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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:37 PM
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Update from Greene County Ohio - Sworn Affidavit
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 04:45 PM by dzika
I got this email from Katrina Sumner this afternoon and I thought it deserved its' own thread.

Other threads about the Greene County, Ohio Lockdown are here:

Thread 1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x140551

Thread 2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x141557

Thread 3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x142934

Thread 4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=203

Sorry for the length but I felt that the entire thing should be posted:

I got this email from Katrina earlier today:


Referencing Greene County BOE:

You all know the first press release that I submitted here and since then there
have been unofficial releases (meaning they were not previously viewed by
representatives of each presidential party working on the recount efforts and
their lawyers) from the two that were helping me in Greene County. Since the
original release you may know that the Greene County BOE was left unlocked from
Friday, November 10th, 2004 at 4:30pm by Greene County BOE directors (as they
stated to Link TV by mistake???) until Saturday at 12:30pm when Xenia Police had
a contractor come and lock the doors. Prior to them arriving we found the doors
unlocked (at around 10:15am) and looked inside to see why. Now there are
volunteers surveilling the BOE around the clock to make sure there is no foul
play going on.

Last night I spoke at a meeting where Susan, Bob, Jesse and the Rainbow Push
group, among others were, by request of Cliff Arnbeck. At the end of that meeting
I gave my affidavit to Cliff that will be used with the case presented this
morning in Columbus, and for further action in Greene County (which will come
later). The two others will appear at the hearing today to give testimony so I'm
sure you will be able to read their testimonies at some time. Below you will find
the affidavit in part below.

Katrina Sumner, having been duly sworn and cautioned, states and affirms as
follows:

1. On Thursday, December 9, 2004 I sent Joan Quinn and Eve Robertson, (two
volunteers I chose to work with me on the recount efforts) to the Greene County
BOE to review public voter records that would reflect precincts that I had been
investigating since November 3, 2004.

2. At 3:30pm on Friday, December 10, 2004, while completing their work, Joan
contacted me and acknowledged that the information found during reviewing voter
logs coincided with the information I gained from investigating, along with what
I had suspected. Joan asked me what should be done at that time. I decided that
all those voter files should be copied for each precinct, as allowed.


3. Joan asked the Director of the BOE about getting copies and the cost for all
precincts. As I listened over the phone, the director said it would be a thousand
dollars for the copies. I discussed it further with Joan and asked her to go
ahead and request the copies then. We then ended the phone conversation.

4. Shortly after Joan called me again stating that the director called to the
Secretary of State's office and spoke with Pat Wolfe, Adminstrator of Elections,
and was told that all public voter records should be immediately locked down.
Joan aked me what to do and I told her to stay there and I would makes some calls
and see what could be done.

5. When I returned the call back to Joan she then told me that the County
Prosecutor stated to the Director of the BOE that she was not to go against SOS
Blackwell's office and that the recrds were to be removed from the volunteers.
Joan stated to me that the director took one of the books out of the hands of Eve
Robertson.

6. I then told Joan I would be on my there. When I arrived at the BOE Joan and
Eve had left and the office was clsed. I then reached the two volunteers by phone
and they returned, and we spent the evening dscussing the issues that happened.


7. We spent the evening discussing these ssues at the home where the two
volunteers were staying. Once I left to go home, I decided to drive back by the
BOE to see if everything would be ok there after what had happened earlier. When
I drove by, the office was completely dark, the parking lot empty, and all looked
fine.

8. The following morning we decided to meet in order to continue canvassing the
precincts of Greene County. Joan and Eve arrived first at the BOE and called me
at 10:15am stating the door to the BOE was unlocked. I was just around the corner
and told then I'd be right there.

9. Upon arriving I noticed a single light on inside that was not on the night
before, at 10:30pm. I asked the two if they had turned on the light and they said
not.

10. We decided we would look in to see if anyone was inside and if everything was
ok. Walking inside it appeared nobody was inside so we walked around calling out
to anyone who could've been there. We had no replies.


11. We came out and spoke in front of the side door about what to do. It was
suggested to me that we should also look downstairs where the ballots were in
case someone was down there. This seemed reasonable to me since I was under the
impression that some counties were beginning their recounts on that Saturday.

12. We then went in again and went down to the end of the hall, through a door,
down steps, and into another door in the basement leading to the room where the
ballot boxes were stored, ballots in open boxes, challenge letters, and the books
that been taken from Joan and Eve the day prior were fully in the open view.

