NEW!! FLORIDA FRAUD: New analysis/Mysterious AIM conversation

[St. Jarvitude]

I'm blanking out the person's screenname to protect the innocent (the guilty?). Something gives me a weird feeling though that I'm being trolled... maybe I am, maybe I'm not, but I'm going to post this info anyway.

I don't know if this is new info or not... I had only seen data on the 80,000 extra votes in Palm Beach County. Even if the info isn't new, this is analysis I haven't seen before (or at least that I don't recognize immediately).

I've bolded all of the anonymous person's messages for easier readability (it's still a bitch to read.. if someone could format this for me, I would really appreciate it)

I've saved a local copy of the page and their images. If this info is indeed new, how can it be forwarded to BBV so it will be read and acted on ASAP?

Here is the pertinent link
http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~adamsb6/elections/">An Examination of the Florida Elections


Message from (anonymous) at 02:41:15
Are you there?
Message from (anonymous) at 02:41:48
hey can you help me out
Message to (anonymous) at 02:42:25
... who are you?
Message from (anonymous) at 02:42:34
im not a du person nor do i aspire to become one but can you make a post in DU regarding some new info about florida my friend found out
Message to (anonymous) at 02:42:49
um
Message from (anonymous) at 02:42:53
sorry i'm a totally random person
Message from (anonymous) at 02:43:06
but i can't sign up on DU and I thought the information would benefit the ppl there
Message from (anonymous) at 02:43:20
cause it has to do with total votes recieved via florida
Message to (anonymous) at 02:43:23
ok, what's the info and what's the source?
Message from (anonymous) at 02:43:29
ok one sec
Message from (anonymous) at 02:44:01
we at somethingawful d&d have been compiling fraud info and whatnot in a megathread
Message from (anonymous) at 02:44:14
and my pal compiled a lot of information onto a site, but here i'll get the link and the new info ok
Message to (anonymous) at 02:44:39
you're from somethingawful?
Message from (anonymous) at 02:44:44
yes
Message from (anonymous) at 02:44:47
im a goon
Message from (anonymous) at 02:44:59
http://www.wwu.edu/~adamsb6/elections/ that's the site with info he's compiled
Message from (anonymous) at 02:45:21
and the new info is this Nearly 40% of the votes in Florida come from counties whose total votes exceed their voter turnout. Florida is reporting more votes in the presidential election than it is reporting citizens that turned out to vote. Adding all the presidential race votes reported by the Florida Department of State here yields a total of 7,588,422 votes. The Florida Department of State reports here that voter turnout totalled only 7,350,900. That's a difference of 237,522. 3.1% of Florida's presidential votes were in excess of the number of voters in the election. 380,952 votes separate the President and John Kerry in Florida.
Message from (anonymous) at 02:46:05
blah blah blah etc, you can view the graphcs and excel files with the data on them if you want, i just wanted this to be shared on DU but i can't join and you're like the only DU person whose aim i could find sorry
Message to (anonymous) at 02:46:11
since when does somethingawful give a shit about something that actually matters?
Message from (anonymous) at 02:46:18
what
Message to (anonymous) at 02:46:39
I love your site and everything
Message from (anonymous) at 02:46:44
uh its not my site
Message to (anonymous) at 02:46:48
well whatever
Message from (anonymous) at 02:46:51
im just a goon from one thread in one forum section
Message from (anonymous) at 02:47:08
but i'd thought you know you guys might like the site pass it around if you want, bandwidth is no prob
Message to (anonymous) at 02:47:14
o
Message to (anonymous) at 02:47:15
k
Message to (anonymous) at 02:47:20
thanks.
Message from (anonymous) at 02:47:25
yah n/p
Message from (anonymous) at 02:47:50
heres the chart though about the vote turn out numbers being wrong
Message to (anonymous) at 02:48:27
you know its funny
Message from (anonymous) at 02:48:31
i dont really get it all, but I guess that'd take off 200,000 votes from bush's 380,000 lead in florida or something
Message to (anonymous) at 02:48:52
like 25 minutes ago I went to jeffk's site for the first time in about a year
Message from (anonymous) at 02:49:01
haha yah it got updated finally
Message from (anonymous) at 02:49:37
lol what gave you the impression sa doesn't care about stuff that matters
Message to (anonymous) at 02:49:44
I dunno
Message from (anonymous) at 02:50:13
we did raise like 10,000 cool to get some body armor for some of our msgboard army guys going back on a second trip
Message to (anonymous) at 02:50:33
nice.
Message from (anonymous) at 02:50:55
anyway dude i dont know if all the info is wrong but if you spread it around, the faster it'll get debunked/proven correct
Message from (anonymous) at 02:50:58
i gtg
(anonymous) has changed their status to Offline.

