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BreakForNews Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-28-04 11:57 PM
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TEFLON KERRY: MORE SLICK MOVES ON PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION FRAUD
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 12:39 AM by BreakForNews

TEFLON KERRY:


MORE SLICK MOVES ON
PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION FRAUD




BreakForNews.com, 28th Dec, 2004 23:00ET
by Fintan Dunne, Editor EXCLUSIVE
http://www.breakfornews.com/articles/TeflonKerry.htm

In the Ukraine, a challenger to election fraud needs a physical
constitution able to withstand hours of freezing temperatures at
interminable rallies, and capable of surviving the ravages of dioxin
poisoning. For John Kerry, Victor Yuschenko's American counterpart,
the challenges are more media-related and stylistic, less
physical.


Under cover of John Edward's late night promise to "count every vote,"
Kerry's lawyers have been adeptly pursuing evidence that could reverse
the election outcome, while keeping their candidate so Teflon-coated
that he remains completely untouchable by "sore loser" or "conspiracy
theory" jibes.

Indeed, Kerry's slick moves have been so effective that many of his
own supporters still half-believe that all this is not about
questioning the election result.

In the last few days, Kerry has launched a further escalation of his
legal involvement, while also leaving casual observers even more
convinced that Bush is safely ensconced in office.

It was yet another political dance routine with Kerry's now familiar
two steps forward, one step back footwork.


FANCY FOOTWORK

Just before the Christmas holiday, on 23 December, 2004 Kerry lawyer,
Daniel Hoffheimer called for a demonstrably legitimate recount in
Ohio, explaining that:


"...Only then can the integrity of the entire electoral process and
the election of Bush/Cheney warrant the public trust."


The occasion for this first questioning of the legitimacy of the Bush
reelection was the news that the Kerry/Edwards campaign has just
joined in aspects of an ongoing recount suit by the Green and
Libertarian parties targeting Triad Systems, a Republican-linked
supplier of voting machines to around half of Ohio counties.

The legal move comes against a backdrop of allegations that Triad GSI
orchestrated a system of "cheat sheets" to enable a fraudulent recount
in Ohio, and may have tampered with vote tabulation equipment. With
Triad equipment in half of Ohio's counties, any systematic fraud could
well have scuppered a Kerry win.

A legal assault and a verbal slight -both directed at the Bush "victory."

Two steps forward.

Based on the news, BreakForNews.com ran a Christmas 'eve analysis
maintaining that Kerry was effectively laying grounds for unconceeding
by now pursuing potential direct evidence of election fraud, while
impugning Bush's victory. And we pointed out that legal actions that
might end in overturning the Ohio election result were a default way
to unconcede without ever saying the "U" word.


Two days later, before Santa could awaken from a well deserved sleep,
election fraud pointman for the mainstream media, Keith Olbermann
weighed in.

"Thems fightin words, " wrote Olbermann.

"Fightin words that came just eight working days before the
Electoral College votes are opened before Congress."


But before the day was out, Hoffheimer was already scolding
"conspiracy theories" while "clarifying" his comments, and then some.

This was part of Hoffheimers "clarification":

"I would caution the media not to read more into what the
Kerry-Edwards campaign has said, than what you hear in the plain
meaning of our comments. There are many conspiracy theorists opining
these days...

"When all of the problems in Ohio are added together, however bad they
are, they do not add up to a victory for Kerry-Edwards."


Later that same Monday, guessing that Kerry was just playing for kudos
from the election fraud movement, a befuddled Olbermann reported:

"This evening, after several Web columnists and bloggers joined me
in questioning the bluntness of the phrase (one even wildly claiming
this was a precursor to a Kerry "un-concession"), Hoffheimer changed
his tone."


Well, we didn't join Mr. Olbermann, we preceded him by 60 hours with
our analysis on BreakForNews.com.

Olbermann later admits that:

"...it was not some great, conspiracy-based, tin-foil-hat, piece of
linguistic gymnastics, to infer..., that the Kerry-Edwards campaign
did not believe that "the integrity of the entire electoral process
and the election of Bush-Cheney" warranted the public trust."


Of course it wasn't. We knew that. And Olbermann knew because:

"...I can understand the English language."

Hoffheimer had just totally reversed the spin, within days. Think of
it as... two small but significant steps for Kerry-kind. One giant
leap back for GOP and media befuddlement.

Here we have the Kerry campaign's Ohio lawyer scorning conspiracy
theories. Perfect positioning for the Kerry/Edwards camp. It's
beautiful!

Somehow, Kerry & Co. are working hand in legal hand with hundreds of
thousands who know that the 2004 election was stolen. All the while
displaying an adeptly senatorial stance which scoffs at conspiracy
theories!

Teflon Kerry's post-election edifice of investigation is like a Mayan
pyramid. There isn't a single crack anywhere into which the right-wing
media could insert a mere penknife.

That's no accident. It's careful planning.


BAIT REFUSED

In the wake of the sorry events of 2000, only a fool would not have
expected an election-stealing repeat attempt in 2004. When the Bush
administration began preparing an assault on Fallujah timed to begin
within days of the November '04 vote, the motive was transparent.


If Kerry took the bait, he would be pilloried for undermining the
commander-in-chief with the nation at war, by daring to question the
election outcome. Not to mention leaving the United States vulnerable
to an opportunistic attack by an Al-Queda leadership keen to exploit
division in its imperial enemy.

Not taking the bait was a no-brainer. But first, no matter what the
cost, Kerry supporters would have to be dissuaded from swallowing bait
that the leadership knew bore only the taste of defeat.

And so, John Edwards strolled out to reassure supporters and launch
the cover story about counting every vote. But Kerry would have to
halt his supporters by quickly killing off the questions about the
result -before they could begin. Kerry would choose his own timing.
That's why the quick preemptive concession.

At the same time, John Kerry nailed the "sore loser" angle, and nailed
it good. He was a paragon of graciousness. It was a faultless, if
slightly incredible performance. Something jarred about it. Even
grassroots Republicans sensed that, but never pondered the motive.

Before long, with the Internet in full stolen election mode, Kerry was
mending fences with his activist supporters by means of his
calculatedly ambiguous "whatever the outcome of this election"
statement. Less noticed was Edwards similar gambit. A resounding "This
fight's not over... because I'm not finished with this fight" rallying
cry to his home state supporters.


