Does anyone REALLy believe * will be impeached?

[Nightjock]

The deppression is setting in BIG time. I can't even imagine how it will be on Thursday when bush officially steals his second straight election.

I know John K. won the election. I know it will take a long time to prove it (if it can be proven)

I see the chimps smirking face and I am filled with hatred.
I see the grieving families of the fallen in his bullshit war and I want to cry.
I see patsies for the Iraq prison torture scandal go to prison for years and Rumsfeld walk away free.
I hear bush talk about what a great man Martin Luther King was and he suppresses the Black vote in the election.

I wish I had money like Dustin Hoffman so I could move to London too.

God damn you george bush. You murdering, lying, scumbag.

[ladjf]

1. No. But, it's a wonderful fantasy. And if it could come true,

it would have a profound curing effect on the mass Psyche of human race, all around the world. Hope might re-enter the lexicon of possible emotions.

[forgethell]

2. No,

he will never be impeached.

And John Kerry will never be proven to have been elected Presedent. Don't you think that if * stole the election, and the proof hasn't emerged after all this time, then with another 4 years in power ALL the bodies will be safely buried?

x(

[Goldeneye]

3. Scott Ritter was on the radio this morning

talking about Bush's impeachable offenses. He said they were impeachable. If we get the house and senate back, maybe there is hope. We have to get the voting fixed in 2 years...is that even possible?

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[in_cog_ni_to]

8. We have to get the voting fixed in 2 years

is that even possible?

No. It's not possible. The repukes control the House, Senate, WH and SCOTUS. The evoting system works just fine for THEM. Why would they change it? It will NEVER be changed. The repukes are in power forever until fraud can be proven. That won't ever happen unless we have some very brave whistleblowers. Anyone who knows what the repukes have done had better watch their backs because if Rove has ANY inkling one may come forward, they will be dead. Our system is gone and won't be fixed in 2 years time. IMCPO

[Darknyte7]

19. Sadly, I agree with you...

Until there is real electoral reform, I don't see Democrats winning sh*t in federal elections. The republicans have no motivation whatsoever to make any changes to the system.

It will take something approaching the level Watergate to hobble the party in power right now.

[emcguffie]

32. Need good exit polls

We need to set up an organization or arrangement or SOMETHING to do "real" exit polls, that can be used to verify the outcome of an election.

We need to do that badly.

[emcguffie]

31. do it by state

We have to agitate at the state level, and force state elections officials to get verifiable voting equipment.

[Carolab]

54. We need to tell them to park the damn machines and go back to paper.

Paper ballots in transparent ballot boxes, hand counted--just like Spain. A few weeks to print them up, tops. A few days to count them. Volunteers, bi-partisan teams. Open to the public.

Put the machines away. Anything more they waste on machines, it's on their heads.

We must DEMAND paper ballots, hand-counted. Don't you SEE THAT?

[emcguffie]

55. forgetting lobbyists?

There's no way they will let us go back to paper ballots hand counted. No money for business.

[Carolab]

60. We ARE lobbyists. n/t

[loritooker]

47. Yes I do think it's possible. With some time, the truth will come out. nt

But I've been wrong before. It depends on a lot of people just keeping the pressure on for a few years. It's harder now than, say, in Nixon's day because he at least knew he'd done wrong and was on the verge of being caught. These people think that no on has the right to even question them. Their arrogance eclipses that of Nixon's. IMO

[Senior citizen]

4. No, he'll shoot himself in a bunker. n/t

[pixelthief]

6. Hell yes n/t

[PaganPreacher]

7. Does "anyone"? Yes.

Do I?
No.

With that said, you may want to look for good things in your own life to reduce your burning hatred. It's bad for your body, and your soul.


Puppies don't care who won the election. They are happy.

The Pagan Preacher
I don't turn the other cheek.

[NationalEnquirer]

9. Yes, he could be!

Remember the Repugs got Clinton impeached over SEX!
There has GOT to be something out there, waiting to be found.
Something with MUCH more meaning than the meaning of "is".
There is simply too much smoke, a stifling black mist, for there not to be FLAMES somewhere.
Heck, even if we have to take him down with some sex scandal.
Maybe he is banging Condi?
Unless she is really in the closet.
Whatever, the ends would justify the means.
But it would be best to get him on something that would have some kind of cathartic effect on all of us.

