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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:06 PM
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ALERT: Madsen story strong/incomplete, WE HAVE AFFIDAVIT
Hey DUers:

Sources in contact with us have been pressing Madsen to hold the story about proposed election fraud in Florida, but he refused to do so and went with the story before we were able to vet all the angles. We have mainstream press in Washington interested in the story, and are waiting for comment from the House Judiciary Committee.

Unfortunately, Madsen's preemptive strike may destroy the credibility of the story because he does not have a good reputation with mainstream media, regardless of what you or I may think about him.

We have one affidavit but are waiting for the updated signed affidavit from Washington (which Madsen does not have). We hope to be able to present as full a story as possible by midafternoon in concert with http://bradblog.com .

Sincerely,
John Byrne

http://rawstory.com
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:12 PM
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1. May the Good Lord help us all get the truth out and reprinted by our US
media!

:-)
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:33 PM
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21. Madsen has given his info to Conyers! and the MSM is helping him w/
Edited on Mon Dec-06-04 12:33 PM by jamboi
the story.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:13 PM
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45. When you say "MSM" are you talking about Newspapers, Magazines,
Networks or Online MSM? :shrug: You don't need to give the names but just the general category if you know.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:34 PM
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23. amen n/t
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:13 PM
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2. To the contrary, the MSM are actually helping him with this story. Madsen
wrote this morning:

"There is more to do on the story --- I think this article will shake out more information on who else was in on this election fix.

wayne"
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:17 PM
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6. Maybe.
I tend to regard things with a grain of salt. I just think one should have the facts before they report on a story without rushing it and thereby potentially diluting the gravity with which it is taken.

I can't speak for his contacts, but there was some concern over the Saudi/Enron check story and the "we're going to attack Iran before the election" (which we didn't).
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:29 PM
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17. We may not have attacked BECAUSE of the Madsen article. He had no time
to wait to fully develop this story. Normally I'm sure he would. That would be a luxury that he doesn't have this time.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:06 PM
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43. the voice from the white house
Has anyone read what the "voice from the white house" has to say about the plan to attack Iran?

I don't know how credible this guy is either, but he says they were planning to attack Iran, and changed their minds.

I tried to find the site last night, and it was missing....

I will see if I can find this piece.

Ellen
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:17 PM
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48. yeah here's the link
I don't know what to make of it either

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1130.htm
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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:41 PM
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28. Yes, but Cheney and Bush WANTED to but Rove stepped in
and said "No new War in '04". He absolutely wouldn't let them do it before the election.
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noclonyofthechimp Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:13 PM
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3. Thanks for this! Keep us updated as to who will carry it.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:16 PM
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5. hi wayn good reporting
my god man this has got to get into the mainstreem press. they have got to cut their losses
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:13 PM
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4. an Affadavit for what though?
Edited on Mon Dec-06-04 12:13 PM by Faye
is this a good thing or a bad thing? i'm confused :(

(it's not unusual, I am blonde :o )
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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:17 PM
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7. NASA Contractor Hired to Write Fraudulent SW (from Madsen's article)
According to a notarized affidavit signed by Clint Curtis, while he was employed by the NASA Kennedy Space Center contractor, Yang Enterprises, Inc., during 2000, Feeney solicited him to write a program to "control the vote." At the time, Curtis was of the opinion that the program was to be used for preventing fraud in the in the 2002 election in Palm Beach County, Florida. His mind was changed, however, when the true intentions of Feeney became clear: the computer program was going to be used to suppress the Democratic vote in counties with large Democratic registrations.
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:18 PM
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8. just wondering
"he does not have a good reputation with mainstream media"

What are they saying about him ? Why is his reputation not good with the MSM?
is it because he is seeking truth? Did he burn bridges?
thanks for more info on that
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:18 PM
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9. Why doesn't Madsen have a good reputation with mainstream media?
Has he done anything to to make himself seen not credible?
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:21 PM
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12. House Dems had hoped to issue a response first
See previous: Saudi/Enron story, and "we're going to attack Iran before the election" story. I don't know too much about him personally; I do know that the sources in Washington had serious concerns and had been hoping to hold the story until Congressional Dems had a chance to issue a response -- coming from Congressmen versus coming from Wayne or Raw Story would (in my mind) have been a better place to start.
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:35 PM
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24. Thank you
I guess what your saying is it would have been better to have more ducks in row , and for others to have researched his story to verify its credibility. That makes good sense

He actually explained in a radio interview why the Iran attack did not move forward..he seems very good at explaining what he gets wrong......