MULTIPLE FRONT ACTIONS

In short order, the election fraud issues were soon under attack from
multiple directions. The Cobb/LaMarche legal team led the charge on
the recount front. Focussed on uncovering malfeasance precinct by
precinct, they now say recount laws were broken in 86 of Ohio's 88
counties.



Furthermore, against a background of concerns that central voting
tabulators were remotely hacked, attorneys are also examining links
between Triad GSI and Tallahassee-based Datamaxx --which makes remote
access products for computers.

Cliff Arnebeck with John Bonifaz headed an Ohio Supreme Court
challenge directed towards revealing larger scale vote manipulations.
Another Arnebeck suit embarrassingly tainted Chief Justice Moyers of
the Ohio Supreme Courts bench by charging that the judge's own
election was suspect.


By the way, today yet another Arnebeck suit scored a victory. Over
half the members of the Ohio Supreme Court had to recuse themselves
from his long-running case seeking to reveal who put up the money for
a $4 million advertising campaign which influenced Supreme Court
judicial elections in the state. Chief Justice Thomas Moyer, Terrence
O'Donnell, and Evelyn Lundberg Stratton were all beneficiaries of the
TV adverts. The Ohio Chamber of Commerce now faces potential fines of
$25,000 for each day it refuses to reveal who bankrolled the campaign.

Arnebeck has hit a number of delays and legal roadblocks in his legal
cases, whether by accident or deliberate design related to timing
reasons. In any event he had already put the Ohio Supreme Court
demonstrably under a spotlight as to it's impartiality.


Meanwhile, Jesse Jackson has been mobilizing disenfranchised minority
voters and John Conyers has held two pivotal hearings at which vital
evidence came into the public domain.

And, both by Internet, and on the ground in Ohio thousands of
activists have launched their own investigations, become their own
media and grown into their own movement.

Least anyone might get the idea that all this was coherent rather than
haphazard activity, the route has been sprinkled with false cues to
distance Kerry from the frenzy of action.

In mid-December, Cliff Arnebeck told the L.A.Times that Kerry did not
really want to challenge Bush. Why? It must be some kind of "Skull &
Bones thing," said Arnebeck.

Just eleven days ago, David Cobb, said that Kerry was trying to
"undermine" Green party efforts to get an effective recount. He called
Kerry a member of the "ruling elite."

Within days Kerry had signed on to the G/Lib lawsuit -as just
announced by Daniel Hoffheimer with such great gusto. And then as
quickly downplayed by him with such great chutzpah.

Confused? Good. It must be working.


GRAVITAS AND GOOD COPS

In the art of politics, status, tone and gravitas are preeminent
attributes. Especially in Anglo-American politics -with its British
heritage so captive to "form."


It's not "form" to be overly ambitious or to be a sore loser.


The attitude of the candidate must be one of gracious and humble
reluctance to dare seek high office. The higher the office the greater
the need to not appear self-serving. Yes, it's hypocrisy run rampant,
but that's how it's done.

When the candidate is asked whether he is running for office, the
reply is not:

"You bet!. I've been eyeing this job for years."

Rather the approach is:

"Well, I could never aspire to such a position, but so many friends
and members of the public have urged me to run that I am now actively
considering the position."


See. Within "form" constraints, Kerry can never lead the election
fraud charge. Rather it must be his friends and the public who lead.
Kerry must await definitive and publicly demonstrated proof before
again donning his political gravitas. Any premature move would
instantly diminish his standing.

Kerry is the good cop. He investigates for the benefit of the
community and the long term good. We, the members of the election
fraud activist community must be the bad cops - unafraid to badger
suspects and determined to nail the culprits.

The more Kerry's team distance themselves from those hard-nosed
realists so inappropriately deemed "conspiracy theorists," the more
politically credible and secure his escalating involvement and the
more likely his chances of seeing the will of the people fulfilled.

But I never wrote this. You never read this. File and forget.

And if you are speaking to people outside the election fraud movement
don't hesitate to reassure them that Kerry is unconcerned with being
robbed of the presidency.

Come again Keith. My analysis was that Kerry's legal moves mark the
start of a de-facto unconcession process. Say again that I'm "wildly
claiming." I can take the flack. We want to take the flack.

And Daniel Hoffheimer. Call me a "conspiracy theorist." Anytime.

I'm bad. We're all soooo bad.

Full article with source hyperlinks:
http://www.breakfornews.com/articles/TeflonKerry.htm

See Also Original Article:
Kerry Preparing Grounds to Unconcede
http://www.breakfornews.com/articles/KerryPreparingGrou...
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:01 AM
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1. Seems you forget it was GOP responsible for the suppression & fraud
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:01 AM
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2. works for me
give the sign and i'll be in the streets of AZ :D

but i didn't hear or say a thing
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Sperk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:02 AM
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3. Maybe Kerry will "flip-flop" their ass right out of Washington
nice thought.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:59 AM
Response to Reply #3
41. ROTFL! You should use that as a Signature - Very Funny...
:toast:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:59 AM
Response to Reply #3
61. I'd love to hear that coming out of Sharpton's mouth.
You wouldn't mind if he borrowed it, would you?

He would make flip flopping a state of being comparable to enlightenment.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:03 AM
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4. What a beautiful counterweight to the "pile on Arnebeck" threads tonight
Thanks, BFN. Well done. The Nashua Advocate has a similar position.