[bobbieinok]

1. should be examined ASAP...potentially a BIG story..FLvotes>FLvoters

[ahimsa]

49. Isn't this backwards?

Voters = Registered Voters
Turnout = Votes cast

I must be missing something because those numbers look normal to me.

[St. Jarvitude]

2. UPDATE: The SomethingAwful thread with more evidence

They've done a great job assembling all of the data and evidence in one thread.

It's linked to on the page the guy provided me, but here it is for your convienence:

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=56d7475326bcad27071e3d4b20ce17e5&threadid=1319251&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

They seem reluctant to join forces with us, but if we got all of us together... we might be unstoppable.

[Carolab]

3. kick

[DELUSIONAL]

4. forward this to BBV

I am just now imputing Florida numbers into an Excel file from this site
http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

And when you look at the numbers up close and personal -- there are so many anomalies -- then I looked at the Statistical Significance of the data -- well see below.



the "p" in that chart stands for probability -- <.001

that "p" could also stand for fraud.

The data above needs to be looked at -- and compared with the Florida data in table formon the ustogether website -- they point out several of the anomilies that you really see when you input the data into your own spread sheet -- I really don't think the vastness of this fraud hits until you start to work with the numbers.

The idiots who pulled this off were arrogant -- they assume that the can get away with this sort of fraud. It really blows my mind.

[St. Jarvitude]

6. Forwarded

I've also been forwarding all of the prior info posted here at DU to a select few friends who I can trust.

This new stuff, though... I may have to go a bit more public with it (don't be misguided, I don't have any huge media connections or anything... I'm talking more presenting the info to ~100 of my fellow high school students).

[shelley806]

5. The problem is Bev Harris said that there is a media lockout for all

issues of election fraud/problems etc. Heard from a big wig in media and apparently they are in shock over it.

[St. Jarvitude]

7. We will have to make our own media then

Spread the word to whoever can hear it.

We really need to start submitting ALL of this stuff to Slashdot. They have some of the stuff, but none of the 80,000 Palm Beach phantom votes, and none of this.

If Slashdot is as high up the media chain we can get, we're still getting the info out to tens of thousands (if not millions, actually) of readers. It's a great start, but still not nearly where we will need to be by the end of the week.

[shelley806]

10. Sorry, what is Slashdott? Also can any of you do a search on DU?

I have the article from EarlG downloaded on my hard drive, but when I open the file, the address is not the right link. It shows a scan of CNN computer screen right before and after they changed the exit polling. I wanted to post it at another thread. If someone could search for: and post the DU link, I'd apprecite it!


EarlG (xxx posts) Wed Nov-03-04 12:53 AM
Original message
CNN just changed their Ohio exit poll page

Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 12:54 AM by EarlG
It's been showing the following all night:

[St. Jarvitude]

13. Slashdot is a huge news site for geeks

They link to stories from major news outlets on their main page. The big thing, though, is that you can discuss the stories too.

Comments are moderated by randomly selected people to be good/bad, so you can filter out the idiots and just read smart stuff.

