Are you still a believer?

[Independent_Liberal]

Tell me if you are. I need to know. Read everything below and tell me there's still reason to believe.



JANUARY 6, 2005 - The challenge to the Ohio electors with the help of Congressman John Conyers and Senator Barbara Boxer. What are the repukes so afraid of? What are they running from?

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BUSH REGIME/NIXON REGIME PARALLELS

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/postelection.html

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A Post-Election Wrap-Up:
Iraq, 9/11, Drugs, Cheney, and Watergate Two
by Peter Dale Scott
< Home | 9/11 Webpage >
27 November 2004





Possible Issues for Indictment
9/11 as an Issue for Impeachment
The FBI's Suppression of Yousef's 1994
Plane Hijacking Plot (Bojinka Two)
The 9/11 Commission's Prolongation
of Earlier Cover-Ups
What Happened on September 11, 2001?
The Challenge of Watergate Two
Footnotes

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HISTORY REPEATS

http://www.antiwar.com/engelhardt/?articleid=4637

Emergence of the Homeland Security State

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Back in the Watergate era, we had a would-be imperial president, Richard M. Nixon, who provoked a constitutional crisis. Actually, it amounted to a near constitutional coup d'état – and if you don't believe me, check out The Time of Illusion, Jonathan Schell's classic work on the subject. Now, it seems, we're in Watergate II, but without a Democratic Congress, a critical media, or a powerful antiwar movement (yet). All we have at the moment is the constitutional crisis part of the equation, various simmering scandals, a catastrophic war abroad, and an ever more powerful military-industrial-security complex at home. And we're not just talking urges here, we're talking acts. We're talking programs. We're talking the continual blurring of distinctions between the domestic and the foreign, the civilian and the military, between liberties at home and "securing the Homeland." The problem is, we can only guess at the extent of that "securing" process because so much is clearly happening just beyond our sight (or oversight).

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THE COUNTDOWN

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/extra/archives/001436.h ...

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How the countdown is calculated: Bush's expected removal is based on the date that Richard Nixon was forced from office: Aug. 8, 1974, the 565th day of his second term. It is only an estimate -- Bush could in fact be removed from office earlier than Aug. 8, 2006.

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ELECTION 1972 BUMPERSTICKER "Don't blame me. I voted for McGovern."

ELECTION 2004 BUMPERSTICKER "Don't blame me. I voted for Kerry."

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FEBRUARY 2005

Big News Release: 9/11 - FAA had 52 warnings.

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OPEN YOUR EYES FOR GOD'S SAKE. LOOK WHAT "WE THE PEOPLE" HAVE THE POWER TO DO:

www.wallacevbushlawsuit.com (FORCE THE CONGRESS TO IMPEACH!)

www.dougwallace.com (STOP THE PNAC!)

www.recallthecongress.com (That's right. RECALL THE CONGRESS!)

To impeach George Bush for war crimes and covertly implementing PNAC, we have to get a handle on our congress men and women.

This website is created to organize local state efforts to petition the Secretary of State or other official of each state in which laws have been established for the recall process of public officials. There are 26 states in which such laws have been established leaving 24 states in which an effort is required to petition the state legislature for enactment of such a law or alternatively where the initiative has been made law to use that vehicle to bring each state of the nation into a parity of power of its citizens to control the Federal government.

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WILL PITT'S IDEA

TIE THE WHOLE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO THIS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Obstruction of justice. Time to put the RICO Act to good use.

What somebody said:


The Republican party IS responsible for aiding and abetting the conspiracy to cover-up the truth about:

* WMDS

* 9/11

* CHENEY'S ENERGY MEETINGS

* THE COST OF MEDICARE

* THE TRUE STATE OF OUR ECONOMY

* THE "NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND" COST

* THE SUSPENSION OF CIVIL RIGHTS

* THE ATTEMPT TO DESTROY SOCIAL SECURITY

* THE GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED PROPAGANDA

* THE DISAPPEARANCE OF TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS VIA DOD

* THE ENORMOUS CORPORATE WELFARE

* THEIR SUPPORT OF DICTATORS WHO PROFIT US MULTI-NATIONAL CORPS

* THE EXPEDITED FDA DRUG APPROVAL FOR THE BENEFIT OF PHARMAS

* THE INVESTMENT IN NUKES

* THE MERCENARIES

* THE SUPPRESSION OF "INTELLIGENCE"

* THE "TORTURE POLICY"

* THE EXECUTION OF JOURNALISTS

* THE BREACH OF OFFICE IN VIOLATING US AND CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS

AND I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON AND ON!
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Holy crap! This is much bigger than Iran Contra!

