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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 08:51 AM
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Exposing the Myths: One by One
Edited on Sat May-21-05 09:30 AM by TruthIsAll
The naysayers have been very prolific myth promoters.

But we keep knocking them out with the facts.
Now they are left with rBr, the Mother of All Feeble Liepothesis Myths, which is being thoroughly debunked by USCV and informed DUers.

Here's a timeline of threads which refute the myths.

Myth:
The Final National Exit Poll (13660 respondents) said Bush won.
Of course it did. Mitofsky matched the final 613 respondents to the corrupt recorded votes. The first 13047 respondents said they voted for Kerry. As did the first 11027 and the first 8349.

Final National Exit Poll
2:05pm Nov 3, 13660 Respondents
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/U...

12:22am Nov 3, 13047
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

7:38pm Nov 2, 11027
http://www.exitpollz.org/CNN_national2.htm

3:59pm Nov 2, 8349
http://www.exitpollz.org/mitof4zone/US2004G_3737_PRES04...
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Myth: Bush won.
If he did, then you must disregard these facts...
Edited on Fri May-13-05 10:21 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: rBr is a valid hypothesis
But PROBABILITY ANALYSIS showed that it is VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE.
Edited on Sat May-14-05 01:34 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Bush voters forgot who they voted for in 2004
Freeper Logic: aBr, the Alzheimer Bush Responder Hypothesis
Edited on Fri May-13-05 10:38 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Bush voters were reluctant
But even if 15% of Gore voters stayed home and All Bush voters came to the polls, Kerry still won.
Edited on Thu May-12-05 08:24 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Myth: There is no hard evidence of fraud
The probability that 86 of 88 touch screens would switch Kerry votes to Bush is 1 in 79 SEXTILLION:
1 IN 79,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Edited on Thu May-12-05 10:43 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And here is the evidence:
ELECTION INCIDENT REPORTING SYSTEM (EIRS)
https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapNation&...

Myth: There was an invisible campaign to get out the vote
So WHERE DID BUSH FIND THE 13 MILLION VOTES?
Edited on Tue May-10-05 09:00 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

BYE, BYE rBr: IMPLAUSIBLE VOTER TURNOUT SENSITIVITY ANALYSIS
Edited on Tue May-10-05 02:40 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: There was fraud, but not enough to change the election outcome
Let's compare Our Evidence vs. Their Evidence
Edited on Sat May-07-05 01:22 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Myth: Bush voters were reluctant exit poll responders.
But Mitofsky’s data shows that they weren’t shy at all.
The Reluctant Gore Responder (RGR)
Edited on Mon May-02-05 01:50 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Myth: Bush won the Electoral Vote
The State Exit Polls Gender Demographic shows Kerry had 329 EV.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Bush won Ohio
He did? How so? Kerry won every demographic.
HOW KERRY WON OHIO BY 51-48%.
Edited on Fri Apr-29-05 10:37 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: The Final National Exit Poll matched the vote.
It sure did. It matched the final corrupted vote.
ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE NEP TIMELINE
Edited on Thu Apr-28-05 07:25 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: The national and state exit polls are not conclusive.
But they are in agreement.
THE 13047 NATIONAL EXIT POLL CONFIRMS THE STATE EXIT POLLS TO WITHIN .06%
Edited on Sun Apr-24-05 11:44 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: The early exit polls were unweighted.
Well, let’s weight them and see what we get.
STATE / NATIONAL EXIT POLL ANALYSIS BY REGION
Edited on Sun Apr-24-05 03:10 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Exit Polls have a wide MoE due to the cluster effect.
No, according to this Mitofsky polling error table:
The MoE is 1.0% once you get to 8000 respondents.
Edited on Fri Apr-15-05 05:15 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Bush is a popular war president.
He is? Then why is he struggling with 43% approval?
Bush Exit Poll Job Approval: A smoking gun?
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 02:07 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: The media would cover election fraud - if there was evidence.
But they have already it. And they won't release t.
U.S. General Election Poll-7:37pm: "Estimates NOT for on-air use"
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 12:31 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Bush won Florida
Sure, Jebby controls the Optiscans.
FL Optiscans vs. Touchscreens: Prob of 9% discrepancy (1 in 12.7 trillion)
Edited on Mon Apr-18-05 02:42 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Exit poll sample-sizes were too low.
No, sir. Calculate the sample-size for any MoE and confidence level.
Edited on Thu Apr-14-05 09:53 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: there was a late-voter Bush bandwagon effect.
But Kerry won the late, undecided voters.
Edited on Fri Apr-08-05 09:49 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Bush 2000 voters were motivated.
To come out in the numbers they did, they must have been very motivated to rise from their graves or materialize out of thin air.
RELUCTANT BUSH RESPONDER OR REINCARNATED BUSH RESPONDER?
Edited on Mon Apr-04-05 03:22 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Myth: Voter Party ID changed from 39% Dem/35% Rep to 37%/37%
Another Exit Poll Mystery: Party ID. Can you solve it?
Edited on Sat Apr-02-05 02:52 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: The Final Exit Poll weightings use best available data
I can't stop talking about this one. It's a joke. Even if 100% of Bush 2000 voters WHO WERE STILL ALIVE TO VOTE IN 2004 voted, they could not comprise more than 40% of the 2004 electorate.
THE IMPOSSIBLE 43% Bush / 37% Gore MIX...
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 11:13 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Bush won by 3 million votes.
THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO: KERRY WON BY 7 MILLION VOTES
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 06:16 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Only Mitofsky knows how to weight the data
Well, here you will learn
HOW TO RED-SHIFT THE NATIONAL EXIT POLL IN 6 EASY STEPS...
Edited on Thu Mar-24-05 11:44 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Bush voters are immortal
BASED ON THE U.S. ANNUAL DEATH RATE OF 8.7 PER 1000..
Edited on Mon Mar-21-05 09:30 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Exit Poll discrepancies cannot be explained
The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy: Explained
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 01:23 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Exit Polls have always been inaccurate
GRAPHS: 1988-2004 Prelim. Nat. Exit Poll to Vote - Trend reversal in 2004
Edited on Thu Mar-10-05 11:11 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: All polls are worthless.
Tell that to all the pollsters who get paid the big bucks.
PRE-ELECTION STATE POLLS vs. EXIT POLLS vs. ACTUALS
Edited on Sat Feb-19-05 12:02 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Myth: Bush won.
THE MOST DEVASTATING STATISTIC: 17% OF THE VOTERS WERE NEW
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 01:05 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Myth: The The conservative trend won it for Bush.
Ok, lets look at some scenarios of Bush probabilities for various Party-ID weights in the National Exit Poll
Edited on Sun Jan-16-05 04:29 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...






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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:18 AM
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1. Thanks for posting this summary. I really appreciate it.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 09:51 AM
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2. I especially laff at "There is no hard evidence of fraud"
when what is meant is "There is no easy evidence of fraud." If you have to think too much (any) then it's too hard.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:03 PM
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9. No evidence that Blackwell couldn't sit on until after Inaguration
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:11 AM
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3. Thank you .......
...... i went to a live broadcast of the Stephanie Miller show yesterday
and I learned that in Lucas County, OH (Toledo) voting machines "locked
up" in democratic precincts. TIA, I think the election theft was multi
leveled and multi faceted with the end result being a death by a thousand
cuts ..... some bigger than others ...... keep up your work.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:02 AM
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4. Thanks TIA
:yourock:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 11:08 AM
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5. This is a great resource. Thank you. KICK/Recommend
For all with eyes to see, see!

This is it. The election fraud story is in the public awareness. A full 50% of last years voters have a huge stake in this because their votes were stolen!. That's a pretty good audience and they know something stinks. CM (corporate media) can sit on it forever. All we need to do is convert Carter or some top DEM and we're rokken.

Anyone interested in the future of democracy should use this as an invaluable resource to combat the nay-sayers, deniers, and quibblers.

It's time for the eFd (enthusiastic Fraud deniers) to stand down, take a hike, or join the effort.

Great work!
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 12:27 PM
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6. Nay-sayers, deniers, and quibblers
The cover up by the corporate media,the Blair memo,the mess in Iraq, the ELECTION THEFT.Why on earth would you want to assist in covering up this type of corruption.

You can't possibly believe that everything is moving in the right direction in the great US of A, If you care about our kids fighting in Iraq, and the USA, please don't fight us, join us or stand down.



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Al-CIAda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 01:59 PM
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7. TRUTH...is ALL! n/t
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:01 PM
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8. pult em right out of that useful cavity he has...
Myth: There was an invisible campaign to get out the vote
So WHERE DID BUSH FIND THE 13 MILLION VOTES?
Edited on Tue May-10-05 09:00 AM


Then he promptly reinserted his head and has been babbling since.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 02:33 PM
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10. Yup, I love that "invisible" Bush/Cheney campaign to get out the...
...vote, and have many fantasies about it. Cheney flew to Hawaii two days before the election, because, they said, Hawaii was up for grabs. (Real purpose? Possibly related to the "terrorist alert" backup plan, should all else fail.) On that long plane ride back and forth across the Pacific Ocean, I imagine Dick Cheney making phone calls to all those true believers in Hawaii (?!) and in other states--like those folks in the Baptist Church in Waynesville who threw all the Democrats out of the congregation--suggesting just what they could do to prevent Democrats, Nader voters, Green voters, a zillion new voters, independent voters, black voters, student voters, Native American voters, and errant Republicans, from voting for Kerry. Threaten them with expulsion from their church. Call them the night before and tell them they're going back to jail. Short them on voting machines. Challenge their voting status. Send them to the wrong precinct. Shred their voter registration cards. "Lose" 50,000 of their absentee ballots. And leave the rest to us.

I would like to have been a fly on the wall of the airplane.

----

It wasn't a "get out the vote" campaign. It was a "get the voter" campaign. And it wasn't all that "invisible."
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vince3 Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-21-05 10:47 PM
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11. Great Post. Thanks.
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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 06:43 AM
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12. Great summary! It puts it all in perspective. n/t
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-22-05 07:08 AM
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13. TIA, you are too...
cool. B-) Thx for all your work!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 12:05 AM
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14. KICK
:kick:
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 07:53 AM
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15. Marvelous list! n/t
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-05 08:23 AM
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16. Great Job TIA!
I'm glad to know that you and so many others aren't giving up the fight. This is my 1000th post-YIPPEE!-and it was the stolen election that brought me here to DU in the first place. This particular forum means a lot to me because the dedication and commitment shown here sustained me and kept me going during a very dark time. I truly don't know what I would have done without this forum and the hope that exists here! Every one here working on voting reform is awesome and inspiring! Thanks to all for your hard work and for not giving up!

:yourock:

NGU
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