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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 05:40 AM
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THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO: KERRY WON BY 7 MILLION VOTES
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 06:16 AM by TruthIsAll
Here are FIVE REALISTIC scenarios based on LIVE voter turnout.

A significant finding is this: 
Regardless of whether 100%, 99%, 98% or 97% of 2000 voters
returned to the polls, the Kerry winning margin hardly changes
(it increases by 18,000 votes for each 1% decline). So the
percentage turnout factor is of minimal effect. However, the
voter turnout MIX is THE MAJOR FACTOR IN THE WIDE DISCREPANCY
BETWEEN THE TOTALLY UNREALISTIC AND MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE
FINAL EXIT POLL (13660) AND THE REALISTIC AND VERY PLAUSIBLE
PRELIMINARY EXIT POLL (13047).

Using the 13660 final exit poll, after adjusting from a
mathematically impossible mix (43 Bush/37% Gore) to a very
plausible one (39.82/40.25%), then Kerry wins by 3.21 million
votes (51%-48.4%), EXACTLY REVERSING the NEP conclusion that
Bush won by 3.22 million.

Using the 13047 preliminary exit poll weights, Kerry wins by 7
million votes (52%-46.5%).

The Five Scenario Summary:
Turnout Kerry Margin (millions)
1 100% 3.21 (NEP final)
2 100% 6.65 (NEP preliminary)
3  99% 6.84 ""
4  98% 7.02 ""
5  97% 7.20 ""

THE FINAL NATIONAL EXIT POLL OF 13660 is matched to the final
recorded vote. Bush won the poll by 3.22 million votes
(51.1-48.5%).
The poll asserts that 43% of Bush 2000 voters (an IMPOSSIBLE
104.14% turnout) came to the polls in 2004, while just 37% of
Gore voters did. The proof: Bush received 50.456 million votes
in 2000, or 41.26% of the total 122.26 million who voted in
2004. 

According to death rate statistics, approximately 3.5% of 2000
voters have died. Subtracting 3.5% from the 2000 individual
votes for Gore and Bush, and dividing the net result by 122.26
mm, then the MAXIMUM POSSIBLE LIVE 2000 voter turnout was
39.82% (Bush) and 40.25% (Gore). 					

FINAL EXIT POLL (13660):IMPOSSIBLE WEIGHTINGS
Voted	2000	Mix	Bush	Kerry	Nader	
20.774	No	17%	45%	54%	1%	
45.214	Gore	37%	10%	90%	1%	
52.546	Bush	43%	91%	9%	0%	
3.666	Other	3%	21%	71%	3%	
101.426	TOTAL	100%	51.11%	48.48%	0.63%
	Votes	122.53	62.49	59.27	0.77
Bush	Margin	3.22			


REALISTIC SCENARIOS:
		
Scenario 1					
FINAL 13660 POLL WEIGHTS- ADJUSTED FOR 3.5% DEATH RATE					
100% turnout of 2000 voters: 101.097 million	

Voted	2000	Mix	Bush	Kerry	Nader
21.163	None	17.31%	45%	54%	1%
49.210	Gore	40.25%	10%	90%	0%
48.684	Bush	39.82%	91%	9%	0%
3.203	Other	2.62%	13%	71%	16%
	TOTAL	100.00%	48.39%	51.02%	0.59%
122.26	Votes		59.16	62.37	0.72
Kerry	Margin	3.21			
					
					
Scenario 2					
PRELIMINARY 13047 POLL- WEIGHTS ADJUSTED FOR 3.5% DEATH
RATE					
100% turnout of 2000 voters: 101.097 million	

Voted	2000	Mix	Bush	Kerry	Nader
21.163	None	17.31%	41.5%	57.5%	1%
49.210	Gore	40.25%	8%	91%	1%
48.684	Bush	39.82%	90%	9%	1%
3.203	Other	2.62%	13%	71%	16%	
	TOTAL	100.00%	46.58%	52.02%	1.39%	
122.26	Votes	122.26	56.95	63.61	1.70	
Kerry	Margin	6.65				
						
Scenario 3 (Most Likely)						
99% turnout of 2000 voters: 99.874	million		

Voted	2000	Mix	Bush	Kerry	Nader	
22.386	None	18.31%	41.5%	57.5%	1%	
48.598	Gore	39.75%	8%	91%	1%	
48.073	Bush	39.32%	90%	9%	1%	
3.203	Other	2.62%	13%	71%	16%	
	TOTAL	100.00%	46.51%	52.10%	1.39%	
122.26	Votes	122.26	56.86	63.70	1.70	
Kerry	Margin	6.84				

Scenario 4						
98% turnout of 2000 voters: 98.652	million		

Voted	2000	Mix	Bush	Kerry	Nader	
23.608	None	19.31%	41.5%	57.5%	1%	
47.987	Gore	39.25%	8%	91%	1%	
47.461	Bush	38.82%	90%	9%	1%	
3.203	Other	2.62%	13%	71%	16%	
	TOTAL	100.00%	46.43%	52.17%	1.39%	
122.26	Votes	122.26	56.77	63.79	1.70	
Kerry	Margin	7.02				

Scenario 5						
97% turnout of 2000 voters: 97.429	million		

Voted	2000	Mix	Bush	Kerry	Nader	
24.831	None	20.31%	41.5%	57.5%	1%	
47.376	Gore	38.75%	8%	91%	1%	
46.850	Bush	38.32%	90%	9%	1%	
3.203	Other	2.62%	13%	71%	16%	
	TOTAL	100.00%	46.36%	52.25%	1.39%	
122.26	Votes	122.26	56.68	63.88	1.70	
Kerry	Margin	7.20				
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:29 AM
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1. Yup.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 11:06 AM
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7. MORE STATISTICS TO BACK IT UP THE REALISTIC SCENARIOS...
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 11:33 AM by TruthIsAll
According to the FINAL Exit poll, Bush won by 3.22 million
votes (51.11-48.48%). The critical stats: 43% of Bush 2000
voters and 37% of Gore voters returned to the polls in 2004.

We know these are IMPOSSIBLE stats right off the bat, since
the Bush 2000 vote (50.456 mil.) was 41.26% of the 122.26 mil.
votes in 2004. 

BUT...THIS ASSUMES THAT NOT A SINGLE 2000 VOTER HAS SINCE
DIED, SO THE TRUE NUMBER HAS TO BE LESS THAN 41.26%. YET THE
FINAL EXIT POLL SHOWS A 43/37% MIX. IT HAD TO ASSUME THIS
ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE MIX IN ORDER TO MATCH TO THE RECORDED
VOTE, EVEN IF IT MEANT RAISING THE NEAR IMPOSSIBLE 41%/39%
SPLIT IN THE PRELIMINARY EXIT POLL(SEE "DEATH RATES"
BELOW).

To determine reasonable weights, using the following facts:
1. 122.26 million voted in 2004.
2. 104.777 million voted in 2000.
3. 50.999 million (48.67%) voted for Gore in 2000.
4. 50.456 million (48.15%) voted for Bush in 2000.
5. 3.322 million (3.17%) voted for Nader et al in 2000.
6. The net increase from 2000 to 2004 was 17.483 million
votes.

Using a table of annual U.S. death rates (8.7 per thousand),
we can estimate that 3.5% of Election 2000 voters have died
in the last 4 years (multiply the annual death rate of 8.7
per 1000 by 4).

Applying the rate to determine how many Gore, Bush and Nader
voters have died since 2000:

Gore: .035 * 50.999 = 1.785 million
Bush: .035 * 50.456 = 1.766 million
Nader: .035*   3.22 = 0.116 million

A total of approximately 3.667 Election 2000 voters died
prior to Election Day 2004. 

Therefore, there had to be 21.15 million NEW VOTERS in 2004,
since 21.15 = 17.483 (net increase) + 3.667.

Now 21.15 million is 17.3% of the total 122.26 million 2004
vote.
THIS IS EQUAL TO THE 17% OF NEW VOTERS STATED IN THE FINAL
EXIT POLL. 

Therefore, the MAXIMUM number of 2000 voters who could have
voted in 2004 has to be:
Gore voters: 50.999-1.785 = 49.21 million =40.25% of 122.26
Bush voters: 50.456-1.766 = 48.69 million =39.82% 
Nader voters: 3.322-0.116 =  3.21 million = 2.62% 

Assuming ALL voted (of course this is not true, some stayed
home) 

Scenario 1					
FINAL 13660 POLL WEIGHTS- ADJUSTED FOR 3.5% DEATH RATE					
100% turnout of 2000 voters: 101.097 million	
Voted	2000
	      Mix	Bush	Kerry	Nader
21.15 	None	17.31%	45%	54%	1%
49.21 	Gore	40.25%	10%	90%	0%
48.69 	Bush	39.82%	91%	9%	0%
 3.21 	Other	2.62%	13%	71%	16%
	 	100% 48.39%  51.02%	0.59%
122.26		     59.16   62.37	0.72
Kerry	Margin	3.21			


The bottom line: 
THE ONLY WAY THAT BUSH COULD HAVE WON THE FINAL NATIONAL EXIT
POLL WAS TO ASSUME THE USE OF IMPOSSIBLE WEIGHTINGS, AS SHOWN
ABOVE. 

If the Bush/Gore weights are changed from an IMPOSSIBLE
43%/37% to 39.82%/40.25%, THEN KERRY WON THE ELECTION BY 3.21
MILLION VOTES. 



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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:11 PM
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16. TIA, what would the number of new young voters (18year olds) have to
be, that vote for Bush, to make up for the discrepancy in the death rate? I know that would not pertain to the erroneous 43% number of 2000 Bush voters.

I think if you take the Female vote for Kerry ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... )and this erroneous 43% number there is no way Bush won....

Take it to the MSM!!
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 01:00 AM
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18. THIS IS THE CLINCHER.
Edited on Tue Mar-29-05 01:02 AM by TruthIsAll
Assume 100% of Bush 2000 voters (39.82% of 122.26) turned out
and the Final 37% Gore stat is correct (92.2% Gore voter
turnout). 
In fact, assume ALL the Final Exit Poll stats are correct.

Kerry still wins 50.22%-48.4%.
A 2.23 million vote margin.

See Case # 14 and the Final Exit poll column (Kerry 54% of new
voters)

KERRY IS A WINNER IN ALL 120 = 20*6 SCENARIOS.

EVEN THE WORST CASE SCENARIO (CASE 20):
ASSUME A MISERABLE 88.6% Gore TURNOUT (35.50% OF 122.26) 

KERRY STILL WINS 49.66% - 48.94%.
THAT'S AN 870,000 VOTE MARGIN.				

See Case # 14 and the Final Exit poll column (Kerry 54% of new
voters)

					KERRY NATIONAL VOTE SCENARIOS					
					New Voter Share and Gore 2000 Voter Turnout					
					(Assume 100% Turnout of Bush 2000 voters)					

	Assumed		Prelim.	Prelim.				Final		
	Turnout	Turnout	7:38pm	12:22am				2:05pm	2000 Voter Mix	
	Bush	Gore	11027	13047				13660	Bush   Gore
			KERRY SHARE OF NEW VOTERS							
Case			59%	58%	57%	56%	55%	54%		
1	100.0%	100.0%	52.28%	52.11%	51.94%	51.77%	51.59%	51.42%	39.82%	40.25%
2	100.0%	99.4%	52.20%	52.03%	51.85%	51.68%	51.50%	51.33%	39.82%	40.00%
3	100.0%	98.8%	52.12%	51.95%	51.77%	51.59%	51.41%	51.23%	39.82%	39.75%
4	100.0%	98.2%	52.04%	51.86%	51.68%	51.50%	51.32%	51.14%	39.82%	39.50%
5	100.0%	97.6%	51.96%	51.78%	51.60%	51.42%	51.23%	51.05%	39.82%	39.25%
										
6	100.0%	97.0%	51.88%	51.70%	51.51%	51.33%	51.14%	50.96%	39.82%	39.00%
7	100.0%	96.4%	51.80%	51.62%	51.43%	51.24%	51.05%	50.86%	39.82%	38.75%
8	100.0%	95.8%	51.72%	51.53%	51.34%	51.15%	50.96%	50.77%	39.82%	38.50%
9	100.0%	95.2%	51.64%	51.45%	51.26%	51.07%	50.87%	50.68%	39.82%	38.25%
10	100.0%	94.6%	51.56%	51.37%	51.17%	50.98%	50.78%	50.59%	39.82%	38.00%

11	100.0%	94.0%	51.48%	51.29%	51.09%	50.89%	50.69%	50.49%	39.82%	37.75%
12	100.0%	93.4%	51.40%	51.20%	51.00%	50.80%	50.60%	50.40%	39.82%	37.50%
13	100.0%	92.8%	51.32%	51.12%	50.92%	50.72%	50.51%	50.31%	39.82%	37.25%
14	100.0%	92.2%	51.24%	51.04%	50.83%	50.63%	50.42%	50.22%	39.82%	37.00%
15	100.0%	91.6%	51.16%	50.96%	50.75%	50.54%	50.33%	50.12%	39.82%	36.75%

16	100.0%	91.0%	51.08%	50.87%	50.66%	50.45%	50.24%	50.03%	39.82%	36.50%
17	100.0%	90.4%	51.00%	50.79%	50.58%	50.37%	50.15%	49.94%	39.82%	36.25%
18	100.0%	89.8%	50.92%	50.71%	50.49%	50.28%	50.06%	49.85%	39.82%	36.00%
19	100.0%	89.2%	50.84%	50.63%	50.41%	50.19%	49.97%	49.75%	39.82%	35.75%
20	100.0%	88.6%	50.76%	50.54%	50.32%	50.10%	49.88%	49.66%	39.82%	35.50%
										
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 06:56 AM
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2. To T.I.A.,
I live in Central Ohio and Kerry kicked butt here. No way * won this
state. In Delaware, Ohio 6 precincts that went to Gore in 2000 went
to * in 2004 despite the fact more democrats had registered in those
precincts.

Keep up the # crunching.
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 09:39 AM
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5. Isn't that something Conyers
and others should know?

zalinda
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 08:31 AM
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3. Hi TIA, I've been following your work for months.
What is happening in the election fraud world? Are there still lawyers and officials working on this issue and when will there be indictments for fraud?
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 09:40 AM
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6. Conyers is on it. Indictments? Today, evidence doesn't mean squat.
Look at Ohio.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 09:36 AM
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4. Kerry margin incr 180 thou for each 1% decline in 2000 voter turnout.
Edited on Sat Mar-26-05 09:42 AM by TruthIsAll
Correction to 18,000 in post...
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 02:44 PM
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8. TIA, you just made my weekend. Your ongoing work
continues to tighten the noose around the impossible results.

:toast:
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-26-05 03:18 PM
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9. TIA, don't give up
What about in Miami Dade where approximately 13,000 got a 31 million handout from FEMA in an area that did not have high winds, they have all been indicted, please keep up your facts, there will be a "quiz" later after America wakes up from its hypnotic spell.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 03:52 AM
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10. 46.5% in favor of Bush/Policies is about the same as recent polls.
Just a co-incidence... :eyes:

TIA doesn't "Rock".

TIA is "The Rock".

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 04:21 AM
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11. The polls I read in early March are even worse than that for Bush.

NYT/CBS poll 3/3/05

--63% disagree with Bush domestic policy
--58% disagree with Bush foreign policy
--50% (vs 31%) say Democrats right on Social Security
--4 out of 5: government should insure decent living standard for elderly
--63% (inclu 48% of conservatives) disapprove of Bush on the deficit
--90% say deficit is very serious or somewhat serious problem

http://207.44.245.159/article8191.htm, or
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/03/politics/03poll.html?...


Other recent polls

--57% oppose war in Iraq
--63% oppose torture under any circumstances
--asked, was Iraq war "worth it": 44%-yes (Oct '04), 39% yes (Jan '05)
--Bush approval ratings stuck at around 50% and sank to 48% on his Inauguration Dayunprecedented disapproval for 2nd term president (huge "vote of no confidence" by the the American people)

Bush doesn't represent the majority of Americans on any important issue.
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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 11:36 AM
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12. wow! I am so impressed with your work and dedication on
this issue. Thank you.

I hope someday there will be a vindication of your facts in the media and in this country.
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Blue Shark Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-27-05 04:52 PM
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13. Too Bad...
...he WALKED AWAY!
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 11:13 PM
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17. Get over and stop complaining
Why don't you e-mail him and ask him why he walked away.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 12:36 AM
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14. Kick...nt
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-28-05 08:06 PM
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15. kick
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 02:33 AM
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19. Kick it again
:kick:
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-29-05 04:21 AM
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20. That sure convinces every part of me.
That Kerry won, I don't know how many people can't be convinced by that!

Check this out, Florida feds finally got serious about aggregators

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...

Its finally getting noticed all
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