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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:04 AM
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Here is a specific Ohio law Blackwell violated--I need help getting arrest
I posted on another thread that I wanted the citizens to stand up and hold Ohio Secretary of State Blackwell accountable for his actions by having him arrested. I found a specific Ohio law that he violated (and in my opinion, should be incarcerated for):

http://www.opednews.com/wade_121204_election_smoking_gu...

THE LAW
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Ohio Revised Code Title XXXV Elections, Sec. 3503.26 that requires all election records to be made available for public inspection and copying. ORC Sec. 3599.161 makes it a crime for any employee of the Board of Elections to knowingly prevent or prohibit any person from inspecting the public records filed in the office of the Board of Elections. Lastly, ORC Sec. 3599.42 states: A violation of any provision of Title XXXV (35) of the Revised Code constitutes a prima facie case of election fraud within the purview of such Title.
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THE CRIME BY BLACKWELL
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"Blackwell decided to stop the legal recount being conducted in Greene County Ohio, in mid-count. When the volunteers asked under what authority they were being stopped they were told that Ken Blackwell had determined that all voter records for the state of Ohio were locked-down, and now they are not considered public records.

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So, now that we have the specific crime Blackwell committed, what do we do to get a DA to file charges?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:06 AM
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1. Preferably find a friendly lawyer
and talk to the local DA...
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:06 AM
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2. Here's what you do
Round up about 100 or so willing people to help perform a citizen's arrest. Warn the police and DA that if they don't act to arrest Blackwell, then your posse will. Don't give them a chance to respond, just inform them. Then go do it. They'll have him arrested lickety-split in order to avoid a confrontation.

That simple.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:12 AM
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3. And record it all on video for posterity's sake
including the phone calls, preparation, everything.

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. This is a perfect stunt for Michael Moore to take on...
Let's contact him and ask him to do it!
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:39 AM
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7. the part where you're all getting billy-clubbed,maced,tasered,rubber-
bulleted,and stomped by black-outfitted and masked stormtrooper types will make a hell of a segment in a Michael Moore flick.
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Red State Blues Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:58 AM
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14. Yes,
Evidently I made so much sense pointing out how dangerous of an idea this was on the original thread that someone felt the need to to create a new thread where the idea could get even more outrageous and stupid.

It's not that I'm not with you guys in spirit, but except for the people who talk about going to a lawyer, the d.a., or the police (properly), this idea is just nuts. Why stop at Blackwell? Why not just pull a citizens arrest on W.? or his Dad? or ANY of his Brothers?
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:44 AM
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18. I was thinking that the volunteers in Greene County could let the DA know
what happened. I don't live in Ohio, so I am not sure if I could do anything myself. But, those that were personally affected--the volunteers in Greene County that were unlawfully denied access to records by Blackwell--might be able to file a complaint with the DA's office citing the law I mentioned above. I am not sure how Ohio law works, so hopefully there are some lawyers here that could provide feedback (I've never had to file charges through the DA's office either--anybody know if it is hard?) Thanks again for everybody's input into this--I am thinking we should try to get in contact with the volunteers in Greene County and see if they are willing to file a complaint with the DA (anybody know if this sounds reasonable?)
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Red State Blues Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:02 PM
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47. OK.
As far as I can see you've been pretty reasonable and I didn't mean to slam you directly, as I said in the other thread doing this in effigy might be cool. It's not a bad protest idea at all. Watching Michael Moore trying to pull it off in the same vein as "Roger & Me" would be great!

So, I'm not trying to rain on you or your good idea. It's when people start talking about posse's and bouncers and handcuffs that things need to be reigned in.
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jsascj Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 05:14 PM
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46. HEY!!! Great idea.
;-)
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #14
50. I did suggest
Edited on Thu Dec-16-04 11:40 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
the possibility of a citizens' arrest initially, but it seems to me that there is a lot of sense in what you say, Red State Blues.

The idea that the law, even in the most advanced democracies (and in US elections, any and every electoral crime, however outrageous, seems to be initially touted as "political" and, when it suits them and they think they can get away with it, the laws themselves, as mere "pieces of paper"!) is not created, *directed* and maintained by some very louche individuals in high places, is simply naive. If your lawyers express their approval, even tacitly, that's different. Try and get an opinion.

If it comes to making a citizen's arrest, at least bear in mind now, the kind of forces you will likely be dealing with, and that there is already a wealth of damning evidence your lawyers have already brought to the attention of the courts. It seems to me inconceivable now that the cover-up will not explode in their face. Success can only be delayed, not thwarted.
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KSAtheist Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:26 AM
Response to Reply #2
12. What if they don't do it?
Then what are you going to do after you "arrest" him?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:19 AM
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5. Here's an email I just sent to Moore:
Several members of www.democraticunderground.com have pretty much determined that Ken Blackwell broke the law (see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... ). We'd like your help to perform a citizen's arrest on him.