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WELL, WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT?

"Some members of Congress..exploring impeachment.."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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OTHER THINGS TO DO

www.bushstole04.com

Find out more about "Gannongate." How did a male prostitute get into the White House press corps?

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MORE GOOD SOURCES

www.oilempire.us

www.suetheterrorists.net (That's right! Sue the bastards!)

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JOIN THE MOVEMENT

www.impeachbush.org

BTW, Ramsey Clark will be Saddam Hussein's defense attorney. He said Congress should be put on trial.

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OUR FBI WHISTLEBLOWER

www.justacitizen.org

Sign Sibel Edmonds' petition to Congress demanding the release of documents on FBI cover-ups from the Justice Department. Ms. Edmonds and other whistleblowers are planning to take legal action against the government if they don't do their job and crack down on whistleblower retaliation. She said many "high profile Americans" were tied to the 9/11 attacks and we will see them stand trial and go to jail.

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ACLU TAKES ACTION

ACLU sues Rumsfeld over prisoner abuse. They have a plan to hold real leaders accountable.

www.aclu.org

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THE TRUTH IS COMING OUT

www.reopen911.org

Grab your earplugs and fasten your seatbelts.

Also, check out David Ray Griffin's speech:

http://www.911blogger.com/2005/04/proper-release-of-gri...

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ELECTION FRAUD 2004

Kerry, Edwards and the good voters of the USA will not take this laying down.

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/#020505

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CITIZENS FOR A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT

www.legitgov.org

We will never get over it.

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THE REVOLUTION HAS JUST STARTED

The blogosphere is booming!

www.bradblog.com

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OH NO! OH NO!

Tom DeLay fundraising scandal finding its way to the White House.

More at www.bradblog.com

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MAY 2005 - THE IRAQ SMOKING GUN "MEMO" HAS BEEN LEAKED

Mr. Conyers and 88 other House Democrats send a letter to Bush demanding information.

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WHAT ARE THEY HIDING? HOW LONG CAN THEY HIDE IT?

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Didn't Galloway's testimony before Congress look like something we've seen before?

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PREDICTIONS ANYONE?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

>>>>snip

The 2000 election and its aftermath divided the nation bitterly, and many feel that George W. Bush, was selected, not elected--and therefore his presidency is "illegitimate." If re-elected, (or reselected), W’s position is precarious: As outlined earlier, President Bush is in the throes of his second Saturn return, a time of reckoning and balancing. One must be up to the task at hand when Saturn shows his face -- or face the consequences! Furthermore, Bush was elected in 2000 under Tecumseh's curse and might be lucky to leave the White House before embarking on a second term, one that history suggests he’s unlikely to finish. To complete the picture, next October (2005) Mars is in Taurus and turns retrograde for three months for the first time since late 1973 and early 1974, the time of Nixon’s unraveling. If Bush remains in Washington, the stage is set for a repeat performance.

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MY DREAM... WAS IT A PREMONITION?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=111x42939

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THE BATTLE HAS BEGUN

www.thebattleforamerica.com

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TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK

www.missionnotaccomplished.us

Be the Bu$h opposition 24/7. Stop the atrocities. Prosecute and indict the war criminals.

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Yes, I still believe and I won't stop believing. I hope you believe as well.

And remember the words of John Kerry: "Hold the Bush Administration accountable" and "We are going to change history."

:)

[FogerRox]

1. yes, I beleive---- WE A R E GOIN TO KICK MAJOR BUTT

oh sorry -- I am back--whew--
ya know what its about the kids

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x372210

[Independent_Liberal]

2. Yes, for our kids sake...

"To our children's children's children."

(Yes, I'm a Moody Blues fan. :))

[livvy]

3. Still believin' here too. Never stopped.

I knew Nixon was going down. I told everyone who would listen, and most people thought I was nuts. I wore my McGovern button until Nixon was gone.
The little nitwit and his malicious troop will go down, too. And only then will I take the "America can do better" sign out of my front window. I really look forward to the day!

[FogerRox]

4. Right Livvy right Liberal

I wasa in the GcGovern campaign in COnn.. I remember.

Moody Blues yeah I remmeber

[TexasLawyer]

5. Yes, I still believe and I won't stop believing.

And everyone I tell about this becomes a believer too. We have truth on our side. That's the ballgame.

[Peace Patriot]

6. "Holy crap! This is much bigger than Iran Contra!"--Independent Liberal

You're damn right it is. But if the Democratic Party leadership had taken care of that matter properly then, we wouldn't be where we are now, standing right at the edge of the Grand Canyon of fascism. I remember those hearings well. They had Reagan nailed. They should have impeached. Clear violation of the law passed by Congress against interference in Nicaragua.