Mayan pyramid, indeed. Whom shall we sacrifice to appease the election gods?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:09 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. I have some modest suggestions
Lets start with Katherine and work our way up from there.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #7
29. You gather the sticks; I'll light the fire.
:evilgrin:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #29
34. Race ya! :) n/t
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #34
45. push, shove, push, shove, elbows, elbows, push, shove
Aaaaack!! You win. Damn, you are one determined woman :D
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:03 AM
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5. Hmmmm, Very Interesting
Gotta say, the title and pic threw me for a sec though.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #5
10. Makes one go hmmmm, very loudly.
Someday this will be a mighty fine political thriller!
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:25 AM
Response to Reply #5
19. Me too. Sometimes, you just gotta read all the words.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #5
95. The title threw me, too
And the first picture made me curious enough to keep on reading. ;)

Well done, BFN.
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kc.ink Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:08 AM
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6. great NEWS . . . . . . . flip-flop, arm wrestle, don't matter . . . . . n/t
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:09 AM
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8. Makes sense to me. n/t
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:10 AM
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9. lolll i think is your best post on here so far
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 12:10 AM by Faye
it does give good insight as to what might be going on, and it's pretty much what i believe as well.

this was my favorite line: Confused? Good. It must be working.

and hey, you starting using 'election fraud' instead of 'vote fraud'. :thumbsup:
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BreakForNews Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #9
12. You noticed... : )
....i try to pay attention :)

"Election Fraud" it is from now on.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. Excellent post! Thank you!
You have put everything in its place.I pray you are right!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #9
53. Proof that persistence pays off!
:)
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:14 AM
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11. And that's all I'm sayin'
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 12:41 AM by Patsy Stone
'But I never wrote this. You never read this. File and forget.'

--

"You'll have your eyes opened for you. my friend."
"I have my eyes open."
"Oh yeah? Well stick around. Don't go on any long trips."
"I don't know what you mean."
"I know you don't. That's the point. I'll say no more."
"You haven't said anything!"
"And that's all I'm saying."

-- Moonstruck


:) I love a good chess game. Cheers and Thanks BFN! You always make me feel like I'm sane, when I'm feelin' crazy.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:32 AM
Response to Reply #11
24. What an intriguing post, that I promise I never read and I have
forgotten it already! (But I sure like it!) :silly:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #24
32. You'll have to swallow it
or burn it... :)

Let us hope that what we have believed all along is coming true. Amen.
I'm off to go post to that I Believe thread, and also, to take a look at that photo again.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #32
37. I shall burn it, then crush the ashes and roll them into a little
cig and smoke them again. It might taste bad, but I want to be very certain that they are gone! Anything for the cause.

I do love that photo! I DO BELIEVE.

NGU
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:16 AM
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13. Thanks for weaving our rationalizations into a plan. I'm serious.
I have to believe this until I can't. Not putting up a fight would weaken the party. Who would rally around candidates in a party that bends over ever time an election is stolen.

I think this part is big:

By the way, today yet another Arnebeck suit scored a victory. Over
half the members of the Ohio Supreme Court had to recuse themselves
from his long-running case seeking to reveal who put up the money for
a $4 million advertising campaign which influenced Supreme Court
judicial elections in the state. Chief Justice Thomas Moyer, Terrence
O'Donnell, and Evelyn Lundberg Stratton were all beneficiaries of the
TV adverts. The Ohio Chamber of Commerce now faces potential fines of
$25,000 for each day it refuses to reveal who bankrolled the campaign.
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. I believe....I believe....
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 12:23 AM by berner59
Maybe if I keep saying this...oh how wild and wonderful would this be to have Kerry make an unconcession speech on Jan 6th???

Also... I LOVE that photo.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #13
30. LOL, 'thanks for weaving our rationalizations into a plan'
Sounds like a pretty good plan!

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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:22 AM
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16. Hey, I'll be glad to take back my Kerry rants if this is the way
it is. I'll believe it when I see it. Do we turn out the light if we see Bush's hand on the Bible in January or is that part of the plan too?
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:31 AM
Response to Reply #16
22. i think we should wait and see
and not speculate too much on that :) it all comes down what happens Jan. 6th
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Blue in the face Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:23 AM
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17. At first I thought this was yet another Kerry hit-piece
But that was actually a great article. Now you need to make it self-destruct like a touchscreen software program designed to steal votes for Bush so the Freepers don't catch wind...
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:28 AM
Response to Reply #17
54. LOL
n/t
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:25 AM
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18. a treat for the believers
I was waiting on your response to the latest development.
I love it. I agree if there's a master plan its working.
It's confused the crap out of us tin hatters.....

Is this wisdom or wishful thinking?
I'm keeping an open mind. :-)

if this is wisdom i will eat my hat :tinfoilhat:
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:29 AM
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20. You just HAD to post that @#$% photo dintya?
:wow:

This is psyops on us women. How can we say anything negative after seeing that.

:9 :9 :9

I want mine with chocolate, please....


Uh, where was I... Oh yeah. I like this analysis a lot better than what I've been seeing today, and since no one here is a midi-chlorian in Kerry's mind, nor is strong enough with the Force to read it, it seems at least as credible as the pessimistic rants.

('Scuse the goofiness; I'm in a curiously upbeat mood right now.)
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davidwparker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #20
27. Not just women. I'm a dude and I was moved. :-)) I was thinking
about what could have been and maybe he has been doing something. Even if the outcome doesn't change, at least he was doing something. That would be a political coup and a stroke of genius.

Please, Lord, get Bush out of office.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #27
40. Oh, join the club!
I cry at any photo of the possibilities. Yeah, I'm a woman, but it's not so much that I'm thinking dirty thoughts. He just looks so kind and understanding. Someone posted photos a while back of him placing flowers on a casket at Arlington and I lost it. It was just so damned RIGHT!

Keep the faith. Never Give Up. :)
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #40
68. I have that photo as my wallpaper on my computer!
He is my hero, he is the true President Elect. Our nation needs a man of his heart, soul, intelligence & courage! :loveya: :cry:

I hate the BFEE! :mad: :argh: :nuke:
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #68
103. a man of his heart, soul, intelligence & courage!
I hope he will be more than my fantasy president.

:loveya: :cry: :loveya: :cry: :loveya:
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #103
110. president or senator--
He's my role model, leader and hero! :)
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #20
28. this calls for some floaty hearts
:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #28
35. This calls for some tinfoil hats...
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

Psyops.

Posting a photo like that and making constant references to "slick" and "Teflon."

And... I think I'll drop that before it goes much farther.
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:50 AM
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36. That picture is part of the plan
...more distraction and misdirection. The Force can have powerful effects on the weak-minded.

These are not the shoulders...er, soldiers...you're looking for. Move along now.


:D
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:27 AM
Response to Reply #36
48. Gotcha.
And straight into the memory hole it goes. Never saw it.

Or maybe that should be "reactor" if we're maintaining the Star Wars analogy.