The reason I say we should submit these stories to Slashdot is that the majority of the population there is bleeding heart liberal or libertarian (who - as Badnarik has proven - are somewhat sympathetic to our cause to expose the electoral fraud). There are also some pretty big people who post/lurk there... who might not otherwise have any idea about what's going on.

[Eloriel]

46. Here's some help for publicizing

Contains a sample letter along with a bunch of links at DU -- I've also collected more links I'll be adding in a little while. Same info, 3 different threads (take your pick):


URGENT: VOTE FRAUD? Tell everyone you know -- details
GENERAL NAME TBA FORUM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1337662

PRESIDENTIAL RESULTS AND DECISIONS FORUM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x28336


REPORT VOTING PROBLEMS FORUM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x1764#1815

[tinanator]

38. you needed her to tell you that?

crystal clear from the word go they were full of shit.
the only real surprise is anyone is surprised at all.
especially the reporters waking up to their lot.

[Oak2004]

53. The media does live broadcasts, right? Some of those TV news shows

are in front of windows open to the street?

New Yorkers (and wherever else the media is broadcasting): get out there with big signs talking about vote fraud. If you need to, do it stealth, with a sign that says something innocuous until you turn it around or flip it open or etc.

I'm going to be looking for wherever my local TV crews might be, and seeing if I can do my part, though leaving the house is a bit complicated for me (I'm disabled).

we also need posters, flyers, etc. to spread the word to non-internet frequenting folks. I've got one at

http://americanresistance.info/leaflets/blackarmbands.pdf

Or make your own.

Finally, if the international media discusses this, the American media will be forced to pick it up. E-mail international newspapers and broadcasters and ask them to pick up on this. Unless there's a preexisting list somewhere here that I don't know of, I think I'll go make such a list right now.

[peacetalksforall]

59. We need sky writers!

[Oak2004]

67. Yep, but they're hard to find

Everybody knows where to find Kinkos (or better yet, a non-GOP donor equivalent). That said, if there are any pilots who know skywriting seeing this, you know what to do.

I guess my concern is that I see many good ideas, but I'm not sure how many of them are being executed.

I've created a website ( http://www.americanresistance.info ). I've made one leaflet, and plan more. I've just had a few hundred of my leaflet printed this afternoon, and I'll be passing them out myself downtown and elsewhere tomorrow. That's no small feat for me, as I'm a normally housebound wheelchair user (in fact, it's going to be a very big strain on my body). I've connected Ida with my local Progressive Party chair, Tiki, who is now helping her greatly, and there has been discussion among the new Progressive state representatives about what to include about free elections in the Progressive legislative agenda this session. I've written a few letters (not sure how many). I went over to meetup.com, proposed a new topic on fighting election fraud, saw that the local impeach bush meetup was without an organizer, volunteered for that, and when introducing myself told them of the election issues, where to find out more, and how to get involved.

What have other people done? What do other people intend to do (concrete plans only)?

[tommcintyre]

8. I will add this info: EVOTING FRAUD RESOURCE CENTER

http://www.independentmediasource.com/evotingfraud.htm

[St. Jarvitude]

9. Could someone kick this for the morning crowd please?

I probably won't be able to sleep now, but I still have to go to school at 7:30 CST and won't be able to kick it (though I may be able to do it until about 9:00 CST).

This info needs to stay on page 1.

I'll be kicking as soon as I get home from school, and then after my dentist appointment.

[shelley806]

11. You bet. Thanks so much! Ouch the dentist! (My bro is a dentist)

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

15. Kick...

... eom

[shelley806]

12. kick!

[DELUSIONAL]

14. kick!!!

