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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 05:20 AM
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smoking gun on Blackwell, Bush, and diebold
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 05:29 AM by AnIndependentTexan
I've been doing a lot of research relating on Blackwell and how they implanted election reform into Ohio. Articles I want to point out. The first one is about Blackwell running for a second term as Ohio SoS. I've taken a few Snipits from it.

http://www.cincypost.com/2002/10/09/edita100902.html

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The fact that the peripatetic (and, yes, ambitious) Blackwell is seeking another four-year term might be taken as a sign that he's maturing, that he's learning one of the toughest discipline in politics: patience. The irony is that this is an office he once jokingly dismissed as not worth winning. But he has run it well for the past four years and, we submit, deserves another term.
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Though the secretary of state is Oho's chief elections officer, the mechanics of the job are responsibility of county election boards. After the 2000 presidential disaster in Florida, Blackwell tried to convince Gov. Bob Taft and the leaders of the General Assembly to appropriate state funds to give local election officials an incentive to upgrade their voting equipment. When the state's budget crises shut down that notion, he smoothly shifted to a more workable strategy: codifying into law a set of criteria that local boards must meet in their election systems. Now that Congress appears to be poised to come through with federal funds to help pay for any necessary upgrades, Ohio should be well positioned to take advantage of them.

Flannery, for his part, has run an aggressive race. He is serving his second term in the Ohio House, representing a suburban Cleveland district. He faults Blackwell for not moving fast enough on election reforms, for taking too long to process certain corporate filings, and for being too quiet for too long about the allegedly shady campaign finance practices of some of Blackwell's GOP's colleagues. Flannery generates a lot of smoke, but beneath it there isn't much fire.
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This article is important because Bush signed the election reform that GAVE BLACKWELL MORE POWER over the counties.

http://www.ohiocitizen.org/moneypolitics/2003/get_say.h...

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Although counties once had ultimate control over their voting systems, the Help America Vote Act, signed into law last year by President Bush, moved the responsibility for elections from counties to a central elections figure in each state. The law is part of an effort to avoid a replay of the 2000 presidential election debacle in Florida, where several counties found themselves embroiled in such election controversy that the U.S. Supreme Court was required to sort it out.
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This next article is important because it pointed out the problems that Ohio will be facing before election date. Notice the date of the article October 5, 2004. It was basically a warning.

http://www.fairvote.org/righttovote/calmes.htm

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Election experts agree that Ohio holds the greatest potential for trouble. The state is not only the one most hotly contested by President Bush and Democratic Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts. It also faces "just about every issue that's come up in election reform," says Doug Chapin, director of Electionline.org4, a nonpartisan watchdog group.
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The final tie of Bush, Blackwell, and Diebold. Blackwell was a strong pusher of diebold in Ohio. Even though others protested Blackwell felt the need to Push for Diebold to be in Ohio.

Wednesday, December 08, 2004
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm
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COLUMBUS - The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election.

O'Dell attended a strategy pow-wow with wealthy Bush benefactors - known as Rangers and Pioneers - at the president's Crawford, Texas, ranch earlier this month. The next week, he penned invitations to a $1,000-a-plate fund-raiser to benefit the Ohio Republican Party's federal campaign fund - partially benefiting Bush - at his mansion in the Columbus suburb of Upper Arlington.


The letter went out the day before Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, also a Republican, was set to qualify Diebold as one of three firms eligible to sell upgraded electronic voting machines to Ohio counties in time for the 2004 election.

Blackwell's announcement is still in limbo because of a court challenge over the fairness of the selection process by a disqualified bidder, Sequoia Voting Systems.

In his invitation letter, O'Dell asked guests to consider donating or raising up to $10,000 each for the federal account that the state GOP will use to help Bush and other federal candidates - money that legislative Democratic leaders charged could come back to benefit Blackwell.

They urged Blackwell to remove Diebold from the field of voting-machine companies eligible to sell to Ohio counties.