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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:31 PM
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18. He breaks stories that are deep investigative reporting stories. Cajones!
Edited on Mon Dec-06-04 12:32 PM by jamboi
Which the MSM has forgotten how to do appearently. Where's the current crop of Woodward and Bernstein equivalents. Come to think of it they were never common in the MSM.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:48 PM
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33. He did a great job exposing Bush's plan to attack Iran before the election
October 20, 2004

A Bush pre-election strike on Iran 'imminent'

White House insider report "October Surprise" imminent

By Wayne Madsen

According to White House and Washington Beltway insiders, the Bush administration, worried that it could lose the presidential election to Senator John F. Kerry, has initiated plans to launch a military strike on Iran's top Islamic leadership, its nuclear reactor at Bushehr on the Persian Gulf, and key nuclear targets throughout the country, including the main underground research site at Natanz in central Iran and another in Isfahan. Targets of the planned U.S. attack reportedly include mosques in Tehran, Qom, and Isfahan known by the U.S. to headquarter Iran's top mullahs.

The Iran attack plan was reportedly drawn up after internal polling indicated that if the Bush administration launched a so-called anti-terrorist attack on Iran some two weeks before the election, Bush would be assured of a landslide win against Kerry. Reports of a pre-emptive strike on Iran come amid concerns by a number of political observers that the Bush administration would concoct an "October Surprise" to influence the outcome of the presidential election.

According to White House sources, the USS John F. Kennedy was deployed to the Arabian Sea to coordinate the attack on Iran. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld discussed the Kennedy's role in the planned attack on Iran when he visited the ship in the Arabian Sea on October 9. Rumsfeld and defense ministers of U.S. coalition partners, including those of Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Georgia, Hungary, Iraq, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Mongolia, Poland, Qatar, Romania, and Ukraine briefly discussed a very "top level" view of potential dual-track military operations in Iran and Iraq in a special "war room" set up on board the aircraft carrier. America's primary ally in Iraq, the United Kingdom, did not attend the planning session because it reportedly disagrees with a military strike on Iran. London also suspects the U.S. wants to move British troops from Basra in southern Iraq to the Baghdad area to help put down an expected surge in Sh'ia violence in Sadr City and other Sh'ia areas in central Iraq when the U.S. attacks Iran as well as clear the way for a U.S. military strike across the Iraqi-Iranian border aimed at securing the huge Iranian oil installations in Abadan. U.S. allies South Korea, Australia, Kuwait, Jordan, Italy, Netherlands, and Japan were also left out of the USS John F. Kennedy planning discussions because of their reported opposition to any strike on Iran.

In addition, Israel has been supplied by the United States with 500 "bunker buster" bombs. According to White House sources, the Israeli Air Force will attack Iran's nuclear facility at Bushehr with the U.S. bunker busters.The joint U.S.-Israeli pre-emptive military move against Iran reportedly was crafted by the same neo-conservative grouping in the Pentagon and Vice President Dick Cheney's office that engineered the invasion of Iraq.

more: http://www.lebanonwire.com/0410/04102002LW.asp

This guy seems to be really on top of things.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:14 PM
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46. I had wrong URL
Here is the page where he says that there will be a war with Iran, and the President wants it before the election.

www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1130.htm


And I cannot find any place where he addresses the fact that there wasn't an attack before the election, but he probably does somewhere.


