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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:05 PM
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It's a sad day in Utah - we've gone electronic :(
Despite the hard work of many activists, Utah's elections are now easily riggable.

While typing this, the local paper called me for an interview asking me my reaction! I'll post the interview when it's published!

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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:06 PM
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1. Any paper trails?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:13 PM
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3. yea... but the vote on record is made of vapor
New Voting Machines Selected For Utah
May. 31, 2005

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Going to the voting booth in 2006 will be a high tech experience for Utahns.

The state today unveiled it's new computerized, touch-screen voting machines. Selected after two years of study and a mock vote by the public in March, the machines are made by Diebold Election Systems.

The new machines will allows for a paper voting trail, as well as a computerized audit. They are also equipped to assist the disabled, including an audio format that will let blind people vote without assistance for the first time.

Each machine costs more than three-thousand dollars, but the state doesn't know yet how many they will buy.

Lieutenant Governor Gary Herbert says they hope to give the machines a trial run during some municipal elections in November.

The system will be fully operational by June 2006 for primary elections, he says.

(Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:22 PM
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7. A "Trail" is Where you Ride A Horse...
:shrug:

Sorry to hear the bad news, Utah...
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:13 PM
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2. Democracy is slipping through our fingers...
How very sad.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:15 PM
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4. Are Those The Voting Machines That Count Only "ORRIN" Votes....
Edited on Tue May-31-05 04:29 PM by Double T
...regardless of which candidate you select????
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:16 PM
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5. yea you got it!
Edited on Tue May-31-05 04:17 PM by helderheid
The reporter asked me if this would deter me from voting again. I said, "Oh no, I'll be voting but it will be absentee on a paper ballot!"
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 05:46 PM
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8. maybe that's our strategy. A GIANT education campaign, starting NOW
to have everyone in DRE precincts to vote absentee.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 05:47 PM
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9. let's do it
We need a catchy phrase...
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 06:00 PM
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10. Paper ballots, not vaper ballots. Vote absentee.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 07:12 PM
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11. That works.
I'll get to work on a bumper sticker! Thanks! Think we need a seperate thread for this new initiative?
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-05 04:22 PM
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6. I'm very sorry to hear it.
My condolences.

:-(
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 05:22 AM
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12. Daily Herald has the story.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-01-05 09:05 AM
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13. The article. My quote at the end
Edited on Wed Jun-01-05 09:12 AM by helderheid


Article Last Updated: 6/01/2005 07:41 AM
Utah voting is set to turn high-tech
No more chads: The paper ballots will be replaced by Diebold machines
By Matt Canham
The Salt Lake Tribune
Salt Lake Tribune
Say goodbye to paper ballots, punch pins and the accompanying chads. Utahns will soon tap touch-screen computers to cast their vote.
Lt. Gov. Gary Herbert announced Tuesday that the state has awarded a contract worth about $27 million to Ohio-based Diebold Election Systems, which also runs statewide voting equipment for Georgia, Maryland, Alaska and Arizona.
The new voting booths, resembling and responding like many ATMs, will be in precincts throughout the state by June 2006, though some cities may try them out this November to "work out the bugs," Herbert said.
Tuesday's announcement ends a two-year hunt to replace the antiquated punch-ballot system, and brings Utah in compliance with the Help America Vote Act of 2002, a federal mandate that followed the voting controversy in Florida during the 2000 presidential race.
The state now will enter negotiations with Diebold and county officials to identify the exact number of new voting booths to buy. Each booth costs $3,150. The original state estimate called for 7,500 machines. The company says 6,800 would do the job.
The booths allow voters to go back and change their selections. They also notify voters if they pick two candidates in the same category or skip a race.
"This raises the bar significantly by almost eliminating voter error," Herbert said.
The new system should produce election results much faster. Each electronic booth keeps a running count, negating the need for counting machines. The voting booths produce a computer printout with a bar code to use in cases of a recount or when questions arise over the accuracy of the electronic count. Each voter can examine the accuracy of their votes on the printout, which is displayed under a piece of glass. This paper audit is in response to a law the Legislature passed last session.
Disabled voters also will find the booths more accessible, especially the blind.
Through headphones, blind voters can listen to their options and select their candidates through a key pad.
Bill Gibson can't wait to vote by himself for the first time. Gibson, who works for the state Division of Services for the Blind and Visually Impaired, has been blind since birth.
His wife or an election judge has always helped him vote and he doesn't like how quiet his precinct becomes when he starts voicing his choices.
"People are naturally kind of nosy. They like to know how their neighbors are voting," said Gibson, 53, who helped select the Diebold equipment. "To be able to go in and cast a ballot on my own is a really exciting thing."
But computerized voting machines, generally, and Diebold, specifically, have their detractors.
A computer science professor from Johns Hopkins University has claimed Diebold uses software that is easy to hack into, a claim the company rejects. Last year, Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry complained about Diebold Chief Executive Officer Walden O'Dell's fund-raising for President Bush, according to Bloomberg News.
Utahn Clarity Sanderson's skepticism is more broadly focused. She tried the new voting booths at a mock election in March, and while she agrees they are "very easy to use and extremely user friendly," she distrusts the technology.
"I think it is wrong to have our elections being run by a corporation," she said. "It takes away all transparency in our elections."
Sanderson, who is the co-vice chairwoman of the Utah Democratic Progressive Caucus, will continue to vote, but by absentee paper ballot.

State Elections Director Michael Cragun said security is not a legitimate concern.
"We are confident that this vender will provide us with what we need," he said.
Cragun anticipates the state will impose some sort of spot-audits to ensure accuracy, but no such policy is now in place.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 12:00 AM
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14. BOO
I rock ;)
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 09:45 AM
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17. What about a picture of the printer?
The voting booths produce a computer printout with a bar code to use in cases of a recount or when questions arise over the accuracy of the electronic count. Each voter can examine the accuracy of their votes on the printout, which is displayed under a piece of glass.

Is this a running printout, or individual receipts? Makes a big difference in a recount....

Also, what is Utah law in re recounts? Hard to get, expensive, or ?
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 09:55 AM
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18. strikes me
that it's a running receipt. It's useless. Not sure about the recount laws.
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 10:01 AM
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19. The 'under glass' bit is intriguing
Depending on what is displayed and the quality of instructions given to the voter, it can help or hinder accountability.
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Neil B Forzod Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 02:04 AM
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15. gah!
:( :( :( :( :(
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-05 09:33 AM
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16. welcome to DU!
:hi:
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