This is the second such request in as many months. State Sen. Jeff Jacobson, a Dayton-area Republican, asked Blackwell in July to disqualify Diebold after security concerns arose over its equipment.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:54 AM
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1. Wow, good research! n/t
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:10 AM
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2. Thanks for the info.
"State Sen. Jeff Jacobson, a Dayton-area Republican, asked Blackwell in July to disqualify Diebold after security concerns arose over its equipment".

But, I bet bush asked him to not disqualify diebold. That assface....
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:12 AM
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3. Thanks
It's very well put together to tell the story.

The problem is...that this is all allowed to happen. The Ukrainians are still protesting to ensure a voting system not prone to fraud. They are wiser then us. After 2000 we got changes that made fraud easier instead of more difficult.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 04:09 PM
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11. Which is to say, restrictions on absentee ballots. n/t
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:18 AM
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4. Thank you Texan! Excellent! n/t
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:48 AM
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5. WOW!
Thanks for this excellent research!
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:12 PM
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6. bump
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sepia_steel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:36 PM
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7. Thanks!
Good stuff!
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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:41 PM
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8. This could be the start of a beautiful investigation.....
... if we can prove that they bought and certified Diebold when they knew it was flawed and insecure...has to be a whistleblower in OH on this - has to be! Has to be someone who got the creeps over this deal.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:51 PM
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9. Part Two of my Research on Blackwell
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 03:51 PM by AnIndependentTexan
I know this article is from Foxnews, but because Bush was invovled and FOX was covering this story I believe it shows more part on what was at play. Basically what was reported is that the Federal mandate that Bush signed WAS DELAYED. Blackwell Recieved special premission as well. That is why we had punch-cards in Ohio this year.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125160,00.html

A federal mandate to replace punch-card voting machines with electronic devices has fizzled to the point that only four of Ohio's 88 counties will consider the idea for this year, the secretary of state's office said Thursday.

The four counties Hardin, Lorain, Mercer and Trumbull must decide after the state completes a test of the machines, made by North Canton-based Diebold Inc. The tests should be completed by July 19, said Carlo LoParo, a spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell.

Initially, up to 31 counties were prepared to switch from punch cards and lever voting devices to electronic machines, but the number has dwindled to four. The rest of the state must complete the conversion to electronic machines by the 2006 primary election.

The original deadline set by the federal Help America Vote Act (search) was the Nov. 2 election, but Blackwell received a waiver because of security questions.
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This next article shows that with the power Blackwell was given by Bush he was able to violate it

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/09/ohio_voter...

So, befitting the state's anachronistic Rust Belt economy, tactics have turned to good old-fashioned voter suppression and intimidation rather than high-tech tampering. In a recent campaign stop in Cleveland, Sen. John Kerry suggested that such intimidation was already underway. His comments came on the heels of Blackwell's backpedaling on his decision to enforce an archaic law requiring that all new registrations be on postcard-weight paper. But it seems Blackwell may have several more tricks up his sleeve.

"What's happening in Ohio," says Talley, "is that the secretary of state has issued a statement saying that provisional ballots should not be issued if voters are in the wrong polling location." With tens of thousands of newly registered voters, confusion about where to go is likely. Withholding provisional ballots -- which the Help America Vote Act, passed in 2002 in the wake of the 2000 election debacle, specifically mentions as an alternative voting method when valid registration is in doubt -- will result in many people simply not voting.

We "sent a letter to the secretary of state saying that it's a violation of the Help America Vote Act," says Talley. Not getting an adequate response, the Ohio Voter Protection Coalition filed a lawsuit on Tuesday. The Ohio Democratic Party has already sued on this issue, and a judge is expected to issue a ruling on that suit by Oct. 15.
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This next article is important because it shows the length at which they created long lines in order to stop the voting process in Ohio.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2004/11/22/131412/66

Many machines were not placed, and when they were placed, they were frequently shifted from minority precincts to white precincts. This manufactured long lines in many heavily Democratic precincts in Franklin County, and resulted in a turnout gap much greater than that found in other areas of Ohio.
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Another article talking about how they created long lines

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/990

The Board of Elections document details that there are 2886 Total Machines in Franklin County. Twenty of them are In Vans for Breakdowns. The County record acknowledges 2886 were available on Election Day, November 2 and that 2798 of their machines were placed by close of polls. The difference between the machines available and those placed is 68. The nonpartisan Election Protection Coalition provided legal advisors and observed 58 polling places in primarily African American and poor neighborhoods in Franklin County.