[Independent_Liberal]

11. I think...

The only way the answer will be yes is if we stop saying NO! Remember, we have to stay focused.

Dig up some info on Stanley Hilton. He's the guy with evidence of the Bush administration's involvement with 9/11. He's been working on this case for a long time, he's risked his life and his career. He knows the exact strategy and how we can be successful. I'd say we get in touch with Hilton and maybe he'll be one of our new heroes and leaders.

Lets keep telling our Dem leaders how scared we are and make sure they do everything in their power to help us. Never give up.

[KansDem]

23. He needs to be put under oath, first...

It will be ever so easy to catch him in a lie, and the GOP knows this. That's why Republicans will not put him under oath, or allow the Democrats to put him under oath.

That's why the 9-11 Commission Report is such a farce; because the President was granted lying privileges in that he was permitted to "testify" in secret, without being under oath, and with Dick Cheney there to "help" him with his answers. And now the US is set on implementing the "recommendations" of the report to the tune of millions of dollars.

As long as Bush will never go "under oath," he will never be impeached.

[Warpy]

10. The key is Tom Delay

As long as he is where he is and allowed to control the purse strings of the RNC, the rest of the pubbies will be foreced to toe the line and do whatever the Idiot wants.

If the suits in Texas are successful, and Delay is carted off in shackles (the only way he'll ever leave, IMO), then we might very well see the party moderates impeach Idiot.

If not, I can see the Pentagon acting before his own party does.

[electropop]

12. Yup, if DeLay gets his due,

the House will be slightly more free to think. Already there are serious rumblings emerging from the right side of the House and the Senate. Bushit has marginalized all intelligent Repubs, and made them look like amoral fools. Some are not one bit pleased, and now that he's a lame duck, they'll say what they really think sometimes.

[rachelbirds]

17. I don't think he'll get his due

The prosecutor seems to have backed off some. My mom lives there and is/was a Kerry fan. Anyway, she said locals don;t think it'll happe. The prosecutor is changing his tune. Scared, Paid off, threatened????

[electropop]

22. Where's our KKKarl Rove,

strategically savvy enough to see that the DeLay case is a turning point? If we had people swoop in as apparently DeLay has, we could get the case back on track, jail DeLay, and start rebuilding integrity in the Congress.

[Independent_Liberal]

25. That's one thing to focus on, DeLay

Lets make life miserable for DeLay. We can start by taking him down.

And remember what I said above about Stanley Hilton and his 9/11 suit. We need to get him to work with our leaders like Kerry, Kennedy, Boxer, Conyers, Reid, etc.

Another good start is by putting a stop to this illegal Iraq war.

Keep fighting. Tell them how you feel.

[RaleighNCDUer]

13. No, but I dream of the day when we regain power and he is

indicted, along with the rest of the PNAC criminals.

[New Earth]

14. yes

i do believe he will somehow NOT be in office within the next 2 years.

[rachelbirds]

15. impossible

Who would do it? The REPUBLICAN House or the REPUBLICAN Senate!! Not gonna happen. We could never get the votes!

[helderheid]

16. we'd have to get rid of the election problems before 2006

not impossible but a huge battle.

[rachelbirds]

you're right

[borg5575]

37. After 2006

The only chance would be if the Democrats retake control of both houses of Congress in 2006. If W screws things up as badly as I think he will in the next two years then I think they might get the majority back in 2006.

But even then it would be difficult because only 1/3 of the Senate will be up for election and that wouldn't provide enough turnover to get the Democrats to 2/3 of the Senate which is what they would need to convict him. Plus the whole process would take so long that even if they tried it he would almost be out of office in 2008 before they could do it.

That whole thing is really sad.

[corbett]

51. That's Right

2006 is key, which is why Kerry has come out swinging. He has decided to correct the 2004 election theft within the beltway. Of course, he would have served his supporters better by fighting the rigged election but that's water under the bridge. He has enough backing to buck true election reform all the way to the West Wing but he has to start NOW.

