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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:22 PM
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I listened for certication news on NPR today...
...At about 5:30 PM. I was driving to pick up my repaired car...hadn't been able to tune in to the news earlier today. (I have to admit I actively avoid broadcast "news" about politics anyway these days, it just makes me weep. Literally...)
Anyway, I knew from my frequent visits to DU that the Democrats were expected to mount a challenge today...with the help of Barbara Boxer and perhaps other senators. I expected to hear about it.
I didn't.
NPR simply said that the vote had been officially certified, and played a tape of Cheney making the official statement. There was NO MENTION of the challenge. NONE ZIPPO NADA. I heard at least two cycles of the news driving back and forth from my car dealer...no mention at all was made of the challenge.
Did I simply miss the story on NPR? Or has that great muffling blanket that the "Press" is obediently covering us up with simply gotten thicker?


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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:25 PM
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1. NPR gets federal grant money.
Ya think maybe they don't worry about losing it?
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:46 PM
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13. not like they used to, though.... n/t
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:26 PM
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2. Union Report on Debate below - US Media is GOP Media is useless
Electorial Debate
Summary of Electorial Debate-Union view on "What Election Challenge Means"


MODS - this is posted with permission of Swanson and ILCA

What Election Challenge Means

By David Swanson, ILCA -International Labor Communications Association, AFL-CIO / CLC

Thirty-three Members of the US House of Representatives, and one all-important Senator -- one more than four years ago -- voted not to accept Ohio's 20 electoral votes for George Bush. The votes were 33 to 260 and 1 to 72. The protesters lost. What does it mean?

First, it's worth noting that more than one Senator took action. Barbara Boxer announced her intention to challenge the election on Thursday morning. By midday Senators Chris Dodd, Hillary Clinton, Harry Reid, and Barak Obama had let it be known that they would support Boxer. During the discussion in the Senate, Richard Durbin, Debbie Stabenow, Edward Kennedy, Ron Wyden, Frank Lautenberg, and Tom Harkin joined the others in speaking in support of Boxer's challenge. And in the House, numerous members spoke, one after another, until the time was up, and the number voting for the challenge jumped to 33 from the 8 that had been known early in the day.

Yet, those looking for as strong as possible a challenge were disappointed. Plenty of Democrats voted No, including Senators who had spoken in support. And one Democratic Senator, Mark Dayton, actually rose and spoke against the challenge. Several Senators and Congress Members spoke in support of the challenge but said they were not questioning Bush's victory. (The election system is broken, but the election system worked -- a notion that makes political sense to some if logical sense to few.) Not a single Republican joined the Democrats in either chamber. The certification of the vote was not stopped. Nothing was changed.

Or was it? I would suggest that the following things have been changed:

1. The topic of election fraud has been forced into the corporate media. Reporters wanting to write about it now have a "hook." They can report on it now in the way they could have two months ago if Senator John Kerry hadn't crawled under his bed to hide. Sure, much of the media today treated the story as one of "political theater" and "grandstanding Democrats," but until now the story had not been there at all.

http://ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&...

Now the Democrats have the opportunity to explain why fighting for Democracy is the only decent thing to do, even when success seems unlikely.

2. We now have solid evidence that a political party can challenge a stolen election without causing national trauma of the sort Kerry tried to protect us from by conceding. Most Americans are not now in agony over the tensions felt on January 6th in Congress.

3. We have demonstrated that a grassroots movement of minorities and progressives can mobilize around an issue completely blacked out of the media and move US Senators to act. The reason Barbara Boxer stood tall today, while not even Paul Wellstone would do so four years ago, is that four years ago there was no massive grassroots lobbying effort. Nobody was holding "Boxer Rebellion" demonstrations at Boxer's offices four years ago. There were no hearings and bus rides, telephone and fax campaigns, nothing like what we've seen for the past two months. We also lacked the leadership that Congressman John Conyers has shown, but Conyers will be the first to say he couldn't have done this without a movement behind him. The rally Thursday morning across from the White House (report and photos here:

http://ilcaonline.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&...

was a celebration of success against the odds, of accomplishment in the face of scorn and ridicule with only justice and determination to keep people going. There will be momentum coming out of this for supporters of democracy all over this country.

4. A coalition has begun to form and to feel its power. Cliff Arnebeck of Alliance for Democracy and Common Cause Ohio told me Thursday morning that the way the Cleveland AFL-CIO worked with the white public interest crowd and the black civil rights folks on this issue is matched by the way the Ohio state AFL-CIO is working with these groups in opposition to a Republican proposal in Ohio to eliminate campaign finance limits. Labor, Arnebeck said, is one of the three key parts of a coalition that must be built nationally.

"Labor has to be viewed as a public interest organization," he said. "Every organization has its own selfish interests. But the labor union movement stands for democracy and not for benefiting a small elite, but for the vast majority - not for this CEO club. It's going to come together…This will revitalize all three movements."

5. The Democratic Party has put its toes into the water of actual opposition to the Republicans. Today ended any remaining credibility for another presidential nomination for Kerry -- and probably for any other senators who did not voice their support for Barbara Boxer's challenge. Those who did not speak today will have to campaign against that record, as Kerry campaigned against his vote for Bush's war. The Democrats have begun to emerge as a second party in what has often seemed a one-party or duopolistic system. More power to them. It's up to us to keep this ball rolling by urging aggressive action on election reform and all other issues. The Democrats have started to copy Republican brashness. If they can cease copying Republican policy positions, there may be hope for them yet. Reid announced that he would introduce an election reform bill in a few days.

Call Reid's office. Thank him for what he did today. Ask him to think big and write the bill he wants, not the bill he thinks the Republicans will accept.

