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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:36 PM
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POLL BAD, VOTE COUNT GOOD: The RW (M)ost (O)utrageous (E)xcrement
Edited on Sat Jun-11-05 11:25 PM by TruthIsAll
Now that they have decided to abandon rBr, they are back to their original, classic BS talking point:
POLL BAD, VOTE COUNT GOOD.

Sounds like something out of a Lone Ranger B-western.
No way, keemosabie.
They are just circling the wagons.

The pre-election state polls (4% MoE) which showed Kerry winning were faulty...

The pre-election national polls (3% MoE)which showed Kerry winning were faulty...

The post-election state exit polls (2.5% MoE) which showed Kerry winning were faulty...

The post-election national exit poll (1.0% MoE) which showed Kerry winning from 8349 to 11027 to 13047 respondents at 12:22 am was faulty...

The census poll ( 0.30% MoE), which stated that 125.7mm voted, 3.5mm more than the actual vote count, was faulty...

Only the 13660 Final exit poll, which matched the Bush vote count, was correct. Zero MoE.
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minnesotaDFLer Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:38 PM
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1. whats moe?
what are you talking about?
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:40 PM
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2. Polling Margin of Error. n/t
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minnesotaDFLer Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:41 PM
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3. i see
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:41 PM
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4. TIA , you are way too optimistic.There is no way this is the FINAL
talking point. As we long as we are talking..there will be spinning.
mg
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:46 PM
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5. Next is Point of Order error!!
"All the people crying about fraud don't realize its just point of order, see nothing to see here!

They are just upset that god hates them.....And they all committed voter fraud. That's right! All voters committed voter fraud. We must stop them!"

I have no doubt this is the kind of talking points which come next.....
:eyes: :eyes: :banghead:
:puffpiece:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 11:48 PM
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7. They certainly make it sound as if that really was the problem,
when I hear repukes speaking of "election reform". Felons? Give it a rest repukes!!! If felons are purged, their fearless leaders may never vote again, if they even bother with the fix already in.

Wish we had a spinning smilie!
:hi:
:kick:
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 10:50 PM
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6. You go TIA
When our kids(military) are on the line, I am so glad when you stick to nailing these m*th*r f*ck*rs, but we should quit having all those stupid, silly threads.

All your threads, and MOST others are great. Keep up the good work :patriot:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 12:23 AM
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8. What's this, FACTS, LOGIC, CONCLUSIONS THAT MAKE SENSE
I'm shocked! What will the FOMs do? (FriendsOfMitofsky)

Something is sure shaking around here and I think it has something to do with the

TRUTH

Contact the DNC and Give 'em Hell About NOT Acting on Election Fraud

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 07:27 PM
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10. The vanishing MoE: 4% > 3.0% > 2.5% > 1.0% > 0.30%....
Edited on Mon Jun-13-05 07:50 PM by TruthIsAll
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 04:19 PM
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9. kick
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 12:55 AM
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11. He scores......nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-14-05 07:36 PM
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12. This is a great post! We get so overwhelmed sometimes with the...
...details of the election fraud (a truly staggering mountain of details and evidence), and on arguing particular points of evidence, that we "fail to see the forest for the trees". We forget, or omit, or fail to sufficiently present the CONTEXT--the staggering mountain of lies, and crimes, in which the 2004 election fraud is embedded.

I've taken it on as my role to constantly point this out. For instance, it's not just that Kerry won the exit polls, it's that the Democrats massively beat out the Bushites in new voter registration in 2004, nearly 60/40, with most new voters voting for Kerry, most independents voting for Kerry, and most Nader voters switching to Kerry;

that Bush's dismal approval ratings for over a year have now sunk to 35% (!!!), with 60% to 70% of Americans disapproving of every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic;

that the election system itself was non-transparent, invalid and fraudulent, with major Bush supporters owning and controlling the electronic voting machines, and running them on secret, proprietary programming code, with a third of country having no paper trail;

that massive vote suppression against Democratic voters was committed by Republican officials and operatives in Ohio, Florida and other states;

that a UC Berkeley statistical team found 130,000 to 260,000 "phantom votes for Bush" in 3 of Florida's biggest Democratic counties (in electronic vs. other methods of voting);

that a DU analyst found a similar problem in No. Carolina (an inexplicable 9% edge to Bush in electronic voting);

that electronic touchscreens changed Kerry votes to Bush votes in 87 of 94 reported incidents, and that the reports describe the difficulty of catching this change and of changing it back;

that a Johns Hopkins research team found serious insecurity in electronic voting systems

...etc., etc., etc.

and...

AND...

Kerry won the exit polls!

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TIA's recitation of ALL of the supposedly inaccurate polls, all saying Kerry was winning or won, or that something is seriously wrong with the official result--all lined up in a row like this--all now being naysayed and denied, except for the one impossible final exit poll, which was twiddled to CONFIRM the official result--makes a powerful cumulative case, and gives us a meaningful context in which to review individual facts.

One could do the same thing with all the polls that show Bush's dismally low support--so low before the election that Zogby said he couldn't win; at 49% on his inauguration day (unprecedented!), sinking like the Titantic and now at its likely most real level, 35% (the popularity level of rightwing extremism, state religion, oil companies and tax cuts for the rich in the US). The cumulative effect is powerful. Bush is not just unpopular, he's extremely unpopular. Bush is not just lacking in majority support, and not just lacking in any mandate whatsoever, he is lacking in legitimacy as a public official and head of government. And the dislike of Bush is not just personal, it extends to all of his policies.

So: Where DID Bush's margin of victory come from? Karl Rove's "invisible" get-out-the-vote campaign? (Har-har.) Who voted for him? Where is that support NOW? And by what right are he and his "pod people" in Congress pursuing extremist policies, such as privatizing Social Security, piling up federal debt and threatening to invade other countries?

It's a cumulative picture--a context of illegitmacy, and wrong and undemocratic behavior. One or two of these facts is a political argument. But the sum total of it is something else again. It is the very picture of tyranny.

And it has kinship to TIA's list above which forms an overall picture of lying and deceit--all aimed at suppressing this truth: that Kerry won the election, and is the true representative of the majority.

Anyway, thanks TIA! This is a very compellling and useful compilation!




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