Computer machines in Broward say Bush surged 33% in votes!

[KelleyKramer]

I've been curious to see how the vote would change after installing computer voting machines in the large Democratic areas of Florida.
Just compared the vote this time to the 2000 election, and found some surprising and very dramatic changes.

These Florida vote numbers are from the CNN website and the new numbers show 99% reporting, so its not complete but close enough to make a comparison.

I would be curious to hear from folks who live in these areas and see if Bush had some sort of huge GOTV that would set record increases like the computer voting machines say he got.


County........2000 2004 Increase

Broward
Gore/Kerry...386k 441k 14%
Bush...........177k 236k 33%

Dade
Gore/Kerry...328k 381k 17%
Bush...........289k 324k 12%

Palm Beach
Gore/Kerry...268k 275k 2.6%
Bush...........152k 174k 14.5%

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Edit- trying to get the numbers to line up correctly

[Mojambo]

1. The Democrats will never win Florida again. n/t

[gardenista]

26. No Democrat will ever win again in Florida, unless her name is

Theresa LaPore.

[Milo_Bloom]

2. Is the chart messed up?

County 2004 2000 Increase

Broward
Bush 441k 386k 14%
Gore/Kerry 236k 177k 33%

Dade
Bush 381k 328k 17%
Gore/Kerry 324k 289k 12%

Palm Beach
Bush 275k 268k 2.6%
Gore/Kerry 174k 152k 14.5%

Looks like you are saying Bush won these counties??

Do these counties ALL have touch screen voting or are their some scantrons mixed in??

[meganmonkey]

3. Optical readers are Diebold, too!!!

[KelleyKramer]

4. Hit reload

It didnt take the extra spaces, I just tried to make it line it up better.

The %'s are the percent change from last time to this time.

Not sure if its totally computer or not, maybe another DU'er can answer that.

[FloridaGuy23]

6. It looks backwards....

flip Kerry and Bush.

Kerry won all three of those counties with between 54% and 62%, to the best of my recollection. It was a wide margin.

[KelleyKramer]

11. Did it!

Thanks, only took three updates *sigh*

[Chi]

16. All three counties use e voting

"Do these counties ALL have touch screen voting"

http://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/map.php?&topic_string=5estd&state=Florida

All three counties use e voting touch screens

[mongo]

5. If we do not fight e-voting without a paper trail

these machines will be everywhere by 2008.

This should be our number one priority.

[The Doctor.]

10. "Abra-Ka-Diebold"

You are right - this may have been our best chance to get this element out of the WH.

Problem is this - those that suppport them are Ideologues. They are not interested in all them fancy "facts, figures, and research".

It is impossible to show this to the Rethug Ideologues - they won't believe it nor will they look at the facts.

This will be a very hard fight.

[CitySky]

15. I am with you Mongo.

Even the reasonable doubt about our votes being counted is enough to undermine democracy. Get a voter-verified paper trail -- have Congress pass this SOON, in 2005!

[liveoaktx]

19. A paper trail is not enough- there should also be complete

transparency in the source code, rather than proprietary code; some method to compare the totals of each individual machine (printed) with the paper receipts BEFORE uploading to a main server,as an audit check, and absolutely no way for a poll worker to alter vote totals, whether adding or deleting. Further, any accesses to the administrative menus should create audit trails and require individual rather than generic logins.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. Hunh? Kerry Increase bigger than Bush increase?

If I'm reading this correctly, it seems to say that Kerry got a bigger boost than Bush and that the biggest boost was in Broward. This does not agree with your topic title.

County     2004 2000 Increase

Broward
Bush       441k 386k 14%
Gore/Kerry 236k 177k 33%

Dade
Bush       381k 328k 17%
Gore/Kerry 324k 289k 12%

Palm Beach
Bush       275k 268k  2.6%
Gore/Kerry 174k 152k 14.5%

[KelleyKramer]

9. Just fixed it, hit reload

Sorry about that, was in a rush and didnt paste them in the right order.

Just hit reload and it should be correct now.

[rkc3]

8. 4 hurricanes were the best that happened for the bush campaign.

He flooded the state with relief money and bought himself the votes.

[Blue Wally]

12. Broward County

Lots of migration into Broward County in the last four years and much of it fromn the "well-to-do".

[KelleyKramer]

13. Population only went up 02.6%

From the US gov census site here shows a 6% increase in population
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/12011.html

BUT.. 65,000 of that was from new births, so actually the NEW (migrated) population only increased less than 3%

And new residential housing starts have gone DOWN--
http://www.broward.org/accounting/cafr_2003/aci01523.pdf

The largest employer is Winn Dixie grocery stores.

Retail sales have also gone down in the county, a clear indication that new wealth has NOT entered county.

[JPZenger]

14. I double checked his Broward numbers

I checked the data for Broward County that is used above. It is accurate.

