Michael Moore is messing with our heads

[garybeck]

Now how can he one day say in an interview in Rolling Stone that Bush won, and on his website he has this:

Ohio Supreme Court Case Names Bush, Cheney, Rove, and Others in Election Fraud Suit
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=654

Don't tell me he's not messing with us.

Of note, his website links to the official court case document. And for some strange reason he links to it on my (Solar Bus) website instead of getting it from Arnebeck or some other more direct source. Which means that he or someone on his staff is going out of their way to check obscure websites on Election Fraud.

I still say MM is a Sleeping Giant on the Election Fraud issue.

[NVMojo]

1. i think he was being sarcastic in that interveiw....

this is a man I respect. He traveled all over the US, got sicker than a dog, just to get the vote out and he was slamming Bush and his compadres and supporting Kerry. He took shit in many major cities from the Repukes who didn't want colleges paying his speaking fees. I don't know why people on this board get so damn judgemental when they don't get instant gratification. Life is not easy. And if Dems want to take the country back, we'd better quit imploding on ourselves.

[garybeck]

2. yeah, but he specifically said

that more people voted for Bush, and that not enough people for Kerry came out to vote and several blatant denials of voter fraud.

having that link up on his website doesn't jive with his interview at all.

[KaliTracy]

9. he saw the lines -- he knows that was BS

i think he's being extremely understated.... the suit? the line on leno and in the stone "bush got more votes" (or a variation on that)... he's quietly active... at least that's my take on it.

[merh]

19. Check the date of the article and know that his interview predated

the release of the article. Then realize that a good portion of the most solid and credible evidence has come to light since the article was posted. MM is not messing with our heads, folks posting back dated materials in an effort to take the winds out of our sails are messing with our heads.

[tsuki]

4. You said it all, except maybe that the DLC can start slamming

the Republicans instead of MM for headlines.

[MSgt213]

11. Thank you. This is playing into the Repubs hands who want us to disown

Michael because Bush won and that somehow makes him a crackpot for making a movie that depict events that are still valid anyway. I think we do need to push our leaders though to be stronger and not afraid of being called a liberal and supporter of rights for people who have none. Fuck all this I agree with my republican opponent bullshit. It should be I'm totally against everything this person stands for.

[Dem2theMax]

3. He isn't messing with OUR heads.

He's messing with THEIR heads.

[sepia_steel]

5. Exactly

This is a non-issue IMO. I thought it was obvious he was being snarky and sarcastic. I don't think for one second that he believes * won.

[Meme]

8. I hope so

that would be kinda cool :D I just don´t know for sure. Sometimes I think he´s just tired of fighting, because look at what he has done and still half of America voted for the chimp. What does it take to get people to open their eyes and see the truth??? And what about his personal reasons? Maybe he was sick and tired of needing bodyguards. Sometimes I believe he really does believe that * won, because I´ve read comments on his site saying Democrats just didn´t did their job and so they lost. And sometimes I think: he really IS messing with their heads. He´s smart en he must know what he´s doing. But whatever his reason is to say the things he says, I just miss the old MM. The one that screamed and MADE people listen to him. And maybe they way he´s acting now is better, and he DOES know what he´s doing, but I still miss someone like MM, screaming and kicking, because that gives you the idea that there´s hope.

[KaliTracy]

10. yep....

[WritersBlock]

24. My thoughts exactly.

The older I get the more cynical I get about a lot of things, but I trust Michael Moore completely in this.

[LittleClarkie]

6. It's not OUR heads he's messing with

It's other, more thick heads he's having fun with.

Donchaknow.

[texpatriot2004]

26. I agree LittleClarkie, MM is playing some people, and it's not us

It makes sense that he's quiet. If he or any of our popular vocal "liberals" were speaking out about this issue it would be the perfect opportunity for RW Corporate Media to spin the story out of control. They would go into attack and smear mode and it wouldn't benefit us in the least. This way, MM says, "* got more votes" and they can't say anything. End of story. Notice that he and others are saying, "* got more votes" and they aren't saying HOW.

MM knows how the media work. He's an insider in the camera world. He's much to smart to get tripped up by them. Besides, he's very interested in * not being able to continue ruining our country.

[suziedemocrat]

7. Someone had a theory about his suit on Jay Leno

Michael Moore had a part in the movie "Lucky Numbers" where he wears a suit.
(photo) http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hc&id=1800019533&cf=pg&photoid=145679&intl=us


The movie stars John Travolta and Lisa Kudrow and it's about rigging the lottery. Maybe his suit was a "message" that he knows the election was rigged.

It's too quiet from EVERYONE!!! I'm hoping they know this is the big leagues and they have to be smart and careful - or we will lose everything in this country.

Makes me mad because at work I talked to another liberal - but when I mentioned fraud - she gave me a look like she thought I was a total nut job. I'm so tired of Bush getting credit for winning this election!

BTW - probably doesn't belong here - BUT - according to Article II, Section I of the U.S. Constitution, this is the oath the POTUS takes when he gets sworn into office:

" I, _________________, do solemnly swear, that I will faithfully
execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend, the Constitution of the United States, so help me God."

The ONLY thing the President promises to do is defend the constitution. Seems Bush is doing the exact opposite. I think when we protest we should have signs made with this simple oath on them - to remind everyone that Bush isn't doing his job.

LOVED the SOLARBUS.org site!!!!

