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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:38 PM
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Whistleblower reward used to uncover good guys and eliminate them???
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 03:05 PM by jamboi
Research has revealed that this Justice Through Music guy is the same person who spent a number of years in the Federal slammer for selling cocaine and setting off bombs in Indiana and he's the guy who claimed he sold marijuana to Dan Quayle!! Sounds like it is likely he did sell dope to Quayle since that has been confirmed by other sources. This vote scam reward group may be a Bushco operation to smoke out evidence and witnesses and destroy them when the Music guy's name comes forward. And is the "Velvet Revolution" involved in this? Here's an article that is relevant:

QUAYLE PRISONER
By James H. Rubin, Associated Press Writer
APn 10/09/93

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A federal appeals court tossed out a lawsuit by an inmate who accused prison officials of improperly muzzling his 1988 election-eve bid to publicize allegations he sold marijuana to Dan Quayle.

The U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Washington said Brett Kimberlin's claims that his rights were violated are based on insufficient evidence to warrant a trial against former Bureau of Prisons' Director J. Michael Quinlan and former Justice Department spokesman Loye Miller. The court split, 2-1, Friday with a dissenter saying the ruling is unjust. Judge Karen LeCraft Henderson, writing for the panel, said, "Kimberlin relies only on inference and weak circumstantial evidence." She was joined by Judge Stephen Williams. Both were appointed to the court by former President Reagan. In a sharply worded dissent, Judge Harry Edwards said the ruling is "unfathomable in this country under our constitutional system." "I simply cannot imagine that the judiciary of the United States will shut the doors of the courthouse and refuse to allow Kimberlin's suit to proceed for the specious reason that his complaint is based on circumstantial evidence," said Edwards, an appointee of former President Carter.

Justice Department Inspector General Richard Hankinson concluded last month that officials unfairly disciplined Kimberlin. But Hankinson said there was no "conspiracy to silence" the inmate when Quayle was running for vice president on the Republican ticket with George Bush.
Quinlan canceled a Nov. 4, 1988, prison press conference at which Kimberlin planned to make public his allegations about Quayle. Quinlan also ordered Kimberlin placed in a special detention cell that night at the Federal Correctional Institution in El Reno, Okla. On Nov. 7, the day before the election, Kimberlin was again placed in special detention because he tried to set up a telephone conference call with reporters in Washington. He again was disciplined on Dec. 22 after attempting to contact reporters. Kimberlin claimed he sold marijuana to Quayle years ago when the former vice president was a law student. Quayle has denied the allegation. The Drug Enforcement Administration concluded Kimberlin's claim was false.

Kimberlin is serving 51 years for convictions including drug conspiracy and eight Indiana bombings and has been in jail since 1980. Quinlan said he did not have any contact with Bush-Quayle campaign officials around the time of the election and said he acted to protect Kimberlin's safety. Miller said he discussed the situation with a campaign aide but denied there was any attempt by the campaign to influence events. In her opinion Friday, Henderson said there is no direct evidence Quinlan acted "for any reason other than Kimberlin's safety." But Edwards said in his dissent that Quinlan's explanation "is entirely suspect." The judge said it is highly unusual for top government officials in Washington to get involved in disciplining federal prisoners.

U.S. District Court Judge Harold Greene ruled in 1991 that Quinlan and Miller were not immune from all of the claims in Kimberlin's suit. The two officials appealed.

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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:44 PM
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1. Can you show the connection between Kimberlin, and JTM?
I went to their website, and it doesn't mention Brett Kiberlin.

http://www.jtmp.org/about.htm

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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:50 PM
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2. Just google. Its all over the place...
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NotNInch Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:58 PM
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30. " Google Brett Kimberlin "
He sure looks like one of the good guys to me . . .

Definitely looks like a white hatter who's willing to stick his neck out !

(My first post anywhere, after lurking for months - I love you guys)
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 02:00 AM
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32. Of course I want to believe that and I don't want to think he's a black
hat, but if you look through the thread he's had an "interesting" past involvement w/ selling drugs to Quale, etc. So I don't know what to make of him. Also its possible a whistleblower reward program could be entirely benign within its self and could be monitored by baddies from the outside and then the whistleblowers taken out when they step forward through no fault of the reward program itself. As you can see there are several ways this could work.
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:52 PM
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3. Wow! Good catch! Sounds Rovian too. n/t
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:55 PM
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4. Yup, absolutely. n/t
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:56 PM
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5. I think Rove et al is scared n/t
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:57 PM
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6. The freeper dogs certainly seem to have been called out to do his bidding.
n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:10 PM
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7. Nationally known entertainment attorney Jeff Cohen ....
....on the 'about us' page.

Couple of interesting links:

http://www.thegoonies.org/BB/viewtopic.php?t=1201&start...

http://www.dciff.org/seminars/speakers/speakers_cohen.h...

http://www.mwzb.com/index_big.html
click on 'entertainment' after selecting 'attorneys & agents'

cohen@mwzb.com

++++++++++++++++++++++++
Peace.

"Did Bush Know?"

