OH vote difference now 96,188

[Her Blondness]

...with 98.1% reporting, according to my calculator.


Now I'm editing my original post:

Now there's 100% reporting, and the difference is 126,925!

WHAT THE FUCK??????!!!!!!!

HOW DID TWO PERCENT CHANGE THE VOTE THAT MUCH????

[meganmonkey]

1. Wow!!!

That's not a whole lotta votes.

Is that the official tally?

[ccarter84]

2. now that...would be totally surmountable (word?)

[jamboi]

21. Her Blondness -- where are the numbers from ? Link? n/t

[Her Blondness]

25. Ohio State Dept. site, but check my updated post

http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/RaceDetail.aspx?race=PP

[mostly_lurking]

3. Yes, but...

The last three counties (Clark, Henry, and Miami) yet to update are all solidly Republican. They will give Bush another 22K vote advantage.

[ccarter84]

6. watch them mysteriously get 'doublecounted'

oops 44k vote bump (rolls eyes)

[politicasista]

7. Bush always wins....

His supporters never know what it's like to cry all night long, or be depressed after a loss. I don't understand how so many people want Smirky back in office. It's unfortunate cause Kerry spent a lot of time in Ohio.

[theboss]

5. It's not?!?!?

Unless you have three Steubenvilles hidden away somewhere, I would say it's a lot.

[RaulVB]

4. I've posted something similar

And some posters are blasting those numbers you wrote.

[tbuddha]

8. WOOHOOO!!!!

[MrUnderhill]

9. Pardon me, but.... "woohooo!" ???

Is it a GOOD thing to only lose by 100k?

I would think "woohoo" would be reserved for victories?

[TruthIsAll]

15. Remember what Palast said: they stole it in Back of the Bus.

Spoiled minority punched cards and disenfranchisement.
They won't show up in a recount.

But that's where this will all lead.

Kerry won Ohio. He won Florida.
This will be proven. Regardless of recounts.

[MrUnderhill]

37. You have an admirable faith.

I don't share it. Though, like Santa Clause, I desperately would like to. :-)

The "spoiled minority punch cards" is the same argument we made prior to the provisionals. We just "knew" that all those provisionals were black Democrats who had been kept from voting correctly... and that they would break heavily (HEAVILY) for Kerry. In the end it looks like they were about 5% more likely to be Kerry votes than other ballots from the same precincts. That faith that 90% of the ballots would be valid and they would break 80%+ for Kerry was simply untrue.

That's comforting to me in a small way. I happen not to like the unspoken assumption behind your argument (that minorities are stupid/gullible).

Based on the provisional statistics I'd estimate that of the 93,000 spoiled ballots there are fewer than 5,000 net Kerry votes to be gleaned.

[goclark]

47. That is not what he is saying at all

TIA is not giving an "unspoken assumption," many have said that in the Minority Areas it is far more challenging to VOTE.

In my minority mind, I see it as lack of good equipment and trained poll workers and "fixing" the numbers. FRAUD is the word I am looking for, plain and simple FIXING it.

I worked the polls in a exclusive area of town. We had poll workers, trained,falling all over themselves, lines moved quickly,PTA at the school had a lovely bake sale right at the door. Parking was blocked off by the city just for voters, within a four block radius.

I talked to some of my friends who worked the polls in the Minority areas and everything was breaking down, long lines,poll workers that were new to the job,many seniors that had to walk to get there,many with health issues, like diabetes, that affects the eyes so they can't half see to vote!

That is not " stupid and gullible."

They were there, they KNEW who they wanted to vote for and they knew the issues. That funny little machine just wouldn't work!

If anything the term "stupid and gullible" should be applied to many on the Right who think GWB is their Lord and Savior! Now that group is stupid!

[righteous1]

10. Not to Pee on anyones parade

but there are 3 counties yet to report Miami, Henry and Clarke which hold a 21,500 vote advantage for Bush. The final vote advantage for Bush will be 118,500.

[bemis12]

11. The SOS

just removed the Athens totals, which favored Kerry by 9,000. What's up with that???

[righteous1]

12. No clue, watch it and let us know

[fliesincircles]

13. Athens voted against Issue 1

The gay marriage ammendment so God has struck them from the earth.

No, really, I dont think the Athens #s were correct. They were the same as 11/02. Needed to be posted correctly would be my guess.

[Blue in the face]

16. LMAO

Athens voted against Issue 1,he gay marriage amendment, so God has struck them from the earth.

You never see a good smoting anymore.

[fliesincircles]

20. Smotergate 2004

[Up2Late]

44. Removed Athens?

Where did you see that?

[KatieB]

24. Athens County is missing! It was posted and now is gone.

They posted Athens COunty earlier and now it's missing from the count. This is what it was on november 15:
Athens County
Kerry - 17,369
Bush - 9,912
Badnarik - 97
Peroutka - 87

City of Athens
Kerry - 6,621
Bush - 2,607

[YellowDoginthehouse]

14. Does OHio have a reflexive recount

what i mean by that is: at what difference in vote count do they automatically flip over into recount?