13. This concerned me since it appeared obvious to me with the light being turned
on between 10:30pm and 10:15am that someone must have been inside during the
night and had access to all of this.

14. We returned to our cards then and began making calls to people to see what to
do about this situation and have the police called.

15. About thirty minutes later the police arrived and searched the building. They
returned to the outside stating there was no forced entry and everything appeared
untouched and intact. They called to a contractor to come and lock the door.

16. A truck appeared witht he name on the side of Shawnee Air & Heating. The man
spoke with the police, did somethng to the door in order to make it lock, and
then the police and contractor left.

17. Approximately fifteen minutes later the BOE director came with a couple
others. At the same time two media presence came. They came along with us to
speak to the director of the BOE. She stated that the door was accidentally left
unlocked Friday when the employees and her self left at 4:30pm. She staed that
nothing had been touched and everything inside was secure.

18. I asked her if anyone would have been able to get to the ballots and she
stated no, sayign the door at the bottom of the stairs was locked. I asked her
several tmes that question because we knew the door was unlocked when we were in
there prior to anyone arriving.

19. She told us once again on camera that it was locked. She allowed us all to
follow her downstairs and view the room. After that we left and she said she
would be seeing me on Wednesday for the recount.

20. After this situation had happened I was requested by Cliff Arnebeck to find
volunteers or people who would be paird to secure the building until further
notice. I was told to have two volunteers at mst around the clock to make sure it
remained secure.

21. I was unable to get anyone so late on a Saturday, but offered to stay myself.
At around 11:00pm I was talking to Colby from the Cobb campaign when the upstairs
lights (that were then on) went off and the downstairs lights went on, and then
turned back again. I put Colby on hold and tried to see if there was anyone
inside through the blinds however I couldn't see anyone.

22. Colby and I discussed whether it may be that the lights are on a timed
trigger of sorts. I continued to watch to see if anyone would come out of the
building, but did not see anyone. However, I couldn't watch both doors and a
partially underground walkway going from the BOE to the building behind it.

23. Not much longer a sheriff came out and he said if I didn't see anyone then
there was nothing one would do, waned to know precisely what I was doing there
and who requested me to be there. I explained the situation to the Sheriff and he
told me he had no idea of the situation of the building being unlocked preciously
and that, after a call, his station knew nothing of it. The Greene County Sheriff
then left.

24. About twenty minuters later the sheriff returned and asked for my driver's
license, called it in, then gave it back shortly after. The sheriff had no idea
of a recount, and was not aware that there was any contest to the election. I
remained at the BOE until 10:30am Sunday until I was relieved by another to take
a shift.

Sworn and subscribed to Cliff Arnebeck on the 12th day of December 2004.

*********************************************************************************
Just now I recieved a call from someone who volunteered for election protection
in Greene County at the BOE and has given me some significant information. I'm
not going to add that here at this time, but I will quote her quoting an employee
on October 28, 2004 talking about voting rights. "My supervisor says to take your
voting right brochures to Central State University."
The woman being quoted, at
that time in tears, further is quoted saying, "I'm so sorry. You will understand
after the election. This will be in the news."


I can not tell you how important it is at this time to listen to people. Simple
details we would generally not think much about are proving to add to the case in
Greene County.

Thanks everyone..
Katrina Sumner

www.caseohio.org / www.jtmp.org / www.blackboxvoting.org
www.commoncause.org / www.freepress.org / www.choosetheblue.com
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:41 PM
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1. kickin' my own thread. n/t
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:43 PM
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2. Wow! Thanks for the Update(s)...
There is so much going on today!
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:50 PM
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5. There is a lot of information today.
Threads are dropping off of page 1 pretty fast.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:55 PM
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8. kick! n/t
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:43 PM
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15. kick n/t
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 06:02 PM
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16. kick n/t
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:45 PM
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3. hey, I'll kick it too
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:45 PM
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4. nice; can you comment on
the testimony of, I believe, Robertson today where she referred to having videotaped the inside of the building?
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:56 PM
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9. I believe that video taping
the inside of the building is what Katrina could not tell us on Saturday.

If you remember the Director for Greene County BOE stated that the voting records were kept in the basement and that they could not have been tampered with because the basement door was locked.

Katrina said that they had evidence that would prove that the statement by the BOE Director, Carol Garman, could not be true.

You may also remember that the local LinkTV station arrived at the scene with a video camera prior to the BOE director arriving.