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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:18 PM
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10. Thanks Raw Story for Help Prove Kerry Got Raw Deal n/t
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:20 PM
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11. This could be great news...
If this hits the MSM this week and Madsen has all his ducks in a a row, the lid will be blown. This will be way bigger than Woodward & Bernstein. I hope his credibility isn't destroyed by releasing this too early. I've been a little skeptical myself, but this last article is starting to make me a believer. Maybe KO will take some notice now and rethink his stance.
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forintegrity Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:21 PM
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13. who cares about the MSM ?
"because he does not have a good reputation with mainstream media"

I've lost all respect and faith in them!
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:39 PM
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27. I suppose you'd rather he get Rathered?



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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:25 PM
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14. Kick! n/t
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:25 PM
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15. Long and short of it...
From what I can tell, Madsen is pretty much on, but he doesn't have the affidavit. Bottom line is that there was hope the story could have come from Congress rather than Madsen which would have given it more weight; from here, no one knows what will happen. We also have the word of one programmer against the word of a Republican Congressman (now on the Judiciary Committee) and former running mate of Jeb Bush.
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:32 PM
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19. That's what we have right now...
Edited on Mon Dec-06-04 12:47 PM by pointsoflight
It's possible that this story will shake some additional information loose, and/or encourage others to come forward. If others take on the story, then there would be way more investigating than Madsen can do by himself.

I'm guessing that that's what Madsen has in mind.
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:38 PM
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26. excellent point pointsoflight n/t
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:48 PM
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32. It could also make some sources wary with Madsen's rush to

...air. Feeney's certainly been alerted. And that guy seems absolutely ruthless. In researching this, notice how many fires he's walked through, and he's still standing. Feeney has a lot of money and power. It wouldn't be hard for him to quash anyone's sources. It happens all the time. And that's the story of the Bush administration.

Madsen shouldn't have tipped his hand. He had the advantage.

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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:59 PM
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38. Exactly. Madsen said as much in e-mail this morning...
Madsen says:
"There is more to do on the story --- I think this article will shake out more information on who else was in on this election fix.

wayne"
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:50 PM
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34. I see your point, but also see Madsen's point about getting it out there,
Edited on Mon Dec-06-04 12:57 PM by KoKo01
because how do we know what Congress will do with it? Even our dedicated Congressmen like Conyers...What power do they have, really.

Also by Madsen getting it out it takes off some of the spin of MSM saying "House Democrats annonce yadda, yadda..." The minute "House Democrats" comes up the MSM jump on it and say Kerry is behind it all.

So...I do see reasons. If Madsen's story is full of holes, it's better for it to come down on Madsen's head than Conyers...also allows time for more info to come to light by putting all that he has out there. He may get more leads by doing this.

But, I do see the downside to that also. :shrug:
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:27 PM
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16. We're out on a limb right now....I do wished he had waited...
I like what Madsen reports, but his articles often do sound rushed and headlong...with background filler used to spackle the cracks. While some of his links sound strong and intriguing, He implies too many links that are not strong at all...or just not yet. (A couple come off like some of the weaker rounds of "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon.")

Let's just hope that other affidavit comes through.


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Hamoth Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:34 PM
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22. Implies indeed. He hypes.
He stated in his initial reports in extremely certain language that the check he had was a direct link and solid evidence.

Now he talks about the check as a rumored link?

He kinda backpedled there a lot.
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:44 PM
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30. To be fair, I think you mischaracterize his statements...
Edited on Mon Dec-06-04 12:52 PM by pointsoflight
First off, he doesn't say it's a "rumored check." He basically says that he now believes the check was a forgery and was given to him as a clue about the money trail.

Second, he didn't use "extremely certain language that he had a direct link," as you say. Here are the direct quotes about the check from previous reports.

Article 1:
"According to informed sources in Washington and Houston, the Bush campaign spent some $29 million to pay polling place operatives around the country to rig the election for Bush. The operatives were posing as Homeland Security and FBI agents but were actually technicians familiar with Diebold, Sequoia, ES&S, Triad, Unilect, and Danaher Controls voting machines. These technicians reportedly hacked the systems to skew the results in favor of Bush."