An analysis of the Franklin County Board of Elections allocation of machines reveals a consistent pattern of providing fewer machines to the Democratic city of Columbus, with its Democratic mayor and uniformly Democratic city council, despite increased voter registration in the city. The result was an obvious disparity in machine allocations compared to the primarily Republican white affluent suburbs.

Franklin County had traditionally used a formula of one machine per 100 voters, with machine usage allowable up to 125 votes per machine. The Countys rationale is as follows: if it takes each voter five minutes to vote, 12 people an hour, 120 people in ten hours and the remaining three hours taken up moving people in and out of the voting machines.

Once a machine is recording 200 voters per machine, 100% over optimum use, the system completely breaks down. This causes long waits in long lines and potential voters leaving before casting their ballots, due to age, disability, work and family responsibilities.




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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:58 PM
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10. Great piece of investigating
It gives a road map that further demonstrates the extraordinary conflict of interest on Blackwell's part. Please, send this to Arnebeck!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 04:19 PM
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12. Excellent research. I think you nailed it with the Help America Vote Act.
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HEAVYHEART Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 04:20 PM
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13. Wonderful!!! Thanks AIT!
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:18 PM
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14. Part Three of my Research on Blackwell
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 06:27 PM by AnIndependentTexan
Carlo LoParo gave time frame of 2005 for safety.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040725-112741-2997r...
Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell said earlier this month that three counties that were considering electronic systems cannot switch by November because tests revealed security problems.
Blackwell spokesman Carlo LoParo said Friday that the agency hopes to have electronic voting that meets security requirements in place by 2005.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/state/20...

The state says it's working as fast as it can to replace punch-cards but problems with electronic voting technology have stalled the effort.

"They're claiming that the state has been denying the right to vote to African-Americans," said Rich Coglianese, an attorney defending the state. "It's our position that the state has not denied the right to vote to anybody, and the evidence will never be able to show that."
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American Civil Liberties had filed suit to stop the use of punch cards in Ohio

http://rdu.news14.com/content/nc_decides_2004/?ArID=577...

Punch card voting will take place in 68 of Ohio's 88 counties, including three of the four most populous -- the counties which include Cleveland, Dayton, and Cincinnati.

The American Civil Liberties Union has filed suit to stop the use of punch cards. The suit is pending in federal court in Akron.

Ohio had planned to use an electronic voting system, but Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell decided against that. Groups complained the electronic system produced no verifiable paper trail to ensure the integrity of the results.

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Rich Coglianese made a statement

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/state/20...

The state says it's working as fast as it can to replace punch-cards but problems with electronic voting technology have stalled the effort.

"They're claiming that the state has been denying the right to vote to African-Americans," said Rich Coglianese, an attorney defending the state. "It's our position that the state has not denied the right to vote to anybody, and the evidence will never be able to show that."
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Ohio law set up to keep poll watchers away

http://www.columbusdispatch.com/election/election-presi...

Carlo LoParo, Blackwells spokesman, said state law wont allow them into Ohio polling places during the vote, but they can watch from 100 feet away like other outside groups.

Karen Decker, project manager for Fair Election International, which is sponsoring the visitors, said Missouri law allows international observers to watch from a closer vantage inside the polling places.
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BushSpeak Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:54 PM
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15. The Diebold Ohio e-voting scam
I just posted this on another DU forum, but it's revelent to this discussion, so here goes.

There was a file on Diebold's Ohio bid on Black Box Voting, but it has disappeared since the site was hacked.

I'll probably miss some specifics, but I'll try to give you the general idea from memory.