After that, impeachment is a definite possibility. The House is the sticking point. There are many more moderate Republicans in the Senate than the House. If a Democratic majority can be regained in the House, then impeachment is a possibility. At a minimum, a slugfest against Gonzales could be engaged.

Every fatality in Iraq must be answered by our continuing to push for impeachment.

[sepia_steel]

18. I don't know if he will be

but I believe that he can be. And I believe we will and SHOULD try, and support those who try.

[understandinglife]

20. Yes. (n/t)

[cindyw]

21. If we can win back the House and the Senate. Yes.

That must be our goal.

[ClassWarrior]

24. I BELIEVE.

NGU.

[Bethany Rockafella]

26. I don't.

The Republicans would never vote to impeach that weak-lying-never accepting responsibility-sack of shit.

[Rosco T.]

27. Depends on the '06 elections... should we get a House Majority..

.. then at the LEAST all his crimes will get exposed for everyone to see...

[glitch]

28. I believe.

Actually I don't, but I wear the buttons anyway.
I do believe he'll implode though, maybe even this year.

[BigBearJohn]

29. I *WAS* depressed, but I'm now focusing on winning back the Senate/House

I think we should start making plans on how we can contribute to
winning back Congress. A massive grass-roots effort. Like NOTHING
ever seen before. Enough complaining from me. I am now going to
focus all my energy on getting the House and Senate back. THEN we
can make some real progress. Anybody with me on this?

[Independent_Liberal]

30. Good thing to focus on

Yeah, I'd say go for it. And in the mean time, lets do everything we think is possible.

[helderheid]

33. I'm with you

but it won't happen unless we reform the elections - otherwise it will be stolen again, no matter how much time and energy we focus on our candidates. We need to expose the media and get the elections reformed. If we all focus on that, we may have a chance.

[BigBearJohn]

35. They can't hide an AVALANCHEof votes

and I do believe we have it in our power
to cause that effect. Millions upon millions
of people at the voting booths. Let them
try to fix THAT vote.

[emcguffie]

34. Give it six months.

Some astrologer, about a month ago on DU, gave a analysis of the -- please don't laugh -- astrological forces on the election. He said it looked to him like in six months Bush might be exposed somehow, and suffer defeat basically, and humiliation.

I'm not an astrologer, but they are really pretty good at things like that, in my experience. Liz Greene predicted the demise of the Soviet Union 8 or 9 years before it happened. I owned the book in the early eighties. She said, "It looks like the USSR's forced wives will be asking for divorces."

So, I would like to talk to that astrologer again, the one that said six months.

[Coexist]

36. I do. I don't know why, maybe I'm an optimist...

but I see him being publicly humiliated in a big way in the future. He is too cocky - too arrogant. People like * and falafel-boy are so full of their infallibility that they make monstrous errors in judgement.

[emcguffie]

39. I do too. People have turned against him.

The majority of Americans voted for Kerry. They are turning on the Bushies.

There are other "predictions" that apply to this situation. I transcribed an interview back in the 80s with a French author who had just written his "interpretation" of the Nostradamus predictions. (Not one more!) He said that he thought things would get very dicey in the early 21st century, that people would lose their way, but that the smart guys would pull the shit out of the fire in time. By 2015 or 2020.

I just hope he has his years off.

Then there's another one, about the 80 year shift. Book a couple of years ago, but I read about it on Buzz Flash, I think. Every 80 years there is a kind of a revolution in the US. Some huge change provoking more change. Like the Depression. I don't remember them all, but there is something every 80 years. And this is the 80 years.

Then there was that astrologer.

I'm probably deluding myself, but truth has to come out, doesn't it? Eventually?

[zann725]

61. 6 mos. to a year.

And regarding Astrologers/psychics. There was one famous one who said Shrub would have NO connection to power by early 2006; and another psychic who said Shrub was due to have SERIOUS health problems REAL SOON; and another who said Shrub would expire by the end of 2005.

But they're just crystal balls, right?

[seriousstan]

38. No, and I think it is counterproductive to keep the cry up.

The impeach movement started in Nov. 2000 and hasn't let up. What has it gotten us? The House? The Senate? The White House? NO

What it has done is immunize Bush from any real threat of impeachment if and when the case can be made for it.