I used Broward County 2004 data from yahoo.com. The same data was posted on cnn.com. I then looked at two sources for 2000 election data for Broward (one is linked below). His numbers checked out - from 2000 to 2004 in Broward, there was a 33.5% increase in Bush votes and a 14% increase in Kerry votes.

http://www.fraudfactor.com/fffl2kdisqualified.html

Remember, Broward is the Democratic-majority county where Jeb Bush replaced the Elections Supervisor and where thousands of absentee ballots somehow disappeared.
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Footnote- The 2004 data is with 98% of Broward precincts reporting. The current 2004 data for Miami-Dade is with 99% of precincts reporting.

[KelleyKramer]

17. Do you know how much of the county uses computer machines?

I have seen FL state maps that show the county as using computer voting, but its not clear if that means 'all' or 'part' of the county precincts.

Does anyone know where that info is available??

[althecat]

18. Thanks for this Kelly... I referred to this in my

Where did *'s 8 million votes come from thread..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x15567

[KelleyKramer]

20. Thanks, one question ...

I would like to check this in more places.. Do you know where there is a list of what states and their counties that have computer voting??

I found one at verifiedvoting but for some reason the map locks up my browser and crashes the computer (tried 3-4 times and gave up)

Thanks

[althecat]

22. There used to be a few lists about... there is probly one at BBV.org

Once things around here calm down a bit we can probably look in the archive for links.

That said I don't think we need to calibrate the extra votes with particular machines..
- first we need to find the states where the extra votes are...
- then we can look for the counties and then we can see what machines are being used.

Fact is we do not actually know which technology is compromised.

Finally... if you have any specific queries I can look at the verified voting map for you.

al

[KelleyKramer]

25. Any counties you can give me from these states

I'm assuming something like this is going to take a lot of time, so may as well start with swing states.

If you have time to take a look, would really appreciate getting ...

Any other counties in Florida besides the three listed above.

Ohio, if there are any?

Anything in West Virginia, Arkansas, Missouri, and New Mexico.

Again, not necessarily all of them, but whatever you have time to get would be great,

Thanks!


PS Last time I checked BBV.org was down from being 'over bandwidth quota'.

[schultzee]

21. Kerry did not even have the balls to talk about the paperless audit

trail machines during the election. He might have saved us, but he lacked the balls to do it.

[henslee]

23. If numbers are fishy, I bet reliable Paul Lukasiak would will soon be

writing something about it. He seems to sink his teeth into stuff like this.

[chelo1973]

24. The Machines were rigged by Diebold Evidence is here>>>>>>>

Go to Blackboxvoting.org and it will explain everything!!!!!!!!!

[fizzana]

27. There is a far simpler explanation.

A lot more Jews voted for Bush on the "Bush is better for Israel's security" insanity.

My father-in-law lives in Broward County and knows more than a few of them.

[althecat]

28. Are there 70,000 of them?

[althecat]

29. Plus there is this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x1937333

[KelleyKramer]

33. Good point

There were 75% voting for Kerry.

[fizzana]

30. I don't know but bear in mind that each one

represents a lost vote for Kerry and a gained vote for Bush. 20,000 of them (eminently possible considering the Jewish population in Broward County) would account for a 40,000 swing in votes.

I've found a surprising number of Jewish people in Los Angeles, where I live, who did the same.

[Expat_Kristen]

35. Yep/

Wanted to say this as well. The south Florida jews who usually always go dem, came out in droves for bush. Yuck.

[lockdown]

31. BBV irregularities in Palm Beach and other parts of Florida

The Ghost Votes in the Machine
Voting Snafus Across the Nation

By ANN HARRISON

A non-partisan coalition monitoring problems at polling sites has reported failures of electronic voting machines around the United States - some of which recorded touch screen votes for candidates voters had not selected. While errors were resolved in the cases brought to the attention of poll watchers, many voters remain uncertain whether their proper vote was cast in a bitterly contested election in which President George Bush has claimed victory.

"A number of people who thought they were voting for Kerry, when the screen came up it showed they were voting for Bush," said Cindy Cohn, legal director for the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) which is a member of the coalition. "We've seen it across several voting systems, not just one machine."

snip

Because of the 2000 election meltdown in Florida, election watchers closely monitored polling places in that state. Matt Zimmerman, an EFF voting attorney in Miami, Florida said there have been multiple reports of voting machine problems in Florida where incorrect candidates had been selected by e-voting machines and voters had problems going back and changing their votes. He said most of these malfunctions occurred with the Sequoia Edge machine in Palm Beach County were voters were presented with preselected choices on the entire electronic ballot which were often skewed away from Democratic candidates.

http://www.counterpunch.org/harrison11032004.html

Kerry votes flipping to Bush, on different types of voting systems. That's some fucking glitch.

[sadiesworld]

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[BQueen]

34. Ohio Numbers for 2000 and 2004 available here

http://serform.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/index.html

working on figuring out where precisely where e-voting was going on, since many counties say mixed (the website you noted worked for me, and was accurate as to my county-- Auglaize -- but Electiononline had it as punchcard.)

I'm pulling the Ohio numbers for all the main races in 2000 off the site right now. Already have 2004, will take some time to analyze, and not my strong suit.