[St. Jarvitude]

16. Some more convo from the guy:

Message from (anonymous) at 03:51:48
yo dooder ty for making that thread, it's nice to see everyone working together for a common cause
Message to (anonymous) at 03:51:56
no prob.
Message from (anonymous) at 03:52:38
i actually just wrote a pretty long letter to Kerry via his senate office email cause i live in nantucket and like we're all depressed out here, really want him to win
Message to (anonymous) at 03:53:17
I thought for a while that kerry conceded just so he could fight it behind the scenes and not cause a ruckus
Message to (anonymous) at 03:53:27
but that theory is becoming less and less probable every day
Message from (anonymous) at 03:54:02
yeah but i don't think he really knew there was anything to fight until this stuff started popping up, he conceded wednesday right
Message to (anonymous) at 03:54:17
true
Message from (anonymous) at 03:54:22
i thought most of it started showing up the 4th 5th 6th etc
Message to (anonymous) at 03:54:45
someone claiming to be elizabeth edwards (apparently her id was verified..) posted on DU that they're monitoring the info
Message to (anonymous) at 03:54:51
and watching it very closely
Message from (anonymous) at 03:55:07
lol did you guys confirm that
Message to (anonymous) at 03:55:13
i dunno
Message to (anonymous) at 03:55:26
the guy who runs du confirmed it with the campaign or something
Message to (anonymous) at 03:55:42
im a little skeptical tho
Message from (anonymous) at 03:55:42
oh ok, i believe that
Message to (anonymous) at 03:56:25
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2604461&mesg_id=2604461
Message from (anonymous) at 03:56:29
I don't know man, maybe this circus show will end up like the Red Sox/Yankees playoffs
Message to (anonymous) at 03:56:34
lol
Message to (anonymous) at 03:57:00
yeah im surprised the media isn't picking this up just because the headlines practically write themselves
Message to (anonymous) at 03:57:05
seeing as how kerry's from boston and all
Message from (anonymous) at 03:57:37
yeah but use that to your advantage
Message from (anonymous) at 03:58:20
if the media doesn't report it, more people can keep working on finding messed up numbers, the bush PR team can't comment on it and try to like lie about it or change the subject
Message from (anonymous) at 03:59:15
anyway good luck and what not, keep up the good fight

[shelley806]

31. Please Thank Anonymous for all of DU when you get back tomorrow nt

[Siyahamba]

43. Thank you Anonymous - You are protected!

[leftchick]

17. kick

:kick:

[DELUSIONAL]

18. kick

[George_S]

19. Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters

Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters
November 5, 2004 04:56 PM

According to the official election results posted on the Palm Beach County election website, 542,835 ballots were cast for a presidential candidate while only 454,427 voters turned out for the election (including absentee). This leaves a discrepancy of 88,408 votes cast for the presidential candidates.

Palm Beach County's supervisor of elections is Theresa LePore who is known for the 2000 Presidential Election and the notorious "butterfly ballot" that caused confusion among seniors and other Floridians.

Other election oddities occurred throughout Florida with some counties registering a 400% increase in expected voter turnout among Republicans while Democrats supposedly experienced a -60% decline in expected support within certain counties. The 50+ counties experiencing the high percentage fluctuations in expected turnout used optical scan voting machines on November 2nd.

Vote discrepancies were also found in Gahanna, Ohio which gave an extra 4,000 votes to President Bush. The error was explained away by Franklin County administrators as a "glitch" in the electronic voting system.

Update: Palm Beach County has updated their numbers and added 91,802 absentee ballots and 1,041 provisional ballots. The vote totals for president increased by 1,543. To view an archived copy of the previous report, click here. While Palm Beach County appears to have accounted for the discrepancy, this underscores the flaws in the system and data compilation.

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000715.html

Partial confirmation. Anyone want to start at the bottom and work up? All I did was type in the county and number and did a google.

[juajen]

60. I will post this again

We need to canvass a small county in Fla. with anamolies. Verify the numbers by using the list of voters and have them sign statements that they voted and who they voted for. If we can show one county with fraudulent info, that should open pandora's box.

[George_S]

20. Hernado count (pdf link there by precinct)

Some of you are better at numbers if you want to take a look:

http://www.hernandovotes.com/newresults.htm

[George_S]

22. Doesn't make sense to me

Looks like:

Reg voters: 109656

Total voter: 79079

[George_S]

24. Still don't get it

Their total vote is: 79079

But the real total = 78520

Bush = 41847
Kerry = 36521
PEROUTKA = 59
BADNARIK = 93

Total = 78520

So they have 559 extra votes.

Right?

http://www.hernandovotes.com/pdf/2004GENERALELECTIONRESULTS.pdf

[jmc777]

28. Unless I'm not "getting it"...

....the numbers you posted suggest that they're missing 559 votes. I wonder if the spoiled votes are included in this? (The missing 559 being the spoiled votes....?)

[George_S]

30. 559 extra. Their total is higher than the total votes for pres.

Write in, maybe?

[George_S]

29. STILL don't get it :)

For the Istachatta precinct:

Reg. Voters = 1396
Total Votes = 705
GEORGE W BUSH (REP) = 402 57.02%
JOHN F KERRY (DEM) = 283 40.14%
MICHAEL A PEROUTKA (CPF) = 2 0.28%
MICHAEL BADNARIK (LIB) = 1 0.14%

57.02%
40.14%
00.28%
00.14%
______
=97.58%

Where did the other 2.42% go? Do they have votes they haven't included yet?

[George_S]

32. This is interesting

Early Voting
Bush = 6366 45.77%
Kerry = 7459 53.63%

Is early voting by machine?

[On the Road]

56. Here are the Missing 559 Votes

Votes for some small-party candidates are split out on separate pages. Look at pages 3 and 4, for example. The votes for Nader, Cobb, Harris, and Brown add up to exactly 559.

[George_S]

57. Thanks, ribofunk

Nothing ruins a theory like a few facts.

[EndElectoral]

44. Most of Hernando's polling locations are Churches...

[jmc777]

21. I can't find the voter turnout numbers.....

...on the http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/ website. Am I being blind/stupid?

I guess I should have read the updated thread at somethingawful.com......:+

ps: First post - hi! :)

[teryang]

25. No, you're not, the county presidential votes are...

...hard to find on the official Florida department of state web site. When you go to a county they show the state wide vote total only. You have to click on the presidential blue link above the state wide total on the county page to get to a table that shows county by county presidential votes.

Someone else had to explain this to me too. Sorry I don't have the links, gotta go to work.

[jmc777]

27. Thanks teryang!

Don't work too hard today! ;)

[DELUSIONAL]

26. Turn out seems to be reported on county websites

Choose the county and then click on the country website

Registered voters 142358 - Cards Cast 111287 Num. Report Precinct 69- Num. Reporting 69

*UNOFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS*
November 2, 2004
Alachua County, All Races, All Precincts
Includes Early Votes and Most Absentee Ballots

What is interesting is that the webpage (link below) for the results is called

"GEMS ELECTION RESULTS"

Now the words GEMS gets my attention because this is the software that Bev discusses in her book Black Box Voting.



http://www.elections.alachua.fl.us/results.html

[NMDemDist2]

33. welcome to DU jmc

:hi:

[jmc777]

64. Thank you! :) n/t

[St. Jarvitude]

23. Argh, link fixed

Fixed link

[George_S]

34. This link might help

http://www.geekandproud.net/

[shelley806]

35. Kick!

[acmavm]

36. A link to this thread needs to be reposted twice today. Once during the

day for the day people, once again this evening for those who work during the day.

This looks like it's really going somewhere.

[George_S]

37. Wrong, unless they have the real office numbers

And Florida doesn't:

http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/StatusRpt.Asp?ElectionDate=11/2/2004&Datamode=E

EDIT for direct link.

[txindy]

39. We need to take all of our info. and locate SY HERSH. IMMEDIATELY.

Contact 'The Daily Show'. Hersh was a recent guest. They'll locate him. Contact other print media and try to get all of our info., including the collective links, to Sy Hersh. If the TV media won't touch this, then Hersh will. He knows what he's dealing with in this admin.