No, I forgot that confusion is the plan. Thus....

"I will cast the One Photo into Mount Doom."
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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:01 AM
Response to Reply #48
52. Ah, but when you get to Mt Doom...
You won't be able to destroy it. It'll have been working on your mind the whole time. You'll try to claim it for yourself.


Fortunately, you'll be tackled by a grubby, emaciated, muttering-to-himself John O'Neill, who's been obsessed with Kerry in a very unhealthy way since Vietnam, and he'll do the deed by accident.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:20 AM
Response to Reply #20
46. I agree about that photo of Kerry
He looks sooooooo good. He is the superior to * in more ways than one.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:46 PM
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115. Is it a picture of my future husband, Kerry? I have to give you the bad
news, Firespirit. Kerry's leaving Theresa for me. ;) Just kidding!

I can never see the main picture from Break for News posts, like I couldn't see the picture of Kerry in the swimming pool either. The pics just doesn't load in my browser. All I get is "broken gif" images. Does anybody have this picture uploaded to share with me? I would love to see it. Thanks!
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:47 PM
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116. here
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:26 AM
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117. this must be the second time you have asked someone to post this pic
i think you are the one that asked the other night, and i posted it seconds after you asked, i guess you didn't see it b/c you asked again. and now i posted it again and you still didn't see it? :cry:
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Niche Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:31 AM
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21. So glad I took a break for the news! Under the radar baby!
Slamin' busy on my research. See you on the 6th with A DRUM IN HAND! Timing... timing...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:32 AM
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:33 AM
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25. I think I love you, I know I love your mind!
And that photograph, what can I say -- he's the man!
:loveya:
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:35 AM
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26. I think I love this post. Thank you.
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:39 AM
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31. Post? What post?
It is excellent. Thank you!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:46 AM
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70. great post-hope you're right!
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:44 AM
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33. WE can say fraud w/o proof... He can't.
Totally different standard.

Several DUers, myself included, have been saying that Yost v. Cobb (the suit he filed in) is the key to the smoking gun and will open the door for Moss v. Bush, a major Congressional challenge, AND several officials coming to well-deserved ends. I agree.

Kerry must be looking for something or he wouldn't have had McTigue file, especially on the day before the recount concluded.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:54 AM
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38. We have another winner, ladies and gents!
All you have said, wise sage, is correct.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:56 AM
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39. Love a good chess game.
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:04 AM
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42. I'd play chess with JK ONLY if I got paid for it.
My style is aggressive. I prefer to have my opponent alarmed from the beginning rather than complacent or smug, and it has heretofore worked. I guess I play like a Republican. :(

But I have a strong suspicion I'd take his bait... and get mopped up soon thereafter.

The difference is that Kerry's bound to be smarter than the people (primarily teenage and college-age boys) whom I play against, and not susceptible to making mistakes as a result of freaking out early in the game. :evilgrin:
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:05 AM
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43. I'm Still Not Sold - BUT
I'm taking this one for a test drive.

BTW - I'll be the happiest asshole on the planet if I have to take back everything I've ever said about Kerry letting us down.

That would be one side dish of Crow that I would gladly consume.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:11 AM
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44. Finally!
Someone sums up almost exactly what I've believed as this whole thing has unfolded. I just don't see how he could have done it any other way. I'm just so glad someone put it into words, so some of the doubters could maybe, just maybe, understand.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:22 AM
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47. I've had a lot of those ideas too
But no way could I articulate them so well in such a convincing way.
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thjay Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:28 AM
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49. I agree, 100%
I still think the odds of a Kerry inauguration are low but he has clearly handled this mess brilliantly. My respect for Kerry grows everyday. I have never lost faith that he is actively involved in finding out the truth.
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bardgal Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:33 AM
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50. I think - Kerry BELIEVES in the fraud, or else he wouldn't bother....
and he knows it's WIDE SPREAD, and makes Watergate look like a walk in the park.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:33 AM
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51. If people keep posting that picture, my pelvis will implode.
*dies of hot*
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:59 AM
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55. I get to play the bad cop?...Cool.
"We, the members of the election
fraud activist community must be the bad cops - unafraid to badger
suspects and determined to nail the culprits."

I never get to play the bad cop! Who we gonna rough up next? Rove? Blackwell? Where can I get some brass knuckles? I'd love to see Rove under a swinging bare bulb behind a 2 way mirror, begging for a cigarette and a glass of water.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:06 AM
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56. Thank you...I needed that! You drew it all together, made me laugh, yet
explained it all rationally...in Kerry-esque style. Something for everyone!

My major fears have been calmed...for a day at least.

Thank you so much!
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:09 AM
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57. move by move
Move by move and piece by piece until the picture is complete and the evidence irrefutable. Courage, conviction, patience and intelligence - exactly the attributes I want to see in the leader of our country. Keep up the slick moves!
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:11 AM
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58. Indeed
John Kerry has avoided the "sore loser" charge very successfully so far. Let's see if he can avoid the "just plain loser" charge after Jan. 6
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:22 AM
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59. Excellent observations and ones that make sense when one is in a
perception war with the likes of KKKarl Rove!

The man is a real soldier, contrary to the beliefs of those Swift Bored Vets.


The only people who can walk around and claim "the wounds that never heal" right now are the families of the 9-11 victims and our soldiers and their families who have also been horrendously lied to .....
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:56 AM
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60. here's another "hope so" and about that photo
First, I do hope your take is correct--it is certainly my "wishful thinking" as SueZhope called it. Count me among the most confused. I guess I'd never make it as a chess player.

Second, may I point out that the photo was taken by a woman. There is a woman's point of view in art. That's all. Hee!
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Not a Sheep Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 04:48 AM
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62. SLICK MOVES? Sounds like you're trying to rationalize...
I voted for Kerry. I'd love to see something happen that indisputably proves fraud and gives the presidency to Kerry. However, I've been reading the forums for awhile and see people attempting to rationalize what has happened. For example:



BreakforNews:
When the Bush administration began preparing an assault on Fallujah timed to begin within days of the November '04 vote, the motive was transparent.

........................................................

