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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 09:39 AM
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I was all excited about the proposed Clean Election (public funding) bill
Edited on Thu Feb-09-06 09:41 AM by GreenPartyVoter
being put forward on the Hill.

Let me just start by saying please do not take this as an attack on Dems by any means. I am just saying this is not the best way to pursue Clean Elections. We have them here in Maine and they are one of the main reasons a Green was able to be elected to our State legislature. They are also the reason why a lot of regular people rather than just the moneyed and well-connected have been able to run and win seats in the House here. This is _very_ important when it comes to our policy-making because it means our Reps do not have to feel beholden to campaign contributors. So if you have an interest in helping Congress truly reflect our nation's population by lessening the number of millionaires and CEOs on the Hill please contact the sponsors of this Bill and let them know you appreciate their efforts but would like to see some changes.

Thanks!

"Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin and Sen. Chris Dodd, the ranking Democrat on the Rules Committee, said yesterday that they will push for public financing of federal elections.

The revelations follow public financing proposals that two senior House Democrats unveiled late last month.

Rep. David Obey (Wis.), the ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations Committee, and Rep. Barney Frank (Mass.), the ranking Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee, announced Jan. 25 plans to reform dramatically the funding of House campaigns. Under their proposal, taxpayers would be asked to contribute voluntarily to a national campaign fund."

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/020906/news3.html

"The bill would effectively eliminate virtually all congressional campaigns by independent and third-party candidates.

The bill, HR 4694, would provide public financing for both Democrats and Republicans in most districts. But Ballot Access News reports that candidates not qualifying for funding would not only receive no government funds, but would also be barred from spending any privately raised money. No government money and no private money means that a non-qualifying candidate would be prohibited from spending any money at all, not one red cent. Not even a business card with the candidate’s name and office sought would be legal under the bill!

Requirements for qualifying for funding would be relatively easy for the major parties but almost impossible for independent and third-party candidates. The bill would provide public funding for nominees of parties that had averaged 25% of the vote for U.S. House in that district over the last two elections. Independent candidates who had averaged 25% would also get full public funding, but unlike party candidates, only the specific individual who previously got those votes would qualify. All others would be required to submit petitions signed by 20% of the last vote cast for full funding, and 10% for partial funding. For example, in Missouri’s 2nd congressional district, a candidate with a party that won less than 25% of the vote in the last two elections would need nearly 70,000 signatures to qualify for the public funding that her/his Democratic and Republican opponents would get automatically, and only signatures from the 2nd District would count. Nearly 35,000 signatures would be required in order to allow the candidate to spend anything at all on the campaign.

In certain districts where a single party is dominant, the bill would eliminate campaigns by the district’s second party as well. Not surprisingly, Democrats (who propose this bill) hold Republican opponents to below 25% in more districts than Republicans do the same to Democrats. If the bill were law today, a Republican campaign in Lacy Clay’s 1st District would be illegal without a massive petition drive. In Roy Blunt’s 7th District, Democrats would be less than a percentage point away from the same fate."

http://stloracle.blogspot.com/2006/02/bill-would-ban-3rd-party-campaigns-for.html
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dmkinsey Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 09:45 AM
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1. Well, I'm no friend of minor partys but this bill
Edited on Thu Feb-09-06 09:46 AM by dmkinsey
looks like a real piece of poop that deserves to be sent to the recycler.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 09:54 AM
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2. I don't think this bill
would be upheld by the courts under Buckley v Valeo.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 10:04 AM
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3. Can you explain why? I'd like to use that in my letter to the Reps but
I am not good at tranlating legalese.

Thanks!
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 10:19 AM
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5. basically
that decision said that you can't stop outlaw spending money because that limits people's free speech. You can limit the amount that can be contributed. Now you can set up a system where candidate can opt into a public finance system, where there are strong carrots and sticks for such a system. But you can't say that a candidate is not allowed to spend any money. That is saying they can't speak.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 10:33 AM
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6. Ok, thanks. I have seen this ruling used in arguments against public
financing before and have been reluctant to use it because I do want some form of public financing. (I would actually like it to be mandatory but as you say that ruling would not uphold that.)
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 10:18 AM
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4. hmm, discouraging minority parties isn't the way to
clean up elections.

I'd have to agree that this is not a good bill.

(though really, a Repub seems to have about a lame monkey's chance in a lion enclosure of getting elected in Lacy Clay's district - even being legal :evilgrin:)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 10:40 AM
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7. I am kind of surprised that they wrote it up the way they did. I am hoping
that this was just a ploy to get Repubs to blast it down thereby showing them as being the party of "buying elections". That's the most charitable reason I can think of (thanks to my dad for pointing it out).
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 11:34 AM
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8. Good analysis. Thanks for posting.
Let this be yet another in the endless string of reminders that we will not right the ship of state via Congress, nor through the continued support of a partisan system at all. Is it not yet clear that when party is put before nation (partisanship) it is treason? Can we not all agree that both major parties have shown full devotion to preserving to this supposed two-party system, masquerading as democracy while in fact reflecting all the hallmarks of fascism? Reform can not be entrusted to those now in power for it is their abuses (from both sides of the aisle) that have created our current condition. True change at this point is going to have to come from the populace rising up and literally taking our country back (or re-thinking the idea of why such divided peoples should strive to maintain the myth of being "United" States). Quite simply, non-violent revolution is necessary, NOW! Read Blueprint For Peaceful Revolution.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 12:58 PM
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9. Thanks for checking in on this. I fully believe changes will come
from the bottom up. Witness my home state of Maine's clean election campaign (although right now the fund has been raided and sits empty. x( ) and various cities which have started using various forms of ranked voting. :)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 01:00 PM
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10. I am going to write to Dennis Kucinich about this. I had emailed him
about election reform when he was running for prez and even though I didn't receive a reply I still feel he is one of the people in the House who might listen to us about this.

If you know of any other House members who are very strong on election reforms let's see if we can't get them to ask Obey to amend his bill or perhaps introduce a variation of it.
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