There were around 26 Ohio counties that were supposed to be equipped with Diebold machines for this election. When California de-certified Diebold machines, the counties were given the option of not respecting the contract by the state election board. Only 5 chose to continue with Diebold.

Then an Association for the Blind filed a complaint against the remaining counties, maintaining that these counties discriminated against the blind by not providing machines favoring the handicapped. Under pressure, these counties were resigned to accepting the Diebold contract.

Then an article came out in the New York Times stating that this was not the first time that Diebold was linked to this Association for the Blind. This association had attacked a New York drug store over a Diebold ATM machine on the premises. To settle the claim Diebold installed a blind friendly ATM on the site, but also built a $1 million research center for the Blind Association.

Then the real scam began. The Association for the Blind filed numerous complaints and Diebold came to the rescue proposing to install blind friendly ATM's.

The day after the article came out, the Association for the Blind withdrew it's complaint and Ohio was saved from Diebold for at least another four years.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:00 PM
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16. 2001 when the agenda for reform was placed
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 07:01 PM by AnIndependentTexan
HEARING REPORT: Election Reform April 25, 2001

http://www.nist.gov/hearings/2001/elecref2.htm

Committee: House Administration
Members Present: Chairman Ney (R-OH); Ehlers (R-MI); Mica (R-FL); Linder (R-GA); Hoyer (RMM,
D-MD); Fattah (D-PA); and Davis (D-FL).

Witnesses: The Honorable J. Kenneth Blackwell, Ohio Secretary of State; The Honorable Sharon Priest, Arkansas Secretary of State; The Honorable Katherine Harris, Florida Secretary of State; The Honorable Rebecca Vigil-Giron, New Mexico, Secretary of State; The Honorable Ron Thornburgh, Kansas Secretary of State; The Honorable Martin R. Stephens Utah Speaker of the House; The Honorable John Adams Hurson, Majority Leader, Maryland House of Delegates; The Honorable Kenneth Mayfield, Commissioner, Dallas County, Texas; Deborah Phillips, Voter Integrity Project; Kristen Cox, National Federation of the Blind; Hilary Shelton, NAACP; and Dennis M. Duggan, American Legion.

Chairman Ney opened the hearing by stating that Congress should contribute to improving the election process and that the Committee will hold a Federal Technology Exposition to give Members of Congress, staff and the public an opportunity to examine the most advanced and cost-effective examples of voting machine technology. He said goals should include: ensure that every vote counts; clear standards for what constitutes a vote; and no vote is canceled by an illegal or fraudulent vote. He thinks it important not to federalize or nationalize the voting process.

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Secretary Blackwell said elections are state business and should remain so. Universal standards should be established to assure voters that each ballot will be counted in the same manner within each individual state. Ohio House of Representatives has passed election reform bill to codify rules and provide clear instructions to county election officials. Bill would strengthen the authority of the secretary of state to issue instructions regarding the conduct of elections and create a committee to study voting machines and funding methods. He estimates it would cost Ohioans at least $120M to replace punch card machines. Congress should provide federal funds for matching grants to states and localities to improve voting systems.
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Chairman Ney and Secretary Blackwell agreed that the general public assumes that something will be done about election reform and that while state budgets are tight, legislatures will hopefully be able to match any Federal funding. Chairman Ney and Secretary Vigil-Giron discussed New Mexicos adoption of voluntary standards for their voting machines and providing for training for workers. In answer to the Chairmans questions, Secretary Harris described her states efforts to replace the punch-card voting machines and said that uniform standards are needed but with some flexibility. Representative Hoyer discussed that the Federal government should be a partner in election reform and Secretary Priest called for the Federal Election Commission to be funded. Secretary Blackwell warned against centralizing election administration.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:16 PM
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17. AnIndependentTexan - Questions!?!?
Kucinich says that there weren't any Diebold machines in Ohio. VerifiedVoting.org indicates that a few counties (2?) used Diebold punchcard machines.

According to VerifiedVoting.org ES&S equipment is in most counties. Triad was used in Warren County and several others. Microvote is in several others.