While I believe one benefit of the Fallujah assault after Nov 2nd COULD BE to distract from election fraud, how about a more likely reason: Why start a bloody and potenitally disastorous battle in Fallujah before the election when polls showed Iraq was one of Bush's weaknesses? Why would they want the MSM reporting on a fight that would most likely not go well and remind voters of how bad things were going in Iraq?



BreakforNews:
The Cobb/LaMarche legal team led the charge on the recount front.

........................................................

All of the Kerry team's smooth under the radar moves depended on Cobb/LaMarche leading the recount? So, either Kerry was banking on Cobb/LaMarche getting involved or Kerry knew they were going to get involved because they were collaborating from the start?



BreakforNews:
In mid-December, Cliff Arnebeck told the L.A.Times that Kerry did not really want to challenge Bush. Why? It must be some kind of "Skull & Bones thing," said Arnebeck.

Just eleven days ago, David Cobb, said that Kerry was trying to "undermine" Green party efforts to get an effective recount. He called Kerry a member of the "ruling elite."

Within days Kerry had signed on to the G/Lib lawsuit -as just announced by Daniel Hoffheimer with such great gusto. And then as quickly downplayed by him with such great chutzpah.

Confused? Good. It must be working.

........................................................

So, let me get this straight. Kerry wants to appear reluctant and uninvolved to some extent so as not to look like a sore loser, so others are intentionally making these statements to play the game with him and help him? Or is the rationale supposed to be that Kerry is trying to not appear like a sore loser to them also and so when they make these statements they are speaking honestly and unintentionally playing into Kerry's intricate PR game?



BreakforNews:
When the candidate is asked whether he is running for office, the reply is not:

"You bet!. I've been eyeing this job for years."

Rather the approach is:

"Well, I could never aspire to such a position, but so many friends and members of the public have urged me to run that I am now actively considering the position."

........................................................

I don't think a candidate would reply either way. Obviously, no one says, "You bet!. I've been eyeing this job for years." That's just ridiculous. The second (supposedly "correct") reply is almost equally ridiculous. The candidate is saying he could "never aspire to such a position" but was persauded by others urging him to run? Come on. At some point you have to aspire/want the job. Who comes across as though they never thought of being president until so many others urged them to run?

Why doesn't the candidate say, "Yes, I've aspired to a life of public service and I believe I have the integrity, ideas and leadership to be President. Even when I was young I dreamed of being President and I've worked hard to earn the trust of my constituency to get where I am today."

So, who would dare aspire to be president in his youth and have it be public knowledge? Bill Clinton.


Washington Post: Sunday, August 25, 1996; Page A01
"Clinton is a politician who has wanted since he was a young man not merely to win the presidency but to join the small company of large presidents, to be one of those rare leaders who stamp an imprint deep on an era."
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:23 AM
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63. It may work something like this...
Here's my take based on your observations. (I think you've got it!)

1. Fallujah did tie Kerry's hand, plus they knew they had pretty much secured the election fraud.

2. As for Grn/Lib (gotta love 'em) maybe not banking, but saw it happening and figured let it flow, or, (what the heck), they came to an understanding.

3. You got it straight. It's both!...depending upon the individual. Anyone in on this might "behave" in the same reluctant manner. Any one not in on it can 'reluctantly' join the flow that develops.

And yes, this is very confusing, until it isn't, at which point it's not. ;-)

4. Candidate etiquette, take more generally, is just about humility, grace, etc...or style, current opportunity, etc.

Enjoyed the subtlety of the questions.
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:33 AM
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64. I would say "excellent post," except
that you never wrote it, and I never read it.

Thanks for that, you bad conspiracy theorist, you!

:toast:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:21 AM
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65. You know, one thing that's been driving me crazy in all this...
...is the Democratic leadership's failure to scream bloody murder about Bush "Pioneers" owning the SECRET source code used to count all our votes, and no paper trail in a third of the country. It just seems so nuts and suicidal. Did the Democrats really never want to get elected ever again? I know Tom DeLay strong armed the paper trail provision, kept it from coming to a vote. Still, the Dems should have screamed, LOUD, done sit-ins in the chambers, whatever. Republican ownership of the voting system? Jeez.

This thread has got me to thinking about this. You don't suppose... naw!... but could it have been... deliberate, that is, the Dems giving them the rope to hang themselves with?

Naw, naw.

The plot is getting too thick. (The puzzle remains, though, of how the Dems could have allowed the election system to be so compromised, without strong, relentless protest.)

Another thought stimulated by this thread: I'd always thought Kerry's concession was very odd. The story is that he believed some staff assessment that, with a 3.5 million vote popular vote margin and not enough provisional ballots to change Ohio, there was no way he could win. Upthread, Wilms suggested that Kerry already had election fraud evidence in hand, when he conceded, and he conceded to avoid the Fallujah trap. This certainly would fit with reports that he had 17,000 lawyers (or whatever it was) on the case on Election Day. (WHAT were they doing? --some of us have wondered. And what were our legal fund contributions used for?)

I had figured--more or less believing the official story--that neither Kerry nor anyone else was aware that the TV networks had polluted the Exit Poll figures on everybody's screens with "official returns" from the Republican controlled electronic vote tabulators, making it look like Bush had won both. Freeman's report didn't come out til the 10th. But I forgot about K/E campaign internal polls. Now I think, surely they must have known something was up--even if they didn't know about the Exit Polls, and if they DID know, then they had at least TWO sets of data supporting a Kerry win. In any case, they would have learned about the Exit Polls within a week or so.

Perhaps K/E had the thing dead to rights within days, or even on Election night, and that's why they could afford to be so lackadaisical about the Green/Lib recount and lawsuits (until it kicked over the Triad fraud--then they perked up). And maybe that's also why they're not all over the Arnebeck suit. They have been building a case all along, not aimed at the courts, but aimed at Congress! (--which has ultimate jurisdiction)

I'm trying to convince myself that Fintan Dunne has K/E's behavior figured out. I certainly agree that they are navigating treacherous waters with the BushCons, and that a lie low strategy and misdirection would be masterful, if they are true. But are they true? Is David Cobb's anger (and that of recount volunteers as well), and Arnebeck's frustration, and the K/E Ohio Filing-Hoffheimer dance NOT what they appear? (Lukewarm support? Confusion? Ambivalence?)

Can the agonies over whether House members would challenge, and whether one or more Senators would sign in support, have been unnecessary?

Can it be that Kerry is not just walking away from this, with token efforts as a sop to the Left? That he really is The Rattlesnake?

I keep going back to the inexplicable concession. It appeared to be a total cave-in--absolutely contradicting everything he had promised in the campaign about "counting every vote." It seemed so premature, with the votes not even counted yet, and all sorts of missing information. Then it seemed wise for a while (esp. in view of Fallujah). But it had never occurred to me before that it might have been PLANNED--that Kerry may have fully realized the potential for fraud, and actually PLANNED TO concede immediately, to calm everything down, and quietly put the challenge together.

But right now, I'm thinking: WHAT a way to start off the Congressional battles to come--by turning your boat INTO the attack, and hitting them head on with huge election fraud scandal and a knockdown dragout over who won--with all the Kerry voters in the nation (the disenfranchised majority) breathlessly following developments and cheering the Democrats on? (--and you know all the Kerry voters WILL! They'll be so happy that somebody's fighting for them!)

Now THAT's smart!

And you didn't hear it here. This is all just wishful thinking. I know that. But a person can dream...

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:31 AM
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66. Many realities begin with dreams
;-)
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:15 AM
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72. Another reason for a premature concession:
By conceding quickly, the repugs could breathe easy about all the fraud. They wouldn't have to worry about covering their tracks. So, the tracks were there for us "bad cops" to find. If your enemy suffers from pride, smugness, and hubris, use those traits against them.

Great analysis, BFN!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:35 PM
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81. Right on, Peace Patriot.
:thumbsup:
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:40 PM
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104. You can call that "a dream."
I'll call it a prediction. :toast:
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frictionlessO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:34 AM
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67. far and away the most unifying post Ive seen since Nov.2
BFN just got bookmarked. And no I dont think you actually wrote anything I didnt read and forgot not to remember.... yeah Im confused!

Bad cop no donut!
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:39 AM
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69. Great Article! Thanks! n/t
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:12 AM
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71. kick
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keepthemhonest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:26 AM
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73. definately great article
and I can't wait for Jan 6 either to see If Kerry is living up to fight the smarter fight theory.i have been hoping along with a bunch of others that is what he is doing, i guess we'll know soon enough a week from tomorrow.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:50 AM
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74. This is the best unwritten article that I have never read.
Thank you for the hope. :-)
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:01 PM
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75. Goddamnit!!... Now I don't know WHAT to think....This makes sense,
but am I just in denial?? Is Kerry THAT stealth and clever?
One constant in this lunacy... that picture STILL makes me want to
deeply french kiss him! LOL!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:28 PM
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77. That has been a repeated theme for a month or so--ANd When you look
at Kerrys actions it fits--SO I;m getting ready to stand up--
From now untill jan. 6th.My Mission: TARGET CBS

Join the protest @ CBS in NYC or protest in DC--or protest a TV station in your area. If enough Peeps show @ CBS I will extend the efforts to other outlets.

http://www.51capitalmarch.com /
roger@51capitalmarch.com /
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:14 PM
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79. Yes, you are in denial
Kerry is much more clever than you think.

This may work in our favor on the BBV front, too. Already we've seen one BBV'd election flipped--Gregoire/Rossi in Washington State. If the Ohio presidential election flips, and it probably will, we now have ammunition. Right now, we're shooting blanks; we know the machines are fucked up but without a couple of reversed elections, we can't prove it.

Expect the following:

1. It takes one senator and one representative to throw the whole election back to Ohio. There's probably a reason why Senator John Kerry couldn't do it--the old conflict-of-interest thing rearing its ugly head, among other contenders for the top spot--but we have Robert Byrd, Ted Kennedy, Hillary Clinton, Jon Corzine and Debbie Stabenow, any of whom could easily stand up. On the House side, basically pick one name out of the House African-American Caucus and you're golden.

2. Once the election goes back to Ohio, Kerry stands at least a 75-percent chance of winning the election.

3. After Kerry is sworn in, we start looking at other states, maybe RICO the BBV builders.
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Darknyte7 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:08 PM
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76. Very nice...
Keep up the great work! ;-)
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 12:55 PM
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78. This was a good read but
until January 6th it's just more speculation of this on going mess. How I wish it were true though.
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 01:29 PM
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80. I haven't been here that long but for me, best post ever.
You have given me another shot of hope, which at this stage of the game, is priceless! Thanks again.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:13 PM
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82. BAD TO THE BONE...
Thanks for the awesome post...confirmed many of my suspicions!!! Those bandits are getting everything they deserve!!! I love the whole "cerebral" angle...you see, it DOES pay to have some cognitive abilities!!! Simply Delicious!!! B-)
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IHeart1993 Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:05 PM
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83. The Corporate Media wouldn't cover anything anyway
Their too busy with Falwell.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:12 PM
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84. You and OldLeftyLawyer are on the same page...
Both of you make a lot of sense & neither of you underestimate the gravity of what's going on with this issue.

OldLeftyLawyer said:

No.

He never stopped fighting.

Don't mistake silence for inactivity.

Kerry's a warrior, and the smartest warriors know how to wait.

I've maintained, since November 3, 2004, that all of this would unfold just as it's now unfolding. All this stuff takes time; the foundation needed to be laid, and for that, we have the Green and Libertarian people to thank.

As for how Kerry's comported himself since the concession speech (which, I remind everyone again, had absolutely NO legal implication), it's been brilliant. Just goddamned brilliant. Respectful of Fuckface's "win." Respectful of the office of the Presidency. Respectful of the voters.

All the while, people have been compiling evidence, and now, with the affidavit from the election worker, and other verifying documents and tapes, the time is ripe, as we lawyers like to say.

John Kerry is our next President. I have never not believed that. And, in the next few weeks, I honestly believe we're going to see history made.

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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:40 PM
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89. Thank you for a great post. I like your attitude ...
the election fraud wasn't planned in 90 days and it will not be fixed in 90 days.

I am getting tired of the Drama Queen image DU posters are developing by the whining going on. Get a plan, do it. Quit whining. Change does not happen overnight and not one of us a specialist on reading John Kerry's mind. Get off his back. Bush did enough damage to him with the Swiftass vets, quit beating on our own. Beat on them.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:55 PM
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92. Thanks, NVMojo. There are quite a few of us here
who don't allow self-pity to take control of our brains.

