicans to vote for her in November I think meetings like this will HURT that effort, and the organizers of this should start answering some questions of their own if they expect people to help them marginalize Busby's supporters with sensationalistic headlines, and thinly veiled partisan rhetoric based on unsubstantiated prejudices.

The author of these posts is presumably the organizer yet my questions in his two GD threads sit there unanswered.


"Grow up."

Yea, right. I'm not the one that believes the tooth fairy is going to deliver elections once the machines are secured. I get out, walk among the people, and I see the 60 million morons that voted for Bush.

They are the problem, not the boxes.

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[Techno Dog]

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Never at any time would it occur to me that voting machines would be held anywhere but in a secure facility until the time they were transported to the polling place because that is what the law requires.

Well you obviously weren't a poll worker, or a scrutineer. I have a question. In your ideal scenario who would have the keys to the secure location were all the machines are?

Why would Busby know ahead of time about an illegal decision made by someone else? I'm not implying any thing about Busby and neither am I claiming to know her mind.

Only a few people who make a living in the election reform movement are calling it an illegal decision. Busby had people working as polling workers as does any candidate. Just because they can't campaign in their rolls as poll workers doesn't mean they don't support one of the candidates. Busby obviously knew about Brad's sleep overs.

Still this town hall ($10 donation is NOT required. It says right on the flyer that no one is turned away.)

(from my unanswered GD questions)Can you really call it a town hall if you are charging $10 to get in? Doesn't the head tax kind of disqualify the most vulnerable to election shenanigans from attending the meeting? edit: yes I see the no one turned away, but many poor minorities avoid the stigmatization they fear will be attached to them when they have to explain to the door staff they don't have $10

You say you are trying to help me, then you call me an idiot. Right. Are you a former neo-con who is trying to show us the way? Because I just don't get how you think you are helping anyone by your defeatist statements.

No I asked you if thats how you spoke to people that can help you. As for the rest of your bullshit accusations all I can say is good luck with that approach. It is hilarious you call my statements defeatist when you are the one saying if you can't get the machines fixed we will never win. Considering people that hold meetings like this will need to find new jobs once the machines are 'fixed' I can assure you there will be people like you screaming the sky is falling as there have been since 17th century elections for quite some time regardless of the 'fixes' put in place.


Wanting to have a Town Hall meeting to determine what went wrong and get the votes hand counted so we can have confidence that the vote has been correctly recorded is idiotic? Funny in school they taught that as "due process."

When all of the candidates, their staffs, and the election officials have confidence in the results how many people objecting should be required before the CA 50 tax payers have to waste money satisfying their concerns. Give me a number.

I've gone to town hall meetings with Republicans and the meetings are helpful. If those in power see that the people are energized around an issue, they pay attention.

Great, so have I, the major difference here being there isn't a single person in 'power' scheduled to attend, yet you seem to think this meeting will a) change anything, and b) uncover any new information not flogged to death already in forums like this.

"but with all this ruckus being raised we have a better chance of getting the votes counted fairly in 2006 elections."

All the ruckus about CA 50 is coming from the usual players in the 'reform movement' nowhere else.

I don't know if you are sincerely a "handler" type that believes in "looking the right way and saying the right things" in order to defeat the rethugs or if you are a freeper trying to present poison pen posts.

I'm nether you horses ass, I resent the hell out of the fact you and people like you on this board need to label people that don't share your opinions as either a type of democrat you dislike, or a republican. Guess what sherlock, what ever kind of Dem I am the party wants my vote as much as yours so my opinion is AS valid as anything you can come up with.


If the DEMS were cheating, I'd be just as hot to get this recount. Winning by cheating isn't winning, it's called stealing an election.

Sure, but in Novemeber when the Dem's sweep the house and Lou "pump and dump" Dobbs starts saying the election was stolen based on the unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo people like you and Brad have been peddling for almost two years, will you march in the streets?

Hardly.

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[Techno Dog]

55. Unless

you can prove I ran and cried to anyone you should just assume others are as tired as I am of all the bullshit freeper accusations thrown around by people that can't handle dissenting opinions.

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[Techno Dog]

48. .

I don't know who you think you are talking to but your tone isn't going to win you any fiends or influence many people.

You may see my post above for most of the answers to your foolishness but one more here...

B) It specifically states in several places that no one is claiming fraud in the votes themselves, but letting this "taking home voting machines" precedent which is beyond moronic must be challenged.