Article 2:
"This reporter has obtained a copy of a bank check for $29,600,000 that was allegedly sent to cover the cost of the Texas-based vote rigging operation. The check is dated October 22, 2004, and was made payable to "Five Star Investment Ltd.," a trust said to have long connections to Saudi-funded operations in Texas and around the world. The payer is identified as "Equity Financial Trust," a Houston-based "brass plate" and post office box entity tied to offshore Cook Islands "folding tent" accounts used to hide away profits amassed by the former Enron as well as Saudi financiers."

Article 3:
"Kevin Russell, a Nassau, Bahamas-based attorney representing Five Star Investments, Ltd., which maintains an office in Nassau and is the corporate entity that received a bank check for $29.6 million that was allegedly associated with paying vote rigging technicians, claims the check has not yet been cleared for payment."
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Hamoth Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:50 PM
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35. The context adds
Context added a whole lot of weight there...Still reads fairly certain to me. I dunno. Smells funny, and story is too good to be true. I'm cynical...
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:55 PM
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36. He clearly didn't know what he had at first...
...and a legitimate beef that you can have with him is that he seems to report information quickly before he's nailed everything down. His reports are more like works in progress.

At the same time, this issue is very time sensitive, and I can see the preference to get an incomplete report out there now, rather than a complete one months from now.
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Hamoth Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:03 PM
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41. Allright...
I'll wait and see.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:37 PM
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25. Lots more on the way. Story continues to break!!! n/t
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:45 PM
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31. Way To Go Jamboi
I'm so irritated with the context of the original message as it couldn't be more off the mark in my opinion. It is obvious Madsen is doing everything he needs to and has sensitive timelines, and I am 100% on his side how he's handling this. He is one of our best chances right now. I will say though you, Jamboi, have earned my respect through all of this as the key 'mediator', and I will not Trust or pay attention to ANYBODY else trying to link themselves somehow to Madsen or act like an authority on it other then YOU.

Keep up the great work Jamboi, you are doing DU an amazing service.

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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:59 PM
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52. Bravo! Waiting for the Encore !
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Karenca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:32 PM
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20. nt
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:42 PM
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29. Link to the new story
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/120604Mads...

I would love this story to be true, though Madsen clearly puts out a lot of stuff that isn't very reputable.

But he is naming names here and Tom Feeney seems to be the guy who is behind the vote-rigging program.

I frankly don't understand how he could be making all this stuff up. There's got to be something big here.
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ccarter84 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:56 PM
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37. Yeah, let us hope that among all the
Edited on Mon Dec-06-04 01:00 PM by ccarter84
pages of articles there is really some substance here, otherwise its just gonna be more ammo against us, the (not FReeper article) my bad, it was ( http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1204/12... and cited in another thread)might be the first signs of the right wing offensive against voter fraud allegations.
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trudyco Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:02 PM
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40. Well I hope the MSM help out behind the scenes
If they are in lockdown. I wonder what Tom Brokaw and Dan Rather are doing now. I don't know about Brokaw but once upon a time Rather did something akin to real journalism.

Then again, the Wolfowitz report was awful.
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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:12 PM
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44. I'll just say that although I have the same misgivings
about Madsen cited by others here, that the Feeney link, from what I can see, strikes me as incredibly plausible. The guy is surely capable of it; in fact, he's exactly the kind of suspect we are looking for. I was particularly impressed by Feeney's own attempt to retaliate against Cliff Curtis in the newspaper editorial someone posted. Its quite clear that there is *a lot* of smoke here.
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:22 PM
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56. Yep, David Duke I mean Feeney certainly fits the description of someone...
Edited on Mon Dec-06-04 02:23 PM by Pepper32
capable of doing this...
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:59 PM
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39. UPDATE: Scanning affidavit now
Will have pdf file/ piece posted shortly.
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:03 PM
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42. Let it be so....
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mdb Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:17 PM
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47. I think if the law were to get involved this could break wide open. n/t
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hijinx87 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:19 PM
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49. these petty jealousies about who gets the credit . . . .
have progressed beyond being merely unproductive. they are now becoming more important to the protagonists than the actual story.


this will be our undoing.

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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:54 PM
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50. any more news on this? nt
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:58 PM
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51. I'm worried---
If the story is true and it is not currently being investigated by law enforcement, the chances of finding real proof when such an investigation is started will be diminished. I can hear the shredders as we speak. I'm afraid they will murder, lie and destroy anything that will actually implicate the Bush Dynasty. Why would he let all this loose and give them time to prepare?
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:50 PM
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59. He didn't just "let this all loose" he got arrogant after his bought...
..."mandate" and started purging the CIA and anyone else that would not go along with the KING. The CIA are just giving * a little taste of his own medicine. And he can't do much about the evidence that is coming out at this point, it's having a snowball effect. He can of course try to keep the Media on lock down, create fake terror threats, throw fake documents in the mix (think Dan Rathers) and try to accuse dems of voter fraud etc.

However, I feel none of these attempts will work and they will become very desperate and start taking drastic measures to keep the Chimp in office. I don't want to even think about what else they are capable of doing, considering 9-11 and two stolen elections.






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mdb Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:13 PM
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62. Clint Curtis said he developed the voting program...
and eventually handed off his prototype to Feeney. I would think Curtis has a copy of this program. And perhaps Feeney may also have evidence of this.
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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:12 PM
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53. Wow, the sandbox is getting full, please play together nicely.
Everyone is working very hard and everyone deserves an immense amount of credit for keeping this story alive and growing! We just need to remember what are collective goal is- Unseat Bush. We cannot have infighting- we must be united. This is how the Republicans are so successful, they all work toward the common goal. Did Madsen know that you were getting the second affidavit?
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nostalgicaboutmyfutr Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:15 PM
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54. Affidavit link
Here is a link to the PDF of the affidavit...:

http://www.rawstory.com/images/pdfs/CC_Affidavit_120604...
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ccarter84 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:29 PM
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57. sweeeeeeet
what do we do with it? :)
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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:19 PM
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55. Here is bradblog's copy of the affidavit
http://www.rawstory.com/images/pdfs/CC_Affidavit_120604...

I highly recommend reading this. It sounds more credible than anything I've read so far. It will be fascinating to see how Conyers and others react to this. If this is legit, the case has been cracked.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:04 PM
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61. Just a question about the last page.....
Just looking at the last page it looks like a scanned page. But I cannot make that out on the other pages. Any ideas on how this happened?
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stirringstill Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:30 PM
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58. Work in Progress
I do not fault having Madsen release the story now. It would be nice to have Dem congressmen on board and to have MSM support out the gate. But clearly there are gaps in the story that must be filled before it reaches that point. Putting the story out there now gives Madsen a chance to "shake the tree" and fill gaps and to correct holes. He is dealing with a very slippery subject where deception can be a clue or disinformation. Most MSM reporters are not brave enough to face such challenges. People should not expect him to be 100% correct or outright dismiss if he gets something wrong. I think his piece is honest--his investigation is a work in progress. If the soul of his investigation has merit, it has merit.
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phantomvotes Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:55 PM
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60. This is time for the Wayne and Curtis story
Regardless of any speculation as to what wayne has shown us verses all evidence Wayne and Curtis have and yet to be discoverd, this story should come out now in timing with Congreesman Conyers hearing. And before anyone else ends dead.

************* VOTERS UNITE! *************
On December 8, Congressman Conyers will hold a hearing on allegations of fraud and irregularities in Ohio. See the letter (http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohblackwellfol... )

Please encourage everyone you know to take these actions:

1) Contact C-SPAN by email (events@c-span.org ) or phone and ask them to televise this hearing. Main Number: (202) 737-3220; Viewer Services: (765) 464-3080 (for programming questions)

2) Monday morning, call the U.S. capitol switchboard (1-800-839-5276), ask for your Representative, and request that they attend this hearing. Then do the same for each of your Senators.
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