That was THE moment the Democratic Party turned bad--the turning point. And I don't know why-all they didn't impeach. I think it had to do with, a) re-writing of the tax code under Reagan to benefit the rich (Dem leaders were mostly in that category, by that time--rich--but they don't want to be tagged with it), and b) cowardice in taking on that idiotic Reagan smile ("Good morning, America!"). (Dems were so ba-a-ad in Vietnam--1-2 million Vietnamese slaughtered, 55,000 GIs killed; Reagan had done so much to shore up the power of the military-industrial complex after that disgrace--Sunshine America, god I want to puke...) (mass torture and death in central and south America, all mostly sugared over and covered up...the rise of the US Corporate State...).

I remember the end of the Iran-Contra hearings, and the cozy insider ambience of the Democrats on that committee.

What I'm saying is that the Democratic leadership became the co-leaders of the Republicrat Party at that moment. They'd been bad, and had been battered, by Vietnam. They were no innocents. But they were still the "big tent" party--the party of the Voting Rights Act, and the Civil Rights Act, and the War on Poverty. They were the party to which the Vietnam antiwar activists BELONGED. And they were the party that PASSED the law against the war on Nicaragua, along with a lot of other laws to try to straighten the country out after years of covert assassinations and other nefarious deeds (...assassinations and black ops that resonate to this day, in the Mideast).

Then they let Reagan off the hook. I knew, at that moment, that something was very, very wrong.

A few years later, I went out of my way to watch the debate between Geraldine Ferraro, the first woman to ever be nominated for Vice President, and Bush I. It was an historic nomination. And the first thing out of her mouth is a joke with George I about who their tax accountants were. Millionaire meets billionaire. Nothing for me there. No damn Democrat, that's for sure. Millionairess. More puking...

Then came Clinton/Gore and NAFTA...

I don't know why it should ever have surprised me that the current Dem leadership would let Wally O'Dell & buds count all our votes with their secret, proprietary source code. But it did surprise me, that they could be that stupid or collusive. Their limp response--a non-response, really--to the outrages against black and poor voters in Ohio, Florida and elsewhere, has also been shocking. (--kudos to those who stood up, Conyers, Boxer and others; that was indeed heartening, but the other Dem leaders skedaddling away from them was disgraceful).

I've been a loyal Democratic Party member, supporter and voter for over 40 years. And I've watched it become a party with a plutocratic leadership at the top, and all us peons at the bottom, with no other choice but to keep sending them our little bits of money, and giving them our votes, while they play their games in Washington. And I don't know what to do about it. I don't want to see the Left fractured (Germany 1933-34). But Bush fascism and Dem leader stupidity/collusion fit together like yang and yin. You wouldn't have one without the other.

They let the 2000 election fraud go by. They let 9/11 go by (no air cover over DC--huh?). They let Paul Wellstone's plane crash go by (no investigation). They let the anthrax attacks on themselves go by. They let the invasion of Iraq go by; many of them even voted for it (although 125 DID NOT). They let the 100% baldfaced lies go by. They let the outing of a CIA agent and her entire WMD-investigating network go by. They let the death of David Kelley go by (British weapons inspector/whistleblower). They let torture go by. They let Halliburton go by. They let the connection between Zacharias Moussoui and Nicholas Berg go by (Berg beheaded in Iraq after interrogation by FBI in Iraq--Berg's email address and password was in ZM's computer--the computer that FBI agent Colleen Rowley was trying to get into, weeks before 9/11, request denied). They also let paperless electronic voting and Diebold's CEO's promise to "deliver" Ohio to Bush, and secret source code, and all of the rest of it go by.

Then came November 3, 2004.

I have much compassion for our Democratic leaders, even if they're all millionaires. I think some of them are good people. (I include John Kerry in that fold.) I think they are dealing with an agonizing and horrific situation--some of them are, anyway; others are in denial, some are corrupt, some are just living in that bubble of privilege and power, oblivious of everything. But of those whom I think are good people and are trying, I wish that I could see some inkling that they understand the bigger problem here, and where they went wrong.

They went wrong in forgetting all the rest of us. Their pro-justice, pro-peace, progressive constituency, the majority of the country. Back then, at Iran-Contra. In joining the plutocrats. In not impeaching Reagan AND Bush I when they should have. Thus, setting the stage--after a relatively peaceful interlude with Clinton, before the jobs started bleeding out of the country--for Bush II.

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All this may sound like I feel depressed and defeated. I do not. I have never felt feistier, nor more proud of my country and its progressive heritage--and of the folks here at DU and others who are fighting back.