Have you ever ONCE thought past Brad's propaganda? Why have ballot boxes gone home with poll works for decades? Can your closed mind even for one minute think of a reason other than convenience?

[Tigress DEM]

52. In the current situation, SOS Mc Phereson made the rules...

So whether or not taking home the machines has been a practice, the current law requires that one person is never left alone with a machine due to the ability to tamper with the machine to fix the results. People USED to be able to seal a deal with a handshake, but those days are gone.



http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calawquery?codesection=elec&codebody=transportation+of+voting+machines&hits=20

<snip>

1. failed to comply with California and federal regulations through the use of interpreted code, and through the security breach of poll workers keeping voting machines at their homes prior to election day;

2. violated chain of custody provisions and mitigation requirements mandated by Secretary of State Bruce McPherson as a condition of Diebold's certification, thus removing even the pretense of the machines' reliability and accuracy;

3. amounted to secret vote counting through the use of Diebold's proprietary programming;

4. lacked sufficient transparency for voters to verify the election's validity, based on the above;

[rumpel]

61. It is not the issue whether dems or repubs or any party took home

the machines.

You don't even know, whether unintentional compromise has occurred: such as kids spilling soda on the machine, dropping the machine, having it sit next to a magnetic source for days, some mindless workers showing friends and family how the machines work.
How do you guarantee such stupid incidents did not occur?

It is simply a matter of election integrity.


and it is also fact, that in 2004 there was "quite a lot" of repub dirty hands, witnessed and reported by ordinary citizens across the country.

We have not seen the conclusions of this yet, but we will. The citizens will make the final decision on the fate of our voting systems and nobody else, not politicians, not vendors and certainly not PR men of the latter.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

42. Link?

[Tigress DEM]

44. To what?

[AnotherMother4Peace]

46. To the statements alluded to in post #19

Hearsay is fine, & it often leads to the source. As a San Diego resident, this information is new to me. If there is a quote or issued statement I would love to see it.

And yeah, I'll be there at the mtg, with couple of friends.

[Tigress DEM]

49. Her statement is referenced on Brad Blog

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=2953

<snip>
BLOGGED BY Brad ON 6/12/2006 10:32PM
Busby Issues Email Statement on Election Results, Misses Point of Concerns; DNC Begins Inquiry…
Busby States Confidence in Machine Counted Results, Ignores Fact that Hackable Voting Machines Were Sent Home with Poll Workers Prior to Election and Thus are to be Considered Contaminated Until a Full Manual Hand Count Can Verify, Validate Reported Results
Confirms She Could Still Be Certified as Winner Despite Previous 'Concession'


I'm not real happy with the poster of #19 right now, but the statement is available, so that much is true.

There may be some projection or assumption of Busby's attitude there from a type of DEM that thinks challanging the legitimacy of elections makes US looke like whinners instead of winners.

I'm glad you're going. Let US know what shakes down. And if you can, find out what groups attend. I know we aren't doing any loyalty pledges at the door, but I'd be surprised (pleasantly so) if Republican/Indepedent and NON-partisan groups make a good showing. It would show me that people of all political stripes really DO care about Vote Integrity and that is what I believe in my heart will turn things around. All of US working together.

[Techno Dog]

50. no problem

Concession and Recount

We've heard from many of our supporters and your followers who have called to express their concerns about the voting procedures and expressed an interest in pursuing a recount. We have listened to your concerns and want to assure you that we have taken every precaution to closely
monitor the vote count.

On election night and for several days following the election, observers from both parties from Washington D.C as well as local monitors have been carefully observing the counting of ballots. In addition, the San Diego County party had 500 observers and a team of attorneys in the field,and observers stationed at the Registrar of Voters, dedicated to insuring a fair election and accountability.

While there were a few reports of malfunctioning scanning machines, there was not widespread reporting of problems on Election Day. All absentee, provisional and damaged ballots were accounted for and are continuing to being counted. I conceded as part of my statement following election night because the margin of difference was beyond the amount to trigger an automatic recount. Should the Secretary of State find reason tocertify me as the winner, I would be declared the winner despite my original concession statement.

Though we are all disappointed about the results of the election, we can be proud of the fact that we garnered over 45% of the vote despite $5 million in relentless negative assaults, and we kept Bilbray under 50% in a district that should have been theirs for free. This was a huge victory in
itself. With your continued support, we will keep up the pressure through November.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

58. oh, I get it, she wants to win in November

smart move.

Busby has to focus on increasing her support, so that she
can win the big one, November.

She has to sell the public on what she can do, and
can't spend all her time on election issues now.
If she gets elected, she may be in a position to change things.

But, she can't overturn this election, and she wants to win the next one.


I am fine with the Town Hall, but do believe it will
be seen as partisan.

I think a hand to eye recount or audit should be done.
We have seen too many errors all over the US.

The TH will create awareness, at least with Democrats.

Folks have no idea that voting machines have been going home
with poll workers forever.

Those that did know, really didn't think of it.

But the most common thing I see is that the ballot definition files
are set wrong, and logic and accuracy testing isn't catching it.

[cascadiance]

17. Here's an idea on where to put these signs!

I was frustrated today trying to find some good public places that were even open today to put these signs up at. Just not many of them around here in North County of San Diego.

An idea just occurred to me. If enough of us do this, I think that it will help us get more interested folks who aren't necessarily net connected.

If you're going to see Inconvenient Patriot the next few days (and it is now showing in quite a few theaters around here now) or even if you've already seen it and are seeing another film at the same multiplex where it's showing, take a sign with you and tape it up on the door so that people on the way out of the theater can see it.

It would be a good target audience to hit that we are lucky to have "centralized" at these showings now, and I doubt if any folks will be right wing seeing this film that would be motivated to tear it down. Perhaps the theater personnel will take it down after the showing, but even if you get a few people coming out of the theater to come, it will have helped us get more people to this event, and they'll be happy too that they got informed about it.

I'm sure Al Gore would be doubly proud of you, and will have been happy to oblige having this meeting promoted from his film showings!

[EFerrari]

23. Good idea!

:kick:

[EFerrari]

24. We're 12 votes out of first position.

[EFerrari]

27. Kick for CA's 55 ELECTORAL VOTES

:kick:

:kick:

:kick:

[rumpel]

28. Anyone going?

I might go to the one in Venice.

I have to see how my day goes, though.

:)

[Wilms]

29. Kick Brad's GD post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1502088

[Larry Bergan]

30. Brad is a thousand places at once these days!

Sure wish I could be there for these "town halls". Looks like we're gonna have to drag these Democrats kicking and screaming to a victory.

[Kip Humphrey]

59. Send Brad some money to help keep him on the road!

http://www.bradblog.com/

[mom cat]

31. Thanks for getting this front and center!

[bleever]

38. K&R. Show me the votes.

Nothing less than democracy!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

56. Sleepless in North Carolina

In North Carolina, until 2006, election judges used to take the voting machines
home with them the evening before the election.

No one thought anything of it.

I just learned of it about a year ago.

After our new law passed our SBOE had a bit more centralized power,
and they instructed counties that "sleepovers" for voting machines
were not ok anymore.

But now, with a recent mandate from the state, it looks like the new touch screen
machines will also have to be delivered the day before polls open.
Bradshaw told the board of commissioners Monday that new state
rules more strictly govern how voting machines can be delivered —
and when.

Bradshaw told commissioners she needs to buy 14 racks to store and transport
the voting machines.
The racks have rollers and can be wheeled out to a truck with a hydraulic lift
and be taken to polling stations the night before polls open.
They also have built-in battery chargers.

Cost? $1,239 per rack. The county needs 18.
A Help Americans Vote Act grant of about $5,000 will pay for four.

“This is a mandate from the state, and we knew there would be problems,”
said Commissioner Mary Ann Enloe.

Bradshaw said the machines left at polling stations would be secured in locked rooms.
Cards used to turn the machines on and enter data would not be inserted until
the morning of the vote.

http://www.themountaineer.com/archives/2006/04/07/topstories_staterulesaddtocount.html

[Maat]

57. I'm on Jeeni's campaign comm.!

Hubby and I are both working hard. We'll be there! I'm also the President of the local PDA chapter.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

60. so all elections would be invalid

If taking the machines out on sleep overs renders the election
invalid, then wouldn't all elections run after these
pajama parties be invalid in theory at least?

I agree the machines shouldn't be taken home with anyone.

And until this year, that was the common practice here in NC.

And, dems and republicans took them home.

Since NC has a Dem Gov, probably alot of our chief election judges
were democrats.

But this is an interesting protest.

$10 to get in to a town hall?

[helderheid]

62. KICK!

sorry to be late!