I believe that the videotape of the inside of the BOE building is the evidence that Katrina couldn't tell us about earlier.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:59 PM
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11. that's what I had guessed, too
that they had videotaped the basement door being unlocked and boxes of records available to anyone who happened to trip over them.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:53 PM
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6. Wow! Thank you dzika!
"My supervisor says to take your voting right brochures to Central State University." The woman being quoted, at that time in tears, further is quoted saying, "I'm so sorry. You will understand
after the election. This will be in the news."


hmmmm...
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:53 PM
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7. kick
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:30 PM
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14. kick n/t
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:58 PM
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10. Good info. Thans for posting.
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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:13 PM
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12. Was there any movement on the lock down issue today?
Or is that the new law that we have to live with?
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:17 PM
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13. I'm not sure.
I'm still trying to catch up with everything that has happened today.
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 06:11 PM
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17. kick. thanks for posting! n/t
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 06:21 PM
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18. Somebody help me
with this paragraph. Spell it out for me. I want to make sure I understand this. I think I have graded too many papers today and don't want to read this the wrong way.

Just now I recieved a call from someone who volunteered for election protection
in Greene County at the BOE and has given me some significant information. I'm
not going to add that here at this time, but I will quote her quoting an employee
on October 28, 2004 talking about voting rights. "My supervisor says to take your
voting right brochures to Central State University." The woman being quoted, at
that time in tears, further is quoted saying, "I'm so sorry. You will understand
after the election. This will be in the news."

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thanatonautos Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 02:37 AM
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21. Central State University is in Wilberforce, northeast of Xenia, in Greene
County.

Googling it, you can find that Central is an
African-American University which split off from
Wilberforce University, an African-American University
that was founded before the Civil War by the abolitionist
William Wilberforce.

So, one can bet on the fact that it's students voted
overwhelmingly for Kerry, or at least that they tried
to.

Now, we have a story related at third hand and with
some details left out, so it's hard to parse.

This is just breaking down the story, I'm not sure
I understand completely what is implied.

(1) Katrina talked to a woman, a volunteer for election
protection.

(2) The volunteer talked to a second woman, before the
election, an `employee.'

(2a) We don't know who employed the second woman.

(3) The second woman reports that a few days before
the election, her supervisor told her to `take your
voting rights brochures to Central State University.'

(4) The second woman is very upset on relating her
story, in tears, and she says "I'm so sorry. You will
understand after the election. This will be in the news."

So, just speculating here. The second woman was upset,
because she had been trying to distribute voting rights
brochures at work, and her supervisor on seeing she was
doing this basically told her to quit it, and take the
brochures to Central State University instead, because the
African-American students there are sure going to need
the brochures. I can understand how this could upset
someone, depending on the tone of voice, and what
else might have been said.

The interesting question is what else did
the second woman know, because it sounds like
she knew something. Is she going to come
forward and tell an interesting story?





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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:49 PM
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23. Thank you, Thanatonautos!
That is just what I needed. :pals:
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:14 PM
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25. I spoke to Katrina on Sat. I wanted to tell her the things I had found
on a Triad programmer since Triad is in Greene County. She told me that out of 3000 students at Central State registered to vote only 55 had been able to. They screwed them over on the PO Box vs. zip code issue on their addresses,.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:44 PM
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26. I spoke to an attorney who volunteered for the election here in
Nashville. He was the last on the list to be called and he was called in at around 7pm on election night. They were out of provisional ballots. He said that when students registered here they were told that they had to put down their home address and not to use their school P.O. #'s. So when they went to vote they couldn't because their home address wasn't in the county. It's a damning shame that all those students around the country, who were excited about voting ... most in their first election, were disenfranchised and disillusioned.

It should be a crime to make students in Ohio wait in line for 10 hours and then throw away their ballots.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 09:45 AM
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28. I think the implication is that this black college in OH the students were
intentionally misled on address so as to be intentionally disenfranchised. Looking at black colleges only should be illuminating...
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 06:29 PM
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19. We Need More Patriots Like You!
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 06:29 PM by corbett
All of your extra efforts and the details you've shared with us are garnering MAJOR karmic merit!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 08:23 PM
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20. kick
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 09:02 PM
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22. the lockdown happened when they found the truth
interesting. This will take a while to piece together. But they can't stop the truth forever.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #22
24. Are the voter logs in GreeneCounty still being withheld? locked down?
Anyone heard what the fraud was that was uncovered that caused the logs to be taken away??
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-14-04 10:52 PM
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27. Last night Obermann said
that the records were locked down because there wasn't 1 Dem and 1 R* present. If this is true then they should be able to view the records with the correct parties present.

A thread with a video of last night's Countdown is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x158102
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