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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:21 PM
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Bush wins by 5% in Florida yet his Latino vote in Florida was down 15%!!!
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 06:56 PM by NewYorkerfromMass
I think the wheels are about to come off of Florida if this is true:

WCVI conducted an additional poll for Florida alone, which showed 52 percent for Kerry and 45.7 percent for Bush, while in 2000 it was 61 for Bush to 39 for Gore.

2nd to last paragraph: http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/6081/1/240

There is no way Bush could have increased his vote total in Florida with that kind of implosion of support.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:24 PM
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1. It was the Miracle of the Religious Bigots.
See, God has many votes.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:21 AM
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30. More likely God guided Diebold electronic voting machines.
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kerry2win Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:26 PM
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2. i could never understand
Kerry leading ind. by 60-39 in ohio and florida exit pollings and losing either state especially with the increased voter registrations of ind. Bev thinks both states could be flipped to Kerry
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:48 PM
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8. Votergate
If Bev is correct, isn't Votergate going to be a far bigger scandal than Watergate?
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Pastor of Deaniacs Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:50 PM
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9. How did it get this far...
without anyone catching on?
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:23 PM
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23. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.......
.......and we got caught napping. :(

It's really good to see so many new people waking up to what's going on. :evilgrin:

Welcome to all the new truth seekers! :hi: :toast: :toast: :toast:

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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:29 PM
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3. According to this link
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/F...

Bush picked up an additinal 7% of the Latino vote in Fl from 2000 to 2004.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:34 PM
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4. Those are the bogus numbers
which the Velasquez Institute says are wrong.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:38 PM
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6. Exactly!
I read several polls before the election and Bush was getting a 65% or 68% of the Cuban vote in Miami, a good indicator because he "got" 82% in 2000.

Regardless, it is impossible that he got more Cuban votes on November 2nd than in 2000, after he adopted restrictions for the travel of Cubans back to the island.

I know many Cubans and they are not stupid.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:43 PM
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7. The Cuban travel ban should have (and no doubt did) kill Bush
the CNN numbers were cooked after the fact.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:53 PM
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10. CNN
Yes, they constantly modified their numbers,

The Hispanic vote for Bush actually went down and the REAL numbers will be available soon, I am convinced.

The institute that disputes the data is the same one that found out that, in fact, the majority of Latinos in California opposed an anti illegal immigration sponsored by Republicans, while polls made by the LA Times declared the opposite.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:38 AM
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13. Plus Cuba was hit bad in one of the hurricanes
and their families here couldn't send them any money or aid.

Families come way before Bush for the Cubans in FL.

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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:19 AM
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29. That combined with the other thread
showing that religious people didn't vote in bigger numbers this time should be enough to prove the CNN numbers are bogus, bogus, bogus.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:38 PM
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5. Now do you understand why I want the full pre-correction exit poll data
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:49 AM
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11. kick
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futurecitizen Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:23 PM
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26. the poll data
What I don't understand is this - I've seen a few times that the poll data was available, so I contacted the wonderful people at exit-poll.net (or .com, wherever) to find out how to get a hold of it. I was told that it wouldn't be available for 6-9 months. I can't imagine *any* reason for something like that, and I'd like to know why. I suppose I should ask the woman with whom I was corresponding..

Okay, I will. Let's hope for something less evasive than her previous responses.

FC
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:04 AM
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12. I am waiting for this to get more play
I wonder why the WCVI has not yet been released? Someone pressuring them?
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 12:56 PM
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14. kos link
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:57 PM
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15. So far I have found 10 cntys that were democratic that turned Rep. Why?
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:45 PM
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16. kick
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:46 PM
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17. Sure, B* lost support from almost every sub-group, but he made it up in
...volume! ;-)
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:51 PM
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18. kick
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:54 PM
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19. Bush stole it!!!
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 11:18 PM
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25. How dare you!!
President Bush is a fine, Christian, honest, moral, upstanding, strong leader. Isn't he? :shrug:
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:59 PM
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20. I don't know anyone who voted democratic in 2000 that voted for *
in 2004. Absoutley no one.. Every democrat I know hates the shrub with a passion.
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Woo Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:34 PM
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21. Ya know...
I was watching Joe Trippi on Olbermann last night and something he said made something click in my head -- I think all of this might have been noticed by individuals but the story NEVER EVER would have gotten into mainstream media without the blogs -- So you have to look back two to four years ago if their was indeed fraud in those races too -- what didn't they have? -- or what hadn't come into its own yet? The blog -- they didn't account for the power of the blog this year, which I think if we can keep it up will be the undoing of this -- these same concerns would have been brought up without the blog but it would have festered in the internet conspiracy theory realm for years.

Thank God for the blog --

On another note -- I heard this on Imus(not that he's any help) but the media has been reporting this wrongly if what he said is true -- Kerry got 25% of the evangelical vote -- I thought the media was saying that's where bushies extra votes came from...
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 04:58 PM
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22. kick
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savistocate Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:48 PM
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24. kick
it up,
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 07:35 PM
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27. I also find it hard to believe...
...that Bush gained 6 points with African-Americans, either. In Florida? With the anger that Florida blacks had been disenfranchised in large numbers in 2000, an issue still unresolved? I don't believe it.
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Spera Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:13 AM
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28. Where does a recount in FL stand?
What is the deadline now that the vote has been certified, and have any formal plans/requests been made? I know Bev is on the case initiating a fraud audit in Florida, but with all the effort and attention being focused on Ohio (and rightly so), I've heard little else about what's going on down there. Is Florida the state that had the law that permits 5 citizens to request a recount? Is there a fund set up for this?
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:37 AM
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32. kick
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:15 AM
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31. no way...bush barely "won" florida in 2000
by approximately 530 votes, as i recall. how in the hell could he "win" by such a large margin in 2004? not possible...
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:29 AM
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33. Try this excuse:
GOP won state along I-4
Republicans targeted groups like Hispanics and gun owners and got out the vote.

http://palmbeachpost.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?...
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:26 PM
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34. Hispanic Voters (LTTE by Congressman Serrano in NYTimes)
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/16/opinion/l16hispanic.h...

Desperate for new angles to explain President Bush's razor-thin victory, pundits are now suggesting that the Hispanic community is drifting to the right ("Hispanic Voters Declared Their Independence," front page, Nov. 9).

While one much-ballyhooed exit poll showed modest gains for Mr. Bush among Hispanic voters, the William C. Velasquez Institute, a respected nonpartisan think tank, released comprehensive exit polling data showing that Hispanic voters overwhelmingly supported John Kerry, 67.7 percent to 31 percent.

Such numbers actually indicate a Democratic gain from 2000, when Al Gore won the Hispanic vote 65 percent to 35 percent. A Puerto Rico Federal Affairs Administration poll found that Puerto Ricans voted an overwhelming 82 percent for Mr. Kerry.

Hispanics know that families can flourish only in communities that value jobs, education, environmental justice and broad access to health care. These are the causes that Democrats have long championed and will continue to fight for.

Jos E. Serrano
Member of Congress
16th District, New York
Washington, Nov. 11, 2004
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shaggy briard Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:33 PM
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35. What about Haitian votes
Many registered, many were pissed at Bush for the coup against Aristide. Does anyone know how many there are and is there any survey work against them?
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