We need to get Sy Hersh involved right now. Any ideas on how to reach him?

[Pirate Smile]

48. Would a pollster like Zogby be able to see the craziness of some of these

numbers? Analyzing numbers is his job. Should we throw some of this information at him?

[St. Jarvitude]

69. Good idea I haven't heard before

Wow... I can't believe I didn't think of that.

I'll work on getting some of this stuff to Zogby.

[Pirate Smile]

73. Yeah, I love to be original.

[Magginkat]

40. A Miracle For Republicans Happened in my hometown

and all over Florida!

I have several pages of graphs on my web site that shows what appears to be an "miracle" for republicans. I took a chart posted at

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

and converted it to show how many more votes were recorded for republicans than there were registered republicans. It's a miracle folks. All over Florida, in county after county it looks as though the equivalent of 100% of all registered republicans voted plus they convinced thousands of Democrats & independents to vote for Bush.

In the county where I reside (Escambia) the following results were posted:

Total registered Voters 189,833 Total Votes Cast----- - 142,895

Registered Republican- 43.8% = 83,147 - Rep votes cast -- 93,311

Registered Democrat -40.7% = 77,262 - Dem votes cast -- 48,207

Others - - 1377

The results defy all logic.

If you can believe your eyes, Republicans not only had the equivalent of 100% of all registered republicans casting a vote but apparently 10,164 Democrats or other parties opted to also vote for Bush in Escambia County! This is the Bible belt that I live in but there's no way in hell that even they could pull off this crap at such an amazing rate.

In county after county it's like that and this is Optical Scanners people with a paper trail!

I would appreciate it if any and all people here will check these numbers and tell me if I have screwed up. It does not seem possible that someone in an official position is not screaming his head off.

Start with:
http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

The bar (charts below) represent the difference between the number of voters registered and the number who voted. The negative numbers means that more people voted republican than were registered.



http://www.granniesagainstgeorge.us/diebold_magic_anyon...

http://www.granniesagainstgeorge.us/floridaAmazingElect...

http://www.granniesagainstgeorge.us/florida2.htm

http://www.granniesagainstgeorge.us/florida3.htm

Let me know at [email protected] if you can confirm or dispute these charts. I admit that I am an amateur with Excel but I think my charts agree with the information available from the election results.

[dweller]

41. swift

:kick:

back to top.

dp

[Straight Shooter]

50. That's it, that's the slogan! "IT'S A MIRACLE, FOLKS!"

Play up this election fraud as if a miracle happened, frame it in the sense of "how in the world could this happen." "Praise God, we had a miracle in this election."

I don't know about you, but even Christians can't stretch a miracle so far as to believe that God actually reached out and touched the machines and jiggled their results to come down in favor of pResident Tater Tot. It's more likely that the devil's playground is in Florida again. I've been saying that all this "Lookey here, lookey at Ohio" is a distraction.

Rove is the master of deception and distraction, we've seen it over and over and over in the last three years. Remember the NYT article that quoted a major player in the bush administration? "While you're busy dealing with your reality, we're creating another reality."

Florida. They're betting we wouldn't think they would be so "emboldened" *cough* as to try it again.

[donkeyotay]

52. Wow! What an excellent site. Thanks for all your HARD WORK

"The results defy all logic."

We shall work away on this. But King George the Disaster Monkey doesn't need hard work, he lives in an on-going trifecta. Why, he must be a virtual black hole of good fortune.

I am reminded of the infamous Suskind article in which he quotes some neocon as saying that they don't deal in reality, they create it. And while people are busy reacting to that reality, they create more. (Fallujah and Social Security privatization, for example.)

Not only do neocons not believe in reality, they don't believe in the people, the people's right to know and govern. In other words, they don't believe in the god-given rights that the conservative claim to cherish. Wonder how much longer the right can keep its collective head shoved up its collective ass in order to not see that what they are "winning" in this country is the greatest threat to our freedom.

[EndElectoral]

42. Not sure I get all this, but waht happened in Hernando?

[shtinkycat]

45. kick to the top n/t

[Expat_Kristen]

47. THIS IS NOT NEW

This information is blatantly available on Florida's Dept. of State website at http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/ - just add up the numbers for total presidential votes, and look how that is more than voter turnout.

I emailed them last week asking WTF was the reason for that. Of course, I've had no response.

[bluedonkey]

51. I'm sending this to Germany

I got mail from American Voices Abroad.They are very interested.
I emailed some friends in Germany and Finland,german ebay chat room and Amvoices responded.I;m so happy!

[On the Road]

54. This is Riveting!

What looked like a very heavy turnout may be ballot-box stuffing.

I think THIS is the place to focus -- on the counties where votes are greater than voters. That's a situation no one can deny.

On the other hand, I think the model of machine is a bit of a red herring, at least the way they're going about it. The machines are not randomly distributed -- that's the key. Any systematic differences between voting technologies can easily be attributed to differences in geography. You need similar or identical populations to have a valid study.

[progressivebydesign]

55. There's another DU thread about TOO many votes in Ohio..

WTF is up with the overvoting in those two states?

[SteppingRazor]

58. I get the same numbers, give or take

when I add up the numbers turned over to the press via prevention of FOIA requests, give or take a few additions for absentees that have been turned in since this was posted. It is pretty alarming.
Votes aren't officially certified until 10 days after the election. If it's still this screwy by then, it should be lawsuit time. I'll definitely write something on this. Can't speak for my fellows in the "liberal" media, though. ;)

[Copperred]

61. Kick

kick

[batchdem04]

62. It looks like FL updated their website

http://enight.dos.state.fl.us /

The numbers seem to match now

[lessthanjake]

63. Is this true in other states?

Someone investigate whether other states have the same problem.

[jean]

65. kick!

[hatrack]

66. Let's be careful that we're not being set up for another CBS fiasco...

...there are some folks who might find it in their interest to feed websites like this with false info, so that if it reaches the major media and a lot of the info doesn't pan out, the whole issue of blackbox voting problems or actual vote tampering will blow up in our faces, ala the CBS story about W's Air National Guard Service. I don't know if voter fraud happened or not, but Bev Harris, Will Pitt and the other people and groups who are trying to document this need to be very, very careful to verify the validity of the info they are receiving.

[St. Jarvitude]

68. I'm still somewhat suspicious we're being trolled

SomethingAwful isn't exactly the kind of site that has a reputation to keep, and some of the pages they host do this kind of stuff (troll people via AIM).

But there is so much info + analysis on that page, that I find it hard to believe that any random idiot who posts on SomethingAwful (though it's a great site) would take the time to troll us.

[99Pancakes]

71. good point

Use your shrewdness mixed in with gut reactions. All info should be checked out before screaming to the media. Maybe it's good this is all happening with quiet deliberation.

[St. Jarvitude]

70. kick for the late nite crowd

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[conflictgirl]

72. About the discrepancies in Florida re: registrations

I posted about this at another site. I pointed out all the percentages in some counties like Holmes, where there was a high percentage of registered Democrats but the counties went overwhelmingly for Bush in the election. Someone there said that this is because a lot of Republicans registered as Democrats so they could vote in the primaries to try to pick Bush's opponent, so those people would've voted differently than their registered affiliation. Does anyone know anything about this?

[St. Jarvitude]

74. The FL Dem primary is pretty useless

By then, most of the other candidates had dropped out and Kerry was pretty clearly in the lead.

I don't know much about the technical aspects of selecting a party affiliation (I'm not yet 18), but it seems to me that registering to vote for a primary does not register you to vote in the General Elections... does it? Does it in Florida?

[cynthia]

75. kcik

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