Here's the plan... we really want to force Ohio DA's/Police to arrest him on felony violation of the law, so we'll get together a crowd of people (at least 100) and call it the Blackwell Posse. We'll inform them of the Posse's intent to perform a citizen's arrest on Blackwell. This will force them to either stop the Posse or arrest Blackwell themselves. Eitherway, it will draw serious attention to the laws the Blackwell has broken. You would be extremely helpful in drawing a massive crowd of Ohio citizen's to be part of the Posse.

What do you think?
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:22 AM
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6. It's great!!! :)
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:11 AM
Response to Reply #5
11. I just emailed him too about that woman getting run off the road.
I hope he reads us.
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KSAtheist Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:35 AM
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13. My problem.
The line between "posse" and "mob" is precariously thin. I imagine to the Ohio government that it is nonexistent. If you're lucky, they'll tell you to fuck off and go home. If you're unlucky, then the Ohio NG will be called out to "disperse the mob." I trust the pecadillos of the Ohio national guard need no elaboration.

As to what happens when you attempt to "arrest" Blackwell, I suggest you watch "Assault on Precinct 13."
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moesse Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:21 AM
Response to Reply #13
16. Sadly, the Ohio NG
is probably in Iraq, with 80% of the rest of America's National Guard!

As for the "citizen's arrest" - why not alert the media and have the
"revolution" televised.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:24 PM
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39. I think your group had
better be over 50% African-American.

Headlines: "Group of 100 whites forms posse to arrest black man".

You just don't want that kind of publicity.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:40 PM
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49. Whoa... How sadly true...
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 10:41 PM by Stand and Fight
Now that is a good bit of sensibility there! Seriously. You made me laugh out loud because it is so true. Fox would have a field day and really start calling Democrats and liberals racist! They'd accuse the group of preparing to perform a lynching. They'll go even further and say it was stopped when the boys in blue showed up...
LMAO

Either way though... I think the suggestion is absolutely nuts to say the least. You start doing things like that and then you do deserve to be called dissidents.
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ClintCooper2003 Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 05:11 PM
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45. I would much prefer if John Kerry would step in make the arrest. lol
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meatsack Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:48 AM
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8. Kick -n/t
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:06 AM
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9. Kick! Kick!
:kick: This is the best idea I've seen all day!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 03:08 AM
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10. Ok, Here's your chance to be part of the posse:
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 06:14 AM
Response to Reply #10
15. Good morning from europe kick
wallop, back to the top with ya.....
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 07:33 AM
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17. Freepers have gotten to your petition! Every signature on it is from a
FREEPER! G-d I HATE those people! With every fiber of my being, I hate those people.. :grr:
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Verve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:47 AM
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19. I signed that petition. How do you know they are all freepers?n/t
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:23 PM
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22. Good question--how do you know it was invaded by freeperpeepers?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. Here's a small sample. This morning there was 55 sigs and most were like
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 12:39 PM by in_cog_ni_to
these. :( I removed names that seem to be legitimate.


Name City, State
33. Mark Johnson - I post at DUmmieUnderground. I am not real bright. Please save the DUmbocracy. democraticunderground.com
32. Tiffany Sledzianowski - I post at DUmmieUnderground. I am not real bright. Please save the DUmbocracy. democraticunderground.com
31. Joshua L. Bessom - I post at DUmmieUnderground. I am not real bright. Please save the DUmbocracy. democraticunderground.com
30.
28.
27. berni_mccoy - I post at DUmmieUnderground. I am not real bright. Please save the DUmbocracy. democraticunderground.com
26. I voted! Where is my vote? I wrote in Pat Buchanan and this does not match the official totals. One chance in two billion of that happening! democraticunderground.com
25. uninformed republican fool trying to obscure the truth fact vs faith
24. Save the DUmbocracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! democraticunderground.com
23.
22.
21. Arneback - The case is breaking wide open. I talked to the Ohio Chief Justice. He laughed and then presided over the casting of Ohio's electoral votes. Why did he laugh???? democraticunderground.com
20.
19. Jesse Jackson Please donate to Rainbow?PUSH. My illigitimate children need shoes bad! democraticunderground.com
18. Send your money to Cobb. He reaaly needs it. Use your credit card and go into dept. It is WORTH it! democraticunderground.com
17.
16. Donate to Nader. He needs our money bad! democraticunderground.com
15. DUmmieUnderground.com Help us vote! We do not understand how! I am still in line in Dayto Ohio. Kenneth Blacwell ate my baby! Confusion
14.
13. Bev Harris Donate to me at BigMacVoting.com!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BigMacVoting.com
12.
11. Admin@democraticunderground.com (Donate to DUmmieUnderground.com) Please, helpme. I am still in line waiting to cast my balot. DUmmieunderland.com
10. Skinner (Donate to DUmmieUnderground.com) Please, I am broke and my childeen are hungry. DUmmieunderland.com
9.
8. 7.
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. You are correct--how can we screen out the freeperpeepers? n/t
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. I don't think you can.
I guess their signatures just have to be removed after the fact by the web master? :shrug:
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. I signed it
and they got your IP when you sign it.
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #10
35. Jesus H. Christ! Did you see what the freepers did to that petition?
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 11:49 AM
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20. When you know you are right, it is your duty to act...
If we are afraid to act, we are being ruled by fear. The only way this ends possitively is for some to overcome their fears.