[Philly Buster]

41. Good point Stan

All the wishful thinking and tin foil conspiracy theories only make the democratic party base look like dolts. Or at least whining sore losers.

Unfortunately Bush won. It's time to work toward the future, not wallow in the past.

[McCamy Taylor]

40. I think all his advisers will be forced to resign, and he will have to

pardon them all when they are convicted for their crimes, and there will be no one left to tell him what to do except Laura, at which point he will have to resign from all the stress and whichever GOPer he has selected to be his Gerald Ford will take over as Pres.

I dont think anyone will ever impeach the Commander in Chimp. It would be cruel to try to hold the Village Idiot accountable.

[MadisonProgressive]

42. Yes.

[Imagevision]

43. Question remains what will continue on in Iraq after Jan. 30th.??

I wish I had money like Dustin Hoffman so I could move to London too.

[earth mom]

44. It's a possibility

And one way to do it is catch him red handed on audio/video saying or doing something impeachable. That shouldn't be too difficult to get him to do...it's the taping of it that will be the tough part.

[icehenge]

45. Yes!

It will take time I think and as others have importantly
mentioned we need control of the house and senate.

The garbage is piling up on them, we need to keep
working and supporting our representatives and senators.
Letting our voice be heard.

Little by little our efforts will mount up I think.

[Andrea]

46. I think there is a very good chance.

The high crimes and misdemeanors have already been committed. For more info, see John Dean's "Worse Than Watergate" or this article at Salon:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/01/18/scandal/index_np.html

It may happen without a Dem majority in either house because a lot of Republicans are fed up with him - think of Hagel and Lugar, among others. Things are starting to move. Watergate brought down Nixon because of bipartisan concern over his crimes. *'s crimes are much worse.

[MichaelTheCat]

56. Can I view that document without being a Salon member?

I would really like to read it. Any chance you're a member and can cut and paste it for me?

[Andrea]

59. I'm not a member, but...

I read it yesterday by first viewing a 30 second ad. After you view the ad, you can read all you want for a day.

[bunny planet]

48. Yes I do.

Way to many scandals for them not to drop the ball on at least one of them. Their arrogance will eventually bring them down. They've already got the Armstrong Williams scandal since the election and * hasn't even been re-coronated again.

It'll happen.

[NoPasaran]

49. I think there's a better chance

that a witch (no offense meant to Wiccans) will turn him into a frog.

Which would actually be more satisfying, I think.

[mod mom]

50. Ido. We grassroot activists need to hound them on everything.

I believe the Iraq debacle will be their downfall. I will not relent until he is tried for war crimes!

[MichaelTheCat]

52. I can't say I do.

Honestly, the best we can hope for at this point is the eventual acceptance by the public that Bush's presidency was illegitimate from start to finish.

If only we could convince the international community that Bush's inauguration doesn't represent the true will of the majority of Americans.

[Walt Starr]

53. Let's see, Democrats would ahve to win back the House and gain

2/3 control of the Senate to get rid of the dumbass and then Cheney would take over.

Hmmmmmm...

Nope, it's not going to happen.

[smartvoter]

57. Not without a House or Senate majority. nt

[zann725]

62. That doesn't rule out Int'l. War Crime charges.

n/t

[mod mom]

66. How do we get them to start proceedings for war crimes?

[Karenca]

58. I have to believe he'll be impeached....It's what's keeping

me from fleeing the country.

[Democrat Dragon]

63. The thing that would ALMOST garuantee *'s impeachment is...

The ULTIMATE smear campaign! That means finding the the smoking guns for:

1. Faking WMDS
2. Election Fraud
3. 9/11

Then they must be put out into the public, and ALL Senators, Democrat, Independant,and Nazi would then be put into the hotseat. They would sacrifice their puppet shrubenfuher for their seats. It is also possible that the rest of the cabal could be IMPRISONED if found guilty. or RESIGN out of their cover being blown

[lostnfound]

64. Yes. Maybe some inside information.

Which has had me smiling for more than a week.

Maybe not for a year or two, but I do believe it could happen. Some people in high places think it could happen, too.

[Democrat Dragon]

65. kick