I'm giving you the link to the thread during which OldLeftyLawyer was on fire. Considering she is a seasoned lawyer (she was a law student at the time of Watergate), I was very uplifted in reading everything she had to say: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I think you'll appreciate reading her comments as much as I did, NVMojo.

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wakemewhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:17 PM
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85. We know Florida e-vote is a joke from UC Berkeley analysis...
But why isn't anyone doing an e-vote analysis of ALL the states?

Does anyone doubt the popular vote has been grossly manipulated?

Remember the Republican talking point that New Jersey was in play?

Was that not an attempt to prep us psychologically for manipulation of the popular vote in a blue state where no one would pay attention to tens or hundreds of thousands of votes thrown to *?

Multiply by 50 states, or even 10, or 5, and one comes up with 3.5 million so very quickly....
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:22 PM
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86. Last dose of heroin
Maybe. But the only real hope is not in this sort of rationalization of the misery we have known and seen. Effectively what is the smarts and the planning of all this theory worth with four more years of Bush pounding nails in the coffin of this theory?

There are some elements of worth and hope in the real presentation of real facts. Trying to piece it together and call it hope is as far out as anything I've read from the much abused tinfoilhatters.

Being shrewd a little more pre-emptively- at least as much as the unchanging GOP cheaters- would have been much more to the point. How much of an education do the democrats need? How much do they need to fly below the radar? We have DU for that. THEY have the public pulpit and resources. And of course the more Daschle than Daschle appeasing stealth vulnerable middle road Reid is a hopeful sign too. And what happened to the much maligned and wise Daschle and his plans and prudence etc.?

I am all for hope. I hope too that a hangover after finding Kerry has no such strategy does not cause a blowback of anger and despair to sidetrack from the issues that otherwise will disappear- until the GOP chooses to use them to their advantage.

If I were Kerry I would have confronted and entrapped and planned for just these occurrences, rolling back the polls and little guy fraud so much that they would have sweated bullets about ever going near the tabulators(which I would have surveiled one way or another too.) The postgame strategy is pretty near hopeless unless Bushco destroys itself in a drunken orgy of criminality beyond any that we have seen so far(scary, very scary). This is not hindsight as I would not like to have brought such necessary prudence into the spotlight. The inability to publicly fight off media unfairness, poll gaming and vote suppression was NOT a hopeful sign of things to come. And still isn't.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:30 PM
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87. I want some of what you're smoking
But hey, anything's possible.

The alternate theory-and let's put it this way-I don't want to break any hearts, but please no suicides on January 6th or January 20th okay?

The more plausible theory is that Kerry is throwing us a freaking bone. An appeasment bone.

Nawing away we go until the hard light of January stops us in our tracks.

Still, I love your fantasy. I really do. It beats reality.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 04:02 PM
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93. I kind of agree with you
I think that's the most likely scenario. He's just trying to do enough to not lose the Progressive base to a third party. Seems to me that if he were serious about winning he would have brought up the paper-trail issue months before the election and demanded a fair election.
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BreakForNews Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:38 PM
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88. Relevant Quote
From our article above:
"That's no accident. It's careful planning."


TwoSparkles: So Kerry won't even be in DC on Jan 6?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"I just read in a recent Boston Globe article, regarding the protests
in front of Kerry's Boston home, that Kerry will be in the Middle East
for the first two weeks of January.

I'm a bit shocked."



Darknyte7: He'll be in Iraq?!

"Fantastic!!!

Brilliant play... Just brilliant!!!"



John Kerry & Ted Kennedy Join Arlington Mourners for Iraq soldiers
December 3, 2004
http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showa.html?artic...
Sens. Edward Kennedy and John Kerry, were among mourners at Arlington
National Cemetery, as two soldiers killed in Iraq were laid to rest
Thursday, in nearby graves.

Jack "Jay" Bryant Jr., 23, died north of Baghdad, when an IED detonated.
Lance Cpl. Dimitrios Gavriel, 29, was killed a day earlier near Fallujah.



Fintan Dunne, Editor
http://www.BreakForNews.com
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:42 PM
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90. What have any of us done lately in the public eye for this country?
Did you have your reputation smeared nationally because you were fighting to turn this country around?

We need warriors here, not drama queens. This shit is not going to be fixed overnight. The Bushinistas spent years planning and orchestrating this while most of us were asleep ....
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 01:05 PM
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119. COme to my MSM protest @ CBS in NYC - roger@51capitalmarch.com /

My Mission: TARGET CBS

Join the protest @ CBS in NYC or protest in DC--or protest a TV station in your area. If enough Peeps show @ CBS I will extend the efforts to other outlets, Like ABC & NBC.

Power to the People ! !! ! ! RIght On Brother KIP ! !! !

http://www.51capitalmarch.com /
roger@51capitalmarch.com /
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:46 PM
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91. ITA. Careful, brilliant planning.
Another OldLeftyLawyer tidbit:

Kerry's not given away anything, simply by staying in the background, showing up just often enough, at the right intervals, leaving messages that, as I've mentioned, were loaded with clues.

His "concession" speech was the first big clue, and anyone who listened carefully to that knew that he was just beginning, that nothing was over. It was a great way to lull the Fuckface people into thinking he had conceded and was going away.

Let me put it this way, and maybe you'll see why your assumptions are so erroneous:

Say you've been charged with first-degree homicide. You're in a capital state, which means you're facing a death penalty.

You retain me as your attorney.

Now, would you think it would be the smartest strategy in the world if I were to go out onto the courthouse steps and systematically detail for the press precisely how I planned to conduct your defense?

I rest my case.

Kerry's done everything perfectly. I mean, I cannot tell you how fucking perfect this whole thing has been, from a legal angle. It's a work of art.

The fire hasn't even been lit yet, my friend.


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BreakForNews Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:27 PM
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100. Iraq
Kerry to Visit Assad
http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=74376
11:15 Dec 29, '04 / 17 Tevet 5765
(IsraelNN.com) Former US Presidential candidate Senator John Kerry will be visiting Syria for meetings with top officials in the first week of 2005, after a preceding visit to Iraq, according to Syrian news reports.

Kerry to visit Middle East, troops in Iraq
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/12/09/kerry.iraq.ap /
Thursday, December 9, 2004
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry will travel to Iraq next month as the war-torn country prepares for elections.
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 04:12 PM
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94. well, the "fancy footwork" did such a good job of winning the election...
oh, wait...
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 04:38 PM
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96. Boo-hoo. Poor, poor cheezus.
Wants instant results from Kerry or nothing is happening.

If Kerry had come out swinging on Nov. 3rd without any evidence to back him up, what would have happened? Whatshisface & his handy dandy election conspirators would be in litigation heaven, only it would have begun & already ended in Cheney's hunting buddy's Supreme Court.

Like it or not, patience and faith are needed from all of us right now, because the wheels of justice take time & lots of legal manuevering.
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:14 PM
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99. wow, how wonderfully PLEASANT of you
thanks for the lecture, dad
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:27 PM
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108. Make that "mom". ;)
Just trying to knock some sense into one of my DU cohorts.

If you're here at DU searching for information, that's a good start & shows that you've still got hope. You wouldn't be here at all if you had no hope left.

Focus on the positive posts, especially those written by investigative sources & those written by legal eagles; 95% of them see the possibilities to come.
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:41 PM
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101. You sound like you have
the patience that I have run out of. I am so frustrated with Kerry right now.
May I ask you a question? I need some kind of hope.
When do you think the shit will hit the fan and people will see what happened November 2nd?
One month, one year, 4 years? Just an educated guess. I won't hold you to it.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:37 PM
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109. BreakForNews has given us a lot of hope, Nightjock...
It makes a lot of sense, considering how measured & calculating a man Kerry is.

And read my post #92, also, which provides a link to another very hopeful thread. Pay attention to OldLeftyLawyer's posts. It ties in very well with this thread.

Regardless of whether WhatsHisName is coronated on the 6th or not, Kerry's going to nail him. This is bigger than Watergate. It would be a mistake, & a self-destructive one, to turn against Kerry because we aren't in on his legal tactics. Have faith & have patience.
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 12:26 PM
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118. Thank you very much
I needed that.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:10 PM
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97. Is going to be the ultimate "flip-flop"!
Stay tuned!
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:12 PM
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98. Waiting.
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:46 PM
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102. Geez, what am I replying to here.
I forgot already!!!!!!!!!!

Fantastic perspective, and thanks for including the picture. :)
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 06:51 PM
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105. We're In The Presence Of Brilliance, Folks!
Kick for Kerry!
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gdub Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:03 PM
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106. Do you want to have sex with John Kerry...
or do you actually have information that he is employing some kind of doubl-secret-secret strategy that no one can understand yet?
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:15 PM
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107. What's wrong with doing both? :-)
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 01:08 AM
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124. Kick - so Vector has to see the photo again!
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Firespirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:00 PM
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112. BFN's profile says it's a guy.
OTOH, I expect I could name several DUers who'd be willing to obtain such information in that way.

I won't. But I could.

Geeez, I hope this analysis, or something like it, is true.

C'mon judges -- let's grant that motion and open up this festering, stinking, SMOKING Black Box for the world to see!
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 07:56 PM
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111. kick
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:04 PM
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113. Your post was everything I've been thinking I wanted to hear for so long
that it feels surreal. So much hope and so much to hope for. If even an "nth" of what you've posted comes to pass, I'll be one thrilled patriot.

and the picture is absolutely stunning.

Thank you, BreakForNews!
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super simian Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:29 PM
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114. Awesome writing!
Even though I'm not 100% sure where it's going.

Nuanced Teflon.

It's a whole new concept and I pray with every atom of me that it WORKS to get this great nation back on the tracks.
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delphine Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 01:30 PM
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120. The issue I have with all of this, even if true,
is that dems are always so concerned with "bad form" and all that jazz while shrub just acts like an arrogant asshole who's entitled to the job, selects a cabinet while recounts are going on (in 2000) and generally has "bad form" - and he's the one in the WH.

The GOP has acted in a crude and arrogant manner, showing not one iota of graciousness or concern for ethical behavior (indeed replacing the House Ethics Officer with a Delay man!) and they run the House and Senate.

While all this stuff Kerry is doing may seem like a ballet to BFN, to me it's also another example of how dems' concern for the "rules" and for appearing "reasonable" and "well mannered" just gets them in the loser's lounge that much more quickly.

And how delaying any meaningful challenges until it's too late and shrub is inaugurated is "strategic" I'll never understand.
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Darkhawk32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 01:35 PM
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121. I just don't have any idea what to think... except....
I'm hoping for the best and preparing for the worst.
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Casablanca Donating Member (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 02:18 PM
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122. Fancy legal footwork vs. evidence
Edited on Thu Dec-30-04 02:19 PM by Casablanca
None of this changes the fact that if the evidence isn't there there isn't a case or a chance at the Oval Office. And if the evidence is there, fancy legal footwork is largely moot.

This is starting to remind me of stories of Germany before the fall of Berlin, when rumors abounded that Hitler had a secret weapon that he would unleash at the 11th hour to utterly vanquish the Allies. Because Bush is the Hitler in this case, it makes it all the more alarming.

Hope is vital, but this article has nothing more than the rationalizations we've been hearing for the last month. It's a bad idea to place your hope upon a politician's changing terminology, and the fact that Kerry is distancing himself from the election fraud effort is a tacit admission that he knows his fancy legal footwork may not be enough, so be prepared.

Remember that it was the Mary Beth Cahall-inspired tactic of playing Kerry's candidacy under the radar that was part and parcel of Bush getting within election-stealing distance. A real candidate wouldn't have given the Frat Boy that undeserved luxury. If Kerry had campaigned aggressively the entire time, and if the Democratic Party had seen the predictable election fraud in Ohio as something to be prevented before the fact, instread of responded to after the fact, he might have not needed to put himself and his credibility on the line in this way. It's always better and safer to win fair and square.

Or I could just be playing good cop. Choose your rationalization.
But you've got to mean what you say at some point in the war.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-04 12:52 AM
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123. kick. Because I'm trying to fight bleak mood tonight. nt
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