International Labor Communications Association, AFL-CIO / CLC
888 16th St. NW Suite 630
Washington, D.C. 20006


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mycatforpresident Donating Member (172 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 12:04 AM
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16. This made me feel really good,
did you post it as a stand alone thread elsewhere?
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:26 PM
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3. That makes me sick! I regularly get news from them. NO MORE!!!n/t
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:54 PM
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14. Tell them why. They actually read their mail.
Edited on Thu Jan-06-05 11:59 PM by KaliTracy
I know this because after Pam Fessler's innane report on "Voting Myths" immediately after the election on All Things Considered, (the information she gave was a lot of supposition ("Dixie Crats," etc.) -- Exit polls wrong (quoted Zogby), etc.) that

I (and hundreds of others) wrote that night (Wednsday the 3rd), Thursday is their Read a Letter Day, and all but maybe one of the letters they read were about this report. AND -- I (and hundreds of others) told her to do some "real" reporting. Many of us must have mentioned Youngstown and the Votes going from Kerry to Bush, because Friday the 5th on Morning Edition she actually went there, and interviewed a person who had verification from a poll worker that it happed (interviewed the poll worker too), as well as machine people and pro-e voting people.

So... they are STILL National Public Radio -- in my opinion it is our obligation to remind them of that.
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:26 PM
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4. I'm listening to an audio replay of the proceedings on NPR right now.
On Minnesota Public Radio, my local NPR affiliate.
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:34 PM
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5. I'm glad to hear that...
But wouldn't it make sense to run at least a brief informative headline in the "All Things Considered" news summary about this event? It's only happened twice before in the history of the country.. You shouldn't have to be a news/politics junky to be informed of such an unusual happening.
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sketchy Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:40 PM
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6. NPR story started at 5:20
Ten minutes before you started listening! There was a quote from Tubb-Jones, and one from Boxer, as well as (I think) two Republican comments. I can't believe it but I've repressed right now the identity of the Republicans, and what they said. PTSD, no doubt. The reporter was Andrea Seabrook.

I came away thinking it was a very perfunctory report, and did not do this historic event of the challenge justice.
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:46 PM
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7. Good....but...
as I said before...Anyone just dipping into the news for the headlines could miss it, just like I did. Thanks for letting me know they didn't completely ignore it.
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Beth in VT Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 10:57 PM
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8. They have become the Stepford journalists. It's creepy.
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sketchy Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:21 PM
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9. Stepford Journalists -- I like it
And relentlessly upbeat and chirpy/perky at the most inappropriate times. I crave some dignity and appropriate solemnity for pete's sakes. They are hellbent to be pleasant regardless.
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darkworkz Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:23 PM
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10. Figure it out
Their silence says they're afraid. They hope this just goes away. No way it can now.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 12:02 AM
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15. perhaps. I certainly expected mention of Conyers report
when it had been on AP the day before --- Even if the example I gave below (Tovia Smith) was recorded before the report was released, they could have done a add on about it and the electoral vote...
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-07-05 12:36 AM
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17. so this is just some John Cage experiment... they are waiting for
our reactions before they do anything?
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:28 PM
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11. My Letter to Morning Edition this morning - right after I heard Tovia
Smith's report...

I cannot believe what I just heard on Morning Edition -- How the Tone in Tovia Smith's report painted those who are asking for investigation to also "just move on" -- How Tovia Smith never ONCE mentioned Ohio, which is where the Formal protest began almost immediately after the election -- or Florida or other States that had myriad of problems.

I cannot believe that Tovia Smith, OR NPR didn't know about the 100 page report about Ohio given to all the Senators yesterday by the State House Democratic Judicial Committee http://www.pdamerica.org/field/final%20status%20report.pdf

Or that Tovia Smith or NPR thinks that it is not likely that a Senator will Stand Up for Democracy in order to ensure that NO OTHER election ever has the problems this one does.

Send Tovia the document, and send her to Washington TODAY -- I have a feeling more than 100 people will show up out there to protest and demand fair elections. Over 800 alone were in Columbus this past Monday -- and not one of us thought that this was over yet.

I am shocked that Ohio wasn't even mentioned -- the AP news knew about much of this by middle of yesterday. http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2005/01/05/dem_lays_out_case_against_bushs_ohio_win/

The Report is a very important document. Today the House and the Senate will certify the electors of the presidential election. If you saw Fahrenheit 9-11 you know that when the Congressional Black Caucus stood to contest Florida's irregularities, and asked for an investigation, not one Senator stood. What wasn't said in the movie (and probably should have been) is that 1. Gore had asked them not to (in order to smooth things over) (something he says he regrets now), and 2. No one asked them to...

People from all over the country have been e-mailing, calling, faxing, visiting their senators, asking for someone to "Stand Up" for democracy. There is good indication that at least 3-6 will, along with at least 14 or more House members - though that could change. Hundreds of people plan to go to Washington today, wearing orange, meeting in the AM to ask for our Senators to Stand up for Democracy. But Tovia didn't bother checking in to the switch boards to find that out.

This is not about Kerry. He will not be president. He will not even be there to contest (he will be in Iraq) -- because this isn't about him. This Is About OUR Democracy! When will any of the Media actually begin to get this?

Even if they just throw out the electors of Ohio, Bush would win -- both of them needed Ohio to win. But if you read this report -- you will see -- it's about making sure that this NEVER happens again. And Shame on you all for not realizing that and reporting in a less condescending way.

http://www.pdamerica.org/field/final%20status%20report.pdf

Kind Regards:
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sketchy Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-06-05 11:34 PM
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12. Excellent letter
n/t
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