[Wordie]

18. If I recall, the margin has to be .5% for the automatic recount to kick in

[righteous1]

19. that is for local elections

It is .25% for statewide elections. ~15,000 votes in this case

[Wordie]

38. You are right about it being .25%. Although, it doesn't mention national

elections, just county, municipal, and district elections (.5%) and statewide ones (.25%)
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/procedures_recount01.html

Here is what it says, and I am assuming that the provisions for a national election are the same as a statewide:
<snip>
If the margin of victory of the nominee, candidate, or issue is less than one-half of one percent of the vote, section 3515.011 of the Revised Code triggers an automatic recount in all county, municipal, and district elections. An even slimmer margin —one-fourth of one percent—triggers an automatic recount in a statewide election.<unsnip>

[bushisanidiot]

17. 63% seems to be AWOL's lucky percentage number.

he "won" a number of counties with this percentage. hmm.. what a coincidence!

(Adams)
Bush 63.78%
Kerry 35.67%

(Brown)
Bush 63.58%
Kerry 35.89%

(Crawford)
Bush 63.69%
Kerry 35.65%

(Fairfield)
Bush 62.92%
Kerry2 36.51%

(Fayette)
Bush 62.73%
Kerry 36.87%

(Hardin)
Bush 63.03%
Kerry 36.53%

(Knox )
Bush 63.11%
Kerry 36.31%

(Madison)
Bush 63.92%
Kerry 35.64%

(Morrow)
Bush 64.15%
Kerry 35.37%

(Paulding )
Bush 62.81%
Kerry 36.54%

[bemis12]

22. Well he won

62 counties? So he pretty much had to be over 50% to win. It wasn't likely that he'd get over 80%, so all of the 62 counties had to fall between 50 and 80%. I don't think there's anything to be had there.

[bushisanidiot]

36. Just looking for consistencies in the numbers.. a sure sign of fraud.

and the 63% pretty much jumped off the page at me as an obvious consistency.

[goclark]

46. 63 jumped all over the page for me ,"compelling" number

why not 62, 61,66???

[fliesincircles]

23. Fibonacci Ratio

[lizzieforkerry]

26. Explain please

[Straight Shooter]

29. Fibonacci Numbers and the Golden Section

"... the mathematician Fibonacci investigated the problem of how fast rabbits could breed under ideal circumstances."

LOL. http://www.mcs.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/R.Knott/Fibonacci/fib.html

How ironic.

[Rhapsody in Blue]

30. oh. my. god.

you may have just hit the nail on the head.... (IMO)

fibonacci numbers are the sequence 0, 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55, 88, etc (add the last two to get the next)

look at what the ratio is when you divide any one number into the next one...

[Rhapsody in Blue]

28. yes!! so I'm not the only who's seeing that

I was struck by the number of counties that had B* at 63-67%, right around the 2/3 range, and in many counties - it's possible that it's just chance, but shouldn't it be more varied than that? :shrug:

[tonyblair]

40. kerry counties?

were they also within this ratio (reversed, obviously)?

[bushisanidiot]

43. No. His numbers were all over the place which makes sense.

it's odd to me that so many different counties had virtually identical percentages of repukes voting. i'd like to know if the voter registration numbers for those counties match up with the vote total percentages.

[rainbow4321]

41. 18,181 was " the number" in 2002 for repuke Texans

Yeah, they seem to have a history "lucky numbers" in their vote stealing...

http://blog.democrats.com/node/886


In 2002 we had 5 Republicans candidates winning the elections by the miracle number of 18,181!!! Who won by 18181 votes in 2002 election?


DANNY SCHEEL (Texas): 18,181 votes (Comol County)
CARTER CASTEEL (Texas): 18,181 votes (Comol Country)
JEFF WENTWORTH (Texas): 18,181 votes (Comol County)
CANDICE MILLER (Michigan): 18,181 Votes (Lapeer County)
MICHAEL SMIGIEL (Maryland): 18,181 Votes (St. Anne's)
All five won and all five Republicans.
<snip>

And in 2004 <Ohio>

* The sum of the wards and the reported total for the municipality DIFFERS BY THE SAME AMOUT IN MULTIPLE MUNICIPALITIES. That is to say, different towns have the exact same number of "extra" votes. Examples:
Bedford
registered voters: 9942
votes cast - municipality: 14465 (145% turnout)
votes cast - (sum of wards): 5912 (59% turnout)
difference between ward and municipality: 8553
Warrensville Heights
registered voters: 10562
votes cast - municipality: 15039 (142% turnout)
votes cast - (sum of wards): 6486 (61% turnout)
difference between ward and municipality: 8553

<snip>

[tonyblair]

42. OMG again!

34/55 = 0.618181818

[Her Blondness]

27. WHAT THE FUCK????!!!!!

Now there's 100% reporting, and the difference is 126,925!

WHAT THE FUCK??????!!!!!!!

HOW DID TWO PERCENT CHANGE THE VOTE THAT MUCH????

[righteous1]

31. Folks, I have been trying to

tell you, these results were in 3 hours ago, they are just going on the SOS site now but the final provisional tally thread has had the totals all morning

[sabra]

32. Wasn't Kerry's Net Gain Higher?

After the prov count?

[righteous1]

33. Well right now

they are actually showing Bush with 8000+ more votes than the final tally I have posted but I believe that will right itself and end up at the 118,500 margin

[mostly_lurking]

35. You are correct (once AThens county is fixed) n/t

[mostly_lurking]

34. Look at Athens county

It's numbers are "zero" although the precincts in say 100%. Kerry won Athens by around 9000 votes, so the numbers will settle back to 188K once the numbers are restored.

[jfern]

39. Link?

[Red State Blues]

45. Bizarre Numbers n/t