We change the world one choice at a time!

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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:14 PM
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21. Before we do anything, let's ask the lawyers their opinion on this
From what I have been reading, it is probably best to go to the DA's office first and try to file charges. I am not sure how that process works in Ohio, so maybe if we have any lawyers that are reading you could help? Somebody said that freeperpeepers were signing the above petition? Do you think that if you bring a signed petition to DA's office it might motivate them to want to take action? Just some thoughts.
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George W. Hayduke Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. DUH!!!!!!!
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drummer55 Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:35 PM
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24. Definition
Prima Facie From the Latin: "From first view"; not requiring further support to establish existence, credibility, or validity. (Case) A case sufficient on its face, being supported by the necessary minimum evidence and free from obvious defects. (Evidence) Evidence sufficient to support a certain conclusion unless contradictory evidence is given.
www.co.fresno.ca.us/2810/Glossary/glossary.htm
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peace_good_war_bad Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:55 PM
Response to Original message
29. I signed petition and I Am NOT A FREEPER
By the way, this is the first time I've posted...I signed the petition and I am not a freeper,,,I just want justice.
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. Thanks! Welcome to DU!
Glad you signed (and glad you are not a Freeper!) Welcome to DU!! :hi:
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:56 PM
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30. Talked to my friend--she says we should be able to at least sue
Blackwell for his crimes. She was not sure if the Cobb volunteers would be the ones who would have to press charges, though. Hopefully we can get in contact with the volunteers and ask them to please press charges against Blackwell.
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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #30
36. FUCK THE SUIT! He is a criminal!! He needs to be jailed!
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 12:58 PM
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31. Key words: "ANY PERSON"
Blackheart and his office are saying the reason they took the records away is because the volunteers were from the Green party and that there needed to be a Rep. and a Dem present in order for them to view the records. It seems clear, he can't get out of this one.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:09 PM
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33. I say call law enforcement agency with jurisdiction (where violation
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 01:10 PM by AzDar
took place),and inform them that you ARE filing a criminal complaint against Blackwell..(whether they like it or not!). Threaten to go "over their heads" if not accomodated. Tell them that the Media, as well as the Citizenry are watching that they are not derelict in their duties. A criminal is a criminal,right???
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YBR31 Donating Member (83 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:13 PM
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34. Should it be sent to Cliff Arnebbeck?
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:25 PM
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37. About the petition--it has some facts wrong
I sent the petition over to my friend for analysis. Here is what she says:

"The petition gets a lot wrong. For instance, the Greene County recount had not begun when this occurred. They were doing research for the recount, which is another thing entirely, and which blows the whole petition out of the water as a result. I wouldn't recommend circulating the petition, as the only real use of something like this is as a PR ploy, and that will backfire because of the misinformation involved. No, the DA's office wouldn't be motivated by a petition like this."

So, we should think of a different strategy or make a new petition

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George W. Hayduke Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 01:30 PM
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38. HEY, I HAVE AN IDEA
Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 01:37 PM by George W. Hayduke
lets play Cops and Robbers and pretend like theres this bad guy and we can arrest him and stuff.......ALL BY OURSELVES WITHOUT THE HELP OF GROWN-UPS AND PROFESSIONALS.

gimme a break, kids. I understand people REALLY want to do something, but seriously.......don't you think all the professionals and lawyers involved now have taken the obstruction issue into account and that they are working on this as we speak???

the immaturity and lack of forethought before posting and blasting emails to MSM in this forum are astounding. I'm gonna start a thread called "Kerry's Kids" with the emphasis on KIDS pretty soon for those who continue to remain naive and uneducated about the gravity of political power struggles historically and in these recent events.

flame away....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:08 PM
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godel escher bach Donating Member (55 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:15 PM
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41. I wonder his his armed bodygaurds (state troopers) might react ?
I bet I know...
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:18 PM
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42. Here's the catch: the records were being examined by Green volunteers
while the law requires a DEMOCRAT and a REPUBLICAN both to be present during the recont examinations. Since there were none present only the Greens, they decided to take the records away.

Cute, Huh?
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phantomvotes Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. Listen up FREEPERS
When they reinstate the draft it will be republican freepers and their children going to Iraq, Iran and Syria to have their arms, legs and heads blowed off for oil. That is what your republican Bushie ass kissin
will get you.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 05:05 PM
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44. What makes you think that
one of the lawyers there isn't aware of this law and is doing something with it?
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:34 PM
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48. That isn't the only law its obvious that he and other officials violated.
I've posted lots of documentation on obvious malfeasance on another thread.
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