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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:18 PM
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An alternative to blackboxvoting.org
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 06:19 PM by LoZoccolo
http://www.verifiedvoting.org

I haven't surfed around it at all, but it looks pretty well laid-out.

Then there's always news stories on http://www.blackboxvoting.com

Post any other resources you know of here.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:20 PM
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1. A good site.
I prefer 'addition' rather than 'alternative'.
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floridadem30 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:24 PM
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3. me too
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:21 PM
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2. Their great but their not really quite the same as BBV. Doubt they'll be
bringing any lawsuits anytime soon for instance. They're collecting data that everyone else is working off of. Say, there are now about 4 or 5 threads on this exact same subject (ie. alt to BBV). Could we focus it in one thread?
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:36 PM
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Summary site of documentation on voter suppression, irregularities
Summary site with documentation on voter suppression, glitches, irregularities, and fraud in Swing states:

Ohio www.flcv.com/ohiov04.html

Florida www.flcv.com/flavi04.html

Swing States www.flcv.com/votefrau.html
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:30 PM
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4. You don't need an alternative to blackboxvoting.org
Someone is trying to create a personality allegation to discredit her work. There is not a thing disreputable about her work.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:34 PM
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5. You know, uh...we've discussed...uh...
:boring:
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:36 PM
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7. Really? Who?
Do tell.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:52 PM
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11. Why did she get booted off the DU?
SHE THREATENS PEOPLE who try to help her with lawsuits, not just election officials.

If SHE represents herself as the answer and then threatens everyone she is not a viable candidate to represent the issue.

It's just that simple.

And some people just sit and attack ANYONE else that offers voter fraud proof as we do in our film.. because THEY are NOT Bev Harris.

That's just wrong, everyone HERE is working on this subject and any one of them would make a great spokesperson - how can you disavow ALL the hard work by so many?

Allegations? They are Facts and cannot be denied. sorry but the truth is just that, the truth.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:36 PM
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6. A good place to do state/local chats (link)
Whether you're a BBV fan or less than enthused about them, you
have to admit their discussion forums are not very usable.

Check out http://www.ballotintegrity.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi

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Roger_Otip Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:40 PM
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8. here's a BlackBoxVoting wiki page
http://www.legjoints.com/BlackBoxVoting/

edit it and add your own content.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:44 PM
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9. We have a movie called "Electile Dysfunction" at Buzzflash.com
Our Site - Takebackthemedia.com has created a film (DVD) about electronic voting called "Electile Dysfunction" - now a Premium at Buzzflash.com

http://www.buzzflash.com/premiums/04/11/pre04073.html and we would be honored if folks looked at our Press Releases there and maybe buy our film (DVD)

You'll find all the information about our work and the film at that web address.

BlackBoxVoting.org's Bev Harris isn't the only one of the entire electronic voting investigation movement working on this, our movie took over a year in the making.

Plenty of links about the Movie at Buzzflash.

A Little Bit about US:

Takebackthemedia.com received 100 million hits in it's first year, and we were one of 14 Finalists out of over 1600 entries in MoveOn.org's "Bush in 30 Seconds" contest not long ago.

Our entry - ARMY OF ONE (a non partisan look at Bush's treatment of the troops and veterans) was not the winner but was shown the very next night nationwide when I was interviewed on the Joe Scarborough show on MSNBC. (My second time on his show - I have been on the O'Reilly show, and Lou Dobbs on CNN as well)

Joe Scarborough loved our ad supporting the troops and was very cordial (I was shocked). The very same ad was shown 3000 times on cable television in New Hampshire during the primaries as well.

You can view my interview with him on MSNBC(which includes our MoveOn entry) at this URL: http://66.230.230.110/radio/sym-1-13.rm

(It's a Realmedia file and will play even if it appears to give an error as RealMedia is a wonky program - keep clicking)

I've created many NEW "monty pythonish" animations to add to a solid mix of the incredible and the very credible as electronic voting is a really dry subject and we feel it's important to entertain while educating.

Here is a link to one of the more zany works included: http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/12/con04525.html and with more info on the DVD.


The people we interviewed include: Theresa LePore, and her sidekick, Karen
Jerome Gray, Alabama Democratic Conference
Reverand Tommy Waites
Former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman (The template for voter theft was created here - 6500 voted REVERSED in the dark of night, with poll workers, media, etc Barred from the courthouse)
Congressman Robert Wexler, Florida
Former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, Georgia
Senator Barbara Boxer
Kevin Shelley, California Secretary of State
Larry Flynt
Greg Palast, Investigative Journalist, BBC and UK Guardian
William Rivers Pitt, Truthout.org and Book Author
Lida Rodriguez-Taseff, Chair, Miami-Dade Election Reform Coalition
Courtenay Strickland, ACLU Florida, Voting Rights Project Director
Jim Hightower
Dr. Aviel Rubin, Johns Hopkins University, Technical Director, Information Security Institute
Dr. David Dill, Professor of Computer Science and Electrical Engineering, Stanford University
Adam Putnam, Congressman (FL)
Jim Adler, CEO, Vote Here Inc.
Danny Schechter, MediaChannel.org
Don Waller, Take Back The Media
Ian Williams, The Nation Magazine
Owner and Publisher, The Nation Magazine
Janeane Garofalo, Air America Radio, Actress, Comedienne
Congressman Clay,as well as other electronic voting professionals, academics, journalists, and just plain folks.

But our film covers more than just electronic voting.

We also discuss the problem with voting rights in America, like the inherent racism in the distribution of voting machines.

We also show the live harassment of voters, trickery, the Media changing exit poll information on the fly, etc - all documented and vetted.

No tin foil, only friendly stunts.

Our film ends with a call to action and we invite everyone to join us in petitioning our representatives in Washington for a Constitutional Amendment enforcing a Federal Right to vote, and have votes counted - much like Jesse Jackson mentioned on one of Keith Olbermann's recent shows.

Please have a look, and help support us - we're just trying to get the word out, help Buzzflash, and make some of our money back.

I'm pretty sure you won't be disapointed with our work, the animations alone make it kick, they are a lot of fun.. or so I've been told.
We haven't started our media blitz as yet, but I think I'll make a pretty good spokesman - I've enjoyed going head to head with the media - you present them with facts and they fold up like lawn chairs.
Like David Allen of Blackboxvoting.COM said - be Polite, but annoy the hell out of them :)

I want to thank each and every one of you for all the inspiration you've been to me - when I went on TV you were all there with advice - you've all been at the forefront of every true progressive advance and you should be proud of yourselves.

All the best,

Symbolman
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:47 PM
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10. These people are excellent
I interviewed Dill, Mercuri and Simons a couple of summers ago:

http://truthout.org/docs_03/102003A.shtml

They know their stuff.
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