Just about all Ohio counties used punch card machines (of the 88 only 13 used optical scan and 7 used touchscreen machines built by ES&S or Microvote).

According to Susan Truitt during the Conyers hearing today - the central tabulators in Ohio were purchased from Triad.

While Blackwell may have tried to get Diebold machines into the state he did not succeed.

Do you know anything about Blackwell and Triad?

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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:30 PM
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18. not for sure about Blackwell and Triad
I'll try checking out the history. Blackwell was pushing for Diebold and the lawsuits along with security flaws kept diebold from being all over Ohio. I'm still at the start of all my research, but one reason why I'm researching it is to know more about election reform.

What I can conclude is the paper trail was a major issue over using Diebold for e-voting. Election reform for e-voting was pushed as a attempt to get rid of punch-card machines. It was because of Blackwell's stubbornness that they were forced to scrape plans for diebold and be stuck with punch-card. The security flaws was reason for this.

This was also the reason why 3 counties were forced to use punch-card machines because the security flaw left them with not enough time to go with other plans.

I know there is some information out there about them trying to deny funds to Lucas county in order to lease machines out.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:44 PM
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19. Before I get started is this the Traid you are talking about?
I don't want to get confused and I don't want to get off on the wrong track.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/vote_fraud.html

Rapp, the founder of Triad Governmental Systems, Inc. of Xenia, Ohio, wrote the computer program that tallies the punch-card ballots in the centralized counting systems used in 41 counties in Ohio. Rapp, whose sons now manage the family run company, is a generous supporter of the Republican Party and the presidential campaign of George W. Bush.

The second largest vendor of vote-counting machines in Ohio, in terms of the number of counties served, is Election Systems & Software (ES&S), a privately owned company based in Omaha.

Together ES&S and Triad GSI count the votes in 80 out of the 88 counties in Ohio. ES&S, however, manages the elections and counts the votes in the most populous counties of the state.

There were numerous problems with voting machines in Ohio, where Bush reputedly won by some 136,000 votes. Some voters had to wait until 3 a.m. to cast their ballots, and a computer error gave Bush 3,893 extra votes in one precinct in Franklin County.

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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:55 PM
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20. Yes, this is the Triad I was talking about...
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 07:55 PM by IndyOp
and before you go too far, check out this thread on Triad that hedda_foil alerted me to <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... >

Addition: It's going to take me a while to go through the other thread... I will check back here soon.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:55 PM
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21. No Blackwell connection, but there is a 2000 Gore/Bush connection
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/vote_fraud.html


Rapp, the founder of Triad Governmental Systems, Inc. of Xenia, Ohio, wrote the computer program that tallies the punch-card ballots in the centralized counting systems used in 41 counties in Ohio. Rapp, whose sons now manage the family run company, is a generous supporter of the Republican Party and the presidential campaign of George W. Bush.

The second largest vendor of vote-counting machines in Ohio, in terms of the number of counties served, is Election Systems & Software (ES&S), a privately owned company based in Omaha.

Together ES&S and Triad GSI count the votes in 80 out of the 88 counties in Ohio. ES&S, however, manages the elections and counts the votes in the most populous counties of the state.

There were numerous problems with voting machines in Ohio, where Bush reputedly won by some 136,000 votes. Some voters had to wait until 3 a.m. to cast their ballots, and a computer error gave Bush 3,893 extra votes in one precinct in Franklin County.

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oversees Greene Countys voter registration and tabulating systems

April 10, 2003

http://www.ysnews.com/stories/2003/april/041003_voting....

Dwayne A. Rapp, vice president of TRIAD Governmental Systems Inc., the Xenia business that oversees Greene Countys voter registration and tabulating systems, said that the push-button system does not represent a flamboyant change in the way people vote. Voting should be as simple as it was in previous elections, he said.

TRIAD personnel and Board of Elections officials will be in Yellow Springs on Election Day to monitor how the voting system works. Poll managers and poll workers will receive training before the election, Garman said.

