Group glories in Kerry's defeat (SBV's)

[underpants]

Bastards :grr:

Swift Boat Veterans pleased ad campaign paid off, says a local organizer of effort

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031779014071

Its mission accomplished, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has essentially dissolved.

"I don't think there is any doubt that we succeeded," said retired Rear Adm. Roy F. Hoffmann, who helped start the organization from the den of his Chesterfield County home then saw it grow into a national movement.

Democrats and some independent observers questioned the veracity of the ads, particularly the initial one that suggested Kerry's Purple Heart wounds were superficial. Hoffmann said the organization stands by those claims, some of which were attested to in affidavits signed by Navy veterans who had served in the same Swift Boat squadron that Kerry served in.

Hoffmann said the organization, now up to about 280 veterans, is making plans for a low-keyed "Bon Voyage" reunion to celebrate its triumph.

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. They could be in for a nasty surprise if we can prove voter fraud

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Support Cobb, Nader, and Badnarik as they pursue recounts!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/electionreform.htm

[Tesibria]

2. Fascinating

... the Vietnam Veterans who supported the SBV were PREDICTING last Sunday/Monday that the SBV would again "abandon" them after using them for months.

People HOWLED with protest -- "We will never forget you. "This is just the beginning of "fixing" things. "We are going to continue the fight ... yada yada yada.

Guess not.

[Placebo]

3. Yea they are real patriots alright...

helping to keep a true American hero out of the oval office, while keeping an AWOL draft-dodger in office to send a new generation of American youth to their fiery, painful, and pointless demise.

[hlthe2b]

4. What a nasty karmic load they've earned.... I only hope some of us

get to see it dumped all over them...

[Modem Butterfly]

5. A friend of mine, who's an HR Director, discovered she has a Swiftee there

Let's just say it's a right-to-work state and leave it at that.

[iamjoy]

6. Ironic Justice (n/t)

[Loki]

7. May all 280 of them

live in a hell of their own making.

[righteous1]

8. cost election

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind they cost JK the elction, he was up by 3-4 points nationwide, then the ads hit

[underpants]

9. The month long free ad run under "Discussion" was what did it.

For all of August everyone was "talking" about the SBV's, I saw the ad 50 times without them paying for it. I blame the collective media (especially for not airing the FACT that none of their claims could be substantiated and that they themselves had undercut their own message) and the Kerry campaign for not beating that story down immediately.

You are right it did have a huge effect.

[progressivebydesign]

14. And further proof that most voters LOVE scummy, hateful ads..

I can't believe how many republicans were whining about how negative elections have gotten.. yet they are the most negative, by far. Scumbags like the SBVT only prove that people ARE swayed by hate and viciousness.

[pamela]

10. Bastards

I have half a notion to write or call Roy F Hoffman at

9030 Ivybridge Xing
Richmond, VA 23236-1506
[phone]

and tell him that the Swift Boat Liars have inspired me to change my Psych 101 lesson plan this year. Usually, when I am covering the Milgram obedience study, I talk about it in the context of Nazi Germany. This semester I went into great depth about My Lai instead. I was surprised how many of my students weren't really aware of the magnitude of these atrocities. It's part of my Psych Professors for Truth campaign.

[moondust]

11. Welp, back to being war criminals.

The coverup continues.

[demokatgurrl]

12. And this may be what pisses me off the most. Well that

and the ruin that will come to our country.

[progressivebydesign]

13. Those evil pigs deserve to be in prison...

They are the reason the word "hate" was invented. There is a special place in hell for people like that.. :grr:

[robbedvoter]

15. PS: swifties: Kerry won! (don't tell him!)

Part and parcel of the newly created reality.
If we accept we lost, all that crap is dumped on us. FOREVER.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3987237.stm

Early exit polls quoted by media seemed to give Mr Kerry the edge, but colleagues said Mr Rove indicated right away that they did not tally with his information.

He used his own data to put Ohio and Florida in the Bush column - bringing cheers from the president and his family when he went into the Roosevelt Room and told them