Need some Info on local voting machines

[SteveIrving1]

I live in Tuolumne County, CA. I don't suspect that theres any funny business going on with the voting machines but I'd like to be sure.

Heres the info I got fromverifiedvoting.org:

Tuolumne County Detail:

Voting Technology: Optical Scan: Central Count

Vendor: Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)
Model: Model 550

Data Source: Jackie St. George, Assistant County Clerk [phone];

http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/voting_systems_november_2004.pdf and http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/elections_d.htm

Last Verified: 4-Sep

So is are these voting machines clean or are they rigged?

[Joanne98]

1. Watch this video.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4226674

[SteveIrving1]

2. Is the man referring to ES&S?

It seemed to me to be more Diebold oriented. I know those machines just don't work PERIOD.

But really are the ES&S machines crap to?

[skids]

3. Yes.

ES&S is one of the "big fishy smelling fishes" along with Diebold and Sequioa.

[FogerRox]

4. Model 550 optical scanner

you need precinct level tabulation. Better than Central

But they start with paper ballots-- in the HAVA enviroment of today thats OK

[Stevepol]

5. I personally think ES&S is more crooked than Diebold.

The guy heading ES&S is the brother of the guy who heads the voting machine division of Diebold. They're the Urosevic brothers. Do you really think they don't share technology? I don't know who figures out the new techniques first, but you can bet when one of them figures out how to screw the voter, the other knows about it pretty quick. They are just pretending to compete w/ one another.

The optical scanner is of course better than the touchscreen since there's a paper ballot to recount if you should have an audit or recount. However, since there's almost no place in the country that requires an audit, and unless it's required nobody is going to do it, so the optical scanners are no better than the touchscreens. In fact, in the last election, in FL and probably thru-out the country, the ES&S scanners I think gave more weird results than any other device.

I'd be willing to bet that ES&S is crookeder than Diebold, tho I don't know how you'd ever show that. They're like two different species of cobra, one spits in your eye maybe whereas the other uses fangs but you're dead either way.