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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:14 PM
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8. Not following you. Spell it out for me please. n/t
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:16 PM
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9. And Jeff Cohen is related how? n/t
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:18 PM
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10. Jeff Cohen has always fought hard for progressive values, I don't think
he's the problem here.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:18 PM
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11. If you check the 'about jtmp' link....
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 03:19 PM by understandinglife
...you will find that Jeff Cohen is one of the founders.

http://www.jtmp.org/about.htm

He may be familiar with Brett Kimberlin's background, but, if you have any concerns about Mr Kimberlin's legitimacy or the legitimacy of the reward or who may be 'really behind' jtmp, I thought I'd provide you Mr Cohen's email address to make it easy for you or anyone else to inquire.

Peace.

"Did Bush Know?"
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:20 PM
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12. Yes, even good organization can be infiltrated. Sad. n/t
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:26 PM
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13. If you check this link....
http://www.dciff.org/seminars/speakers/speakers_cohen.h...

...it appears that Mr Cohen is is listed as the executive director of the nonprofit Justice through Music project. I'll send him an email with the link to this thread and see what clarification he can provide.

Peace.

"Did Bush Know?"
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:28 PM
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14. Sounds good. n/t
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Roger_Otip Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:43 PM
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24. cohen at mwzb.com
check the whois record for jtmp.org -> http://whois.sc/jtmp.org
and see the email address of the registrant
this points to the site http://www.mwzb.com / - a site of intellectual propert attorneys.
not sure how any of that is relevant though.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:23 PM
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15. kick
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:26 PM
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:37 PM
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:48 PM
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:56 PM
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 07:25 PM
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:24 PM
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 10:29 PM
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:50 AM
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:47 PM
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:27 PM
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:20 PM
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 01:50 AM
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:37 PM
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Monkie Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:37 PM
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20. seems like he has good reasons to dislike bush??
the article says
"Justice Department Inspector General Richard Hankinson concluded last month that officials unfairly disciplined Kimberlin. But Hankinson said there was no "conspiracy to silence" the inmate when Quayle was running for vice president on the Republican ticket with George Bush"

the longer version at some other site with a nasty popup add(i cant verify this sites longer version but this seems to sum it up best from all the articles i could find)
http://liberaleagle.tripod.com/eagle19.html

"Bush's first embarrassment involved a scandal which involved vice presidential nominee Dan Quayle just prior to the November 1988 election. However, nothing surfaced until after the election. In 1992 the New York Times ran an article about a 1988 incident involving a federal prisoner by the name of Brett Kimberlin and allegations that the Bureau of Prisons had tried to silence him for political purposes. The article reported that Kimberlin made allegations that he had sold marijuana to then vice presidential candidate, Dan Quayle, just prior to the 1988 election. When the press began to pay attention to those allegations, the Bureau of Prisons took a number of actions to silence him. Approximately one month before the 1988 presidential election Brett Kimberlin, who was incarcerated in federal prison since 1979, talked to National Public Radio reporter Nina Totenberg about his allegations of selling marijuana to vice president Dan Quayle in the 1970's. Shortly thereafter, Totenberg, without disclosing Kimberlin as the source, asked the deputy press secretary of the Bush-Quayle campaign, Mark Goodin, to comment on the allegations. When Goodin declined to comment without more information on who was making the allegations, Totenberg provided a signed affidavit from Kimberlin. On November 3, 1988, five days before the presidential election, NBC News asked the prison at El Reno, Oklahoma, where Kimberlin was incarcerated, for an on-camera interview with Kimberlin. The prison offered to schedule the interview on Wednesday of the following week, its regular scheduling day for media interviews. Because that day would be after the election, NBC asked that the interview take place before the election. The prison released Kimberlin from detention the following day. He later attempted to give an interview to a group of reporters by telephone. Kimberlin was seized in his cell by six guards, handcuffed, marched to the detention unit in the cold, strip-searched and placed in a small cell. Prison officials issued the order, "No more calls for this inmate." This order has been described by El Reno officials as unusual. Kimberlin remained in administrative detention for a week until well after the election. A month later, when the press again began to pay attention to Kimberlin's allegations, the Bureau again returned him to administrative detention. The Bureau of Prisons violated prison rules in its effort to silence Kimberlin. The Bush team's goal was to keep Kimberlin's allegations out of the 1988 campaign, since it obviously would have serious consequences. The most senior officials in the Bush-Quayle campaign --Jim Baker, Lee Atwater, Fred Fielding, Stu Spencer and Joe Canzeri, as well as Quayle himself -- knew about Kimberlin's allegations and his efforts to publicize them. The House of Representatives Subcommittee on Oversight of Government Management attempted to investigate these allegations. The Justice Department denied them the right to interview key people under oath as to the facts pertaining to the cancellation of Kimberlin's press conference and his detentions by the Bureau of Prisons"
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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:40 PM
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28. Bush n Quayle Gettin' together
So what do you think these two talk about when they get together?
Exchange their dope sources?
I'll bet those two bought a lot of Oregano
Wasn't there a guy in Prison before 2000 who said he sold dope to the Bushwacker?
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BreakForNews Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:57 AM
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33. Ummmm......
Very interesting. Kick.
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