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A quote from Dwayne Rapp on a website making fun of pregnate chads in 2000

http://www.angelfire.com/wizard/linkpagemainwebsite/ele...

of Election Data Corp. "Counting those dimpled chads is definitely not right," Dwayne Rapp, vice president of Triad Governmental
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Looks like they have a list of what venders were in what place

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php...

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June 8 primary- read the full article on this one.

http://www.fairvote.org/righttovote/hargrove4.htm

The problems in Kershaw County paled compared to the labors that officials faced in Sumter County. Scott Vandyke, pastor of the East Dayton, Ohio, Church of Christ and a part-time elections assistant for Triad Governmental Systems of Xenia, Ohio, nearly half of the time had to repeat a run of computer cards because of bent ballots or tallies that didn't agree with precinct reports.

Sumter County voters cast 33,433 ballots in the 2000 general election, but only 30,671 registered a vote for president, an apparent undervote of 8.3 percent.

"I'm sure the problem is not with the cards. And, generally, people will vote correctly," said Vandyke.

Only 91.4 percent of the 7,486 Democratic primary ballots registered a vote for U.S. Senate this month, while 96.3 percent recorded a vote for the local sheriff's race and 94.6 percent registered for state auditor.
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Florida 2000 between Gore/Bush

http://www.leinsdorf.com/itsatie.htm

It Was Really A Tie In Florida and in the Nation - Voting Machine Choice Determined Winner in Florida

The reason it is taking so long to put this election to bed is that it really was a tie in Florida and the nation. The voters were presented with an unacceptable choice and, in the end, they refused to make it. They have hit the ball back into the court of the politicians, as if to say, you decide.

The number of double votes, under votes and no votes for president in Florida varied from a high of 12.4% in Gadsden County to a low of 0.24% in Seminole County.

Many explanations have been offered from the butterfly ballot arrangement in Palm Beach County to the allegation that minority voters were misled at the polls.

The truth turns out to be that the kind of voting machine used determined how many people did not vote for president.

There were 11 different voting systems in the 67 Florida Counties:

manual paper ballots (1)

TGS - Triad Government Systems, Xenia, Ohio (8)

SPS - Sequoia Pacific System, Exeter, California (2)

GES - Global Election System, McKinney, Texas (16)

F&C VM - Fidlar & Chambers, Rock Island, Illinois (2) Votematic

F&C DM - (1) Datamatic

ETN - ETNet, Inc., Little Rock, Arkansas (1)

ERC - Election Resources Corporation, Little Rock, Arkansas (11)

Optec - Election Systems & Software, Inc., Omaha, Nebraska, Optec III marksense

ES&S115 - Election Systems & Software, Inc. Omaha, Nebraska, Model 115 and/or315
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:49 PM
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22. AnIndependentTexan - any thoughts on...
the last article -- by Joshua Leinsdorf --

Of the 15 counties with highest "dropoff" (meaning overvote or undervote?) - 10 were ES&S; 3 were Triad; one was Fidlar; and one was Sequoia. So - ES&S, Triad are bad machines because there are many spoiled ballots.

Yet -- Bev Harris' look at Florida in 2000 causes one to be particularly suspicious of computer hacking in the Global Election Systems (GES) counties -- Volusia is the county in which -16,022 votes were added to Gores total at one point during election evening.

So -- what does this mean? ES&S and Triad specialize in vote fraud by means of crappy punchcard machines (and, perhaps, purposefully fraudulent programs in the readers - NC). GES specializes in vote fraud by switching votes from one candidate to the other and/or by adding some extra votes to the Republican totals and thus % of spoiled ballots appears to be low?

:eyes:


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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:54 PM
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23. I moved it to a new topic to hopefully find out
because what I get from it is the machines in 2004 are the same as in 2000 if this is true.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:51 AM
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25. Let me know where you moved the discussion...
I want to read it!

:hi:

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googly Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:58 PM
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24. Just spare me the details, just tell when Kerry will be inaugurated
and I can go back to living my life. This avalanche of tidbits are driving me to drink.
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