But I do think that we need to face the problem with the Democratic leadership in this very great crisis of our democracy. We can work around it, as we have. But if they don't understand that they represent the majority--a critically important fact in strategizing--if they continue to deny the 2004 election fraud and the consequent, priority #1 need for election reform, and if they don't HELP US get it done at the state/local level, how can we continue to support THEM? (--and, really, what is our support worth?)

Because they say the right things about Social Security, or torture? Not good enough. They must DO SOMETHING about their own, and our, helplessness in the face of this fascist junta. They need to acknowledge it and do something about it.

IF they were sending the word down to every Democratic caucus to DO ELECTION REFORM NOW, I could forgive all manner of fear, previous stupidity, or even collusion and corruption. They don't have to say WHY (election fraud). They just have to DO. Direct the effort, send the word, free up funding, mobilize the troops, make local speeches, fire people up, give them hope and inspiration. Let it be known that this must get done.

Getting Wally O'Dell & buds out of our elections has to be the first priority. There is also a problem with Bush "pod people" committing election fraud and egregiously violating the Voting Rights Act, locally and at the state level. Changing that will be more difficult (in my opinion). But getting elections back into the public venue (getting rid of Diebold, ES&S and pals) would be a huge step forward in transparent elections.

If the Dem leadership DOESN'T do this, it doesn't mean we can't win this fight--it will just probably take much longer and be much harder. But it does raise the question of whether or not we can continue to support these Democratic leaders. How can we organize, fund-raise and vote for people who are so out to lunch on this fundamental issue?

[Raksha]

11. You are SO right about Iran-Contra, Peace Patriot!

Your post sounds like you've been reading my mind, although you seem to remember more of the details than I do. But for the past few weeks I've been having flashbacks to the Iran-Contra hearings.

>>if the Democratic Party leadership had taken care of that matter properly then, we wouldn't be where we are now, standing right at the edge of the Grand Canyon of fascism. I remember those hearings well. They had Reagan nailed. They should have impeached. Clear violation of the law passed by Congress against interference in Nicaragua.<<

That's where it all began, all right. That's the moment the Democratic Party became the party of enablers. When they could have and should have impeached--but didn't.

I remember how they rationalized it at the time. They said they "didn't want to put the country through another Watergate."

This country is long overdue for another Watergate, and it WILL happen--probably sooner rather than later. But the thing I fear most when it does happen is what I've been calling a premature healing--in other words, a whitewash. I'd like to see them investigate EVERYTHING going back to Iran-Contra: the rigged elections of 2000 and 2002 and 2004, the truth about September 11, 2001, the intelligence and facts that were being fixed around the policy--ALL OF IT! I don't care if it takes 100 years and all the main players are dead by the time it's over. Then maybe once we finally understand this shameful period in our history, we won't be doomed to repeat it.

[emlev]

7. kick

[cry baby]

8. Won't stop believing!

[Independent_Liberal]

9. Update

From Recall the Congress


http://recallthecongress.com/further_explanation_of_the_right.htm

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FURTHER EXPLANATION OF THE RIGHT OF RECALL

( For the less legally Minded )

The only assurance to prevent the hijacking of the country in the future is for Americans to assert the power of recall of congress members who refuse to abide by the Constitution and the will of the masses of the people in their inept support of a government gone awry.

Contrary to myth, Congress people can be recalled by their constituents. Any power not enumerated in the Constitution is reserved to the people. Recall is one of those powers.

In those states where there is a law establishing procedure to invoke the recall, it is available to the people to initiate it. In those
states where it is not procedurally established by law, the local state legislatures need to establish a procedural law whereby the people_can initiate it. It has nothing to do with local legislators demanding something of D.C.

As an alternative to a recall procedure against a Congressman, any member of congress can make a private unilateral employment contract with his constituents to pledge a certain conduct with penalties ( a court ordered enforcement of the terms of the breach of contract or fired from job )

We the people can do it. You can help!

[New Earth]

10. awesome post

it made my eyes tear up :(

nice to see everyone still here fighting :toast:

[Doohickie]

12. Of course I still believe.

I started the original I BELIEVE thread, and I still believe that Kerry is the right man for the job. I don't know know if he will ever get the chance to serve as president, but I firmly, honestly believe that * and his buddies will eventually answer for their hubris.

I am Doohickie, and I approve this message.

[meganmonkey]

13. Well, I have never had a Journey song pop into my and actually LIKE it

until just now.

If you don't know what I mean, you are a lucky, lucky soul :)

I STILL BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!

:woohoo: