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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:16 AM
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Mitofsky's background and an outrageous endorsement!
Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 02:27 AM by RaulVB
The Mexican PRI, political party that stole elections for almost 80 years in Mexico, hired guess who, to make sure the numbers matched...yes, WARREN MITOFSKY!

"In 1994, MI conducted the only exit poll and quick count for the Mexican presidential election reported by the country's broadcast industry. Mitofsky received public commendation by President Carlos Salinas for his contribution to the election's credibility. MI and its Mexican partner, Consulta, have conducted exit polls for most governor elections between 1997-99 for Televisa, Mexicos largest television network. Consulta/Mitofsky also covered the first PRI national presidential primary in 1999."

- Carlos Salinas de Gortari went into exile in the late 90's. He was going to be indicted for ordering...THE KILLING OF A POLITICAL OPPONENT!

http://www.mitofskyinternational.com/company.htm
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:21 AM
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1. Did you realize Mitofsky was involved in the 2000 election calls, too??
Edited on Wed Jan-26-05 02:24 AM by Carolab
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/media/july-dec00/badcall...

<snip>

WARREN MITOFSKY: Well, we made a beautiful mistake or a mistake that was a beaut, I should say. The first projection, the projection for Vice President Gore winning Florida, was a little before 8 o'clock. It was based on exit poll data, actual vote returns that were being released by voting officials and on county data that was being tabulated separately. And those three sources of data gave us projections, different projections that showed Vice President Gore carrying the state by a small but comfortable margin.

TERENCE SMITH: And were those bad numbers or was there poor judgment involved?

WARREN MITOFSKY: Well, we subsequently, after the projection was on the air, found bad numbers in one county, and we also had a sample that misrepresented the west coast of Florida. It over-represented the Democratic vote in the Tampa area.

TERENCE SMITH: Right. But then of course later you called it for Governor Bush.

WARREN MITOFSKY: Well, the projection after two o'clock in the morning was really based on the vote counts, almost all the votes were counted. I believe there were over 90 percent of those votes counted, and at that time Governor Bush was leading by about 56,000. We looked to see where the votes were missing -- the ones that have yet to be counted -- and when we did that analysis, we thought, Governor Bush had a sure margin of at least 30-35,000 votes. It turned out that that was wrong too.

TERENCE SMITH: Right.

Mistake was a beaut
WARREN MITOFSKY: That's why I said the mistake was a beaut.

TERENCE SMITH: Given your experience, were you surprised when you were wrong?

WARREN MITOFSKY: Well, yes, I've done this for many years. I've made mistakes before, not very many. I've called the wrong winner five times, you know, in over 30 years, but to make two mistakes in the same state in the same night is beyond anything that I've experienced before.

<more at link>
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:26 AM
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3. Yes, but this is just sick!
CAN YOU BELIEVE WHAT HE SAID THEN???

"WARREN MITOFSKY: Well, the projection after two o'clock in the morning was really based on the vote counts, almost all the votes were counted. I believe there were over 90 percent of those votes counted, and at that time Governor Bush was leading by about 56,000. We looked to see where the votes were missing -- the ones that have yet to be counted -- and when we did that analysis, we thought, Governor Bush had a sure margin of at least 30-35,000 votes. It turned out that that was wrong too."

Mitofsky, after 2:00 am, "PROJECTS" RESULTS BASED ON ACTUAL VOTE COUNT!!!

WHAT PROJECTION??? Is called WATCHING THE VOTE COUNT, Warren!

What a crook.

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:46 AM
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6. Especially when we all KNOW NOW that GORE WON! n/t
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 03:04 AM
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7. What a piece of crap he is.
TERENCE SMITH: Warren Mitofsky, what do you think about that? Has it reached a point where you ought to review what you do and how you do it?

WARREN MITOFSKY: Well, we review what we do after every election. We learn from our mistakes. Fortunately, we've had very, very few mistakes. The process is extremely reliable. As I say, I've participated in over 3000 elections in a half a dozen different countries. Prior to last night I have had exactly five mistakes in all these years. No process is perfect, but this process is about as good as I think you can make it. And we'll make it even better learning from last night's mistakes.

TERENCE SMITH: What are the lessons from last night's mistakes?

WARREN MITOFSKY: Well, the lessons are not to be more careful. We were as careful as we could be. And we were wrong. We can institute certain statistical procedures to help us with our quality control and our verification of numbers before we believe them and use them. And that part of the process deserves looking into and will probably get refined as a result of what happened last night.

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 12:29 PM
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11. But they still projected the other ~10%.
So call it mixed.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:25 AM
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2. Bought and paid for, need to get rid of him
:kick:
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:33 AM
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4. Raul, did you ever get in touch with those Latin pollsters?
They have been doing accurate polling for years, and it was based on their results that the Latino vote was corrected by NBC (who tried to blame it on exit polls being wrong).

It seems like they would be good people to talk to...
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 02:36 AM
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5. No response
They were "hinting" in other outlets that their main concern was to demonstrate that the Hispanic voters didn't go for "*" in bigger numbers this time around.

Afer that, I guess they felt their results were satisfactory.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 05:46 AM
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8. Truly amazing, he got paid to do this? What a waste of effort.
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NationalEnquirer Donating Member (571 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 11:27 AM
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9. Why does this NOT surprise me.
Mitofsky may be a crook.
I won't say IS a crook, but he certainly may be.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-05 11:42 AM
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10. kick this for later
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