[saracat]

12. The Dem Leadership doesn't believe the election was stolen.

They state that constantly. Micheal Moore has stated this more than eight times. There is a quote where he specifically says there was no fraud. He has stated multiple times that "Bush won, Bush got more votes ",we did not "tell our story"
Posting that link means nothing. He can have an interest in something and not believe in it. He may believe in the election fraud issue and the concept of counting every vote without believing this election was stolen.I see no reason to parse his words for him.
What does bother me is the fact that he filmed in Ohio and seemed to be open to the concept that theft was possible, and to totally disavow the possibility now seems strange. You would think he would just say he doesn't know.

[iconoclastNYC]

28. Two Words: PUBLIC RELATIONS

Even if we have evidence it may be better to let this simmer another election cycle and lay a trap. We could destroy the RNC if we play our cards right, catch some luck, and massage the media appropriately. This is what I'm hoping for.

In the meantime lets drum the DLC 'centrist' corpratists out of the party and continue our grass roots effort to deliver more progressive bodies to the Democratic party.

[saracat]

32. If we let this" simmer" there will be nothing left to save!

But I am with ya in the meantime. I will work my butt off to steer the Party left. Survival is at stake!

[SaveAmerica]

13. My take on Michael Moore

When I read his comments about Bush getting more votes and get over it, at first I was mad. I imagined that this Christmas my very rabid republican relative would throw that in my face "Michael Moore says get over it". Then I realized that I'd be able to come back with "so NOW Michael Moore is an authority on elections and our democratic process?". I don't think any of it is accidental.

[mattclearing]

14. I posted the RS quote, and I'm still not sure what to make of it.

Up is down. Right is left. 2 + 2 = 5.

Like Hunter Thompson said, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."

The going is totally weird now.

[garybeck]

30. I turned pro on 11/3

http://election.solarbus.org

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

15. He's actually mesing with the Rove, Karl head and the Cheney, Dick head

[dzika]

16. MichaelMoore.com also published an article...

...with links to videos of the Conyers' Columbus Forum yesterday.

December 20th, 2004 4:22 pm
'What Went Wrong in Ohio' Forum; Hosted by Rep. John Conyers (video)
http://michaelmoore.com/words/index.php?id=650

[satori]

17. Michael Moore and his Indymedia groupies

I first came across Michael Moore as a so called spokesmen for the left on Indymedia during the 2000 election for president. In that time I found that the majority of pro Moore and pro Nader voters were anti-Semitic and on a mission to punish the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Moore and groupies think that if liberal democratics such as myself suffer enough under a Republican president that the Democrats will then come back to its liberal values as a party.

I attempted to explain to them that a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush, and that Nader broke his promise to the Nader Raiders that he only wanted votes in states that were not swing states, and I attempted to inform that that for the first time in the history of the dissent movement that Moore and Nader were representing that in 2000 Nader and Moore were in 2000 getting more money from the Republican Party then they were from liberals. In 2000 the Republican Party paid more money for Ads then Nader did for ads that were anti Gore. The Ads were written by the Moore Nader campaign.

Moore and Nader groupies said that Bush was for the Kyoto treaty and would be pro environnment. I explained to them that Bush and his groupies were capable of lying, and that when he got into office that Bush would start a war and that the majority of Dems lean to the right and when they are scared they will shift not to liberal values but more to the right.

They concluded that I was just one of those Jews that was pro Zionist. I was actually not either my religion is Catholic but I am a half Jew in ancestry, and as a pacifist I don't think that we Americans should meddle in the affairs of others in the world, and that Israel is capable of fighting its own battles.

[merh]

18. The interview and the article predated the revelation of a lot of

the evidence. Keep things in perspective. Some posters here will find back dated materials to post for the purpose of discrediting the investigaton and fight. Check the dates on the materials posted.

[VTGold]

20. I agree! I have this gut feeling that there is something brewing...

...hope its not wishful Christmas thinking but I REALLY do think so!!

[theboss]

21. A lot of people are going to disappointed on Christmas morning

When it turns out their is no Santa Claus. The one thing I like about our side is that our people tend to not hide the ball. When the DNC, Kerry, Moore, etc. say that they believe Bush won, it's 99 percent certain that they believe Bush won. I wish people would stop thinking that some miracle is going to happen and Kerry or Moore or someone is going to have a press conference that changes everything.

It's better to focus on more constructive things, like proving electronic voting is simply not secure. We don't need to "prove fraud" in order to prove our system is broken.

[VTGold]

22. Well..when you're so sure you can see the Emperor's dingle-dangle...

...but everyone around you says:

"No! You couldn't possibly see the Emperor's dingle-dangle as he is wearing the most spectacular pair of be-jeweled, embroidered trousers every made...."

No, I swear - I see his dingle-dangle - he's not wearing shit.

And I don't believe the Democrat leadership sees the trousies either.

[demo dutch]

23. Patience is a virtue!! We need to continue to proceed quietly

and collect the evidence!! It's a time bomb! The last thing we need is the administration to do to Kerry what they did to Gore and make him look like a sore looser.

[yurbud]

25. know when to hold 'em....

[Vote4Kerry]

27. I think Moore does care about the election fraud and is following it

as evidenced from his website. I am not sure why he is not giving the issue more publicity (maybe he thinks that if he is the only one talking about it the issue might lose credibility?--just a theory) I personally think he needs to really bring this issue into the national spotlight--and he has the resources to do it!

[libertypirate]

29. Do you think after 2000 no one has a plan? please!

[Helga Scow Stern]

31. Congratulations, Gary! MM is directing 10M potential viewers to your site

which is an excellent place to go for the scoop on election fraud!!!!

I hope it can handle the traffic!

(I say 10M because MM said recently that's how many are on his mailing list.)

[fooj]

33. think about this...

MM as the democratic Santa Claus...have they been naughty or nice?:think: