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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 05:46 PM
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my final two sense on the "elitists" of the TDP.
Edited on Thu Aug-31-06 05:50 PM by johncoby2
This is one hell of a time to piss on the campfire folks.

Right now we need to get on the phone and start calling for our candidates, or get out in the hot sun and block walk, or put up signs. I am doing all of this and hoping my family remains supportive.

If anyone wants to complain about the TDP do it after 7:00PM on Nov 7.

With just 68 days left, it is just a tad bit late to be complaining about party organization.

And if you want to argue about this some more, pick up the phone and call for a candidate instead.

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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 05:53 PM
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1. Was that two cents John?
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 05:54 PM
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2. That makes more sense
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 05:58 PM
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3. Did you ever notice that when ever we start to stand up to the Elitists
we hear "Now is not the time, we must all work together".
But when we work together
we hear "Don't bother supporting candidates in races we decided we can not win"?
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 06:09 PM
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4. And yes, one can do both.
I am calling (TrueBlue, of course), walking (at least my Precinct), signs, organizing events, etc. However, it is also very important not to lie down when I have a responsibility as Precinct Chair to make the Party the best it can be, all year long. It is important, and many even get turned off by all the elitist shenanigans that can go on.

Reminds me that Van Os probably is the most eloquent on this topic. Let's get him in there and things are much more likely to be better. Still, we cannot simply let things go until Nov 8. Standing up means standing up, sometimes right smack in the way of "progress" and "results." However, that is what comes of responsibility and concomitant action.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 06:15 PM
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5. DVO is one of the races the Elitists want us to turn our backs on
Every one who reads this should visit
< http://dvowhistlestop.blogspot.com/>
and whatever you donate make the cents be .61 so they know where It came from.
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:51 PM
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8. No one ever told me to turn my back on David.
And I dont intend to. Maybe I missed that announcement.

But I have enough common sense to know who to support and who not to. I dont have enough money or time to go around. I HAVE to pick and choose.

Maybe the money bags on this list need a list of candidates that I dont have time or money to give to. So you can work their campaigns and donate money to.

Then everyone would be happy!
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muse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 11:36 PM
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10. Well, here is who I am focusing my time and money on
You have an excellent idea, John. I'm taking care of the following, so others can pick and choose from the plethora of good Democratic candidates out there who need help:

Nick Lampson, Nick Lampson, Nick Lampson
Chris Bell
Sherrie Matula
Albert Hollan
Veronica Torres
Neeta Sane
Rudy Velasquez
Farhan Shamsi

That's it.

Oh, did I mention Nick Lampson?

Oh, wait, I have a soft spot for Shane Sklar. I dontated to his campaign recently.

For real, I'm done now.
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:48 PM
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7. No , just a pun on words.
It really wasn't even worth two cents either.
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muse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 07:02 PM
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6. There are some very livid SDEC members
who have been reading the posts here and most definitely feel that the Austin meeting and lunch were totally mischaracterized.

The consensus of the three I know of is that the time is too short to do anything but to get to work NOW and get elected on Nov. 7.
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-31-06 09:56 PM
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9. Amen.
I remember when Maxey was pissed and sent out that email critisizing the "back room" deals. And it pissed off the SDEC members. But that got ironed out and there was a great election.

Many people on this board yelled and screamed about Maxey being one of the elitist. Well now, you have Boyd. And now he is an elitist.

Its like someone running to be a politician saying "I am not a politician". Well why the *uck are you running then?

Anyone want to put up signs?
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WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 08:00 AM
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11. I think it's a question of who in the party decides what races
are winnable and how those decisions are arrived at.

When races like DVO's and Sherrie Matula's are declared unwinnable, one has to question the process and outcome.
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:07 AM
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12. Leave Sherrie out of this stupidity please.
Sherrie hasn't asked for help from the party. We recruited her. We are working for her. We are raising money for her. We are on the phone for her. We have signs out for her. We are arranging debates.

And she is working her butt off getting donations and help from other organizations.

We are doing this without the party because SHE hasn't asked the party for help.

Whether the party thinks her races is winnable or not, is irrelevant to us. We are not looking for handouts from them.


And can someone pass me the memo that lists the races that are not winable? I must have missed that email.
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WestHoustonDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 10:45 AM
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13. I was just using Sherrie's race as a perfect example of a
winnable race that the TDP has written off. It's my understanding that that's what came out of the SDEC meeting. Maybe someone else can confirm that as I am tied up today taking care of my parents and have my hands full.

As far as not asking for the party's help, that's fine. But there is an intangible that affects candidates when the state party writes their races off as unwinnable. That is the effect it has on potential donors - it discourages them from contributing.

DVO has seen this first hand and that is where his frustration comes from.
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Smarty Pants Liberal Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 11:06 AM
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14. Couldn't agree with you more, John
Won't be long and say what's REALLY on my mind but if the people who sit behind their screens and complain about the Party would spend the same amount of time setting up a mail merge letter to everyone they know about the candidates they support and soliciting donations in the letter then the problem would be solved. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOO (Steve Martin tone of voice), they just can't get enough of throwing sh*t at the Party to see what sticks. If one has ever attended an SDEC or CEC meeting they might have an idea of how much money the TDP or their County Party really has. Now get thee from behind your stinkin' monitors and get out there and kick some ass!
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muse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 12:35 PM
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15. Good for you, SPL!
Unfortunately, this has grown beyond DU. A very active post went up on Daily Kos about how very awful our TX party is. That's like airing dirty laundry that doesn't need to be washed. That's just NOT helpful for our candidates, IMHO.

I'm making phone calls to DDDs in my precinct right now! Good people.
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Smarty Pants Liberal Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 05:31 PM
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17. And what a waste of time the Daily Kos post is
I only skimmed b/c if I'd read every comment I'd still be reading.

A peer spent a very long time composing an e-mail slapping me for my point of view on the TDW Yahoo group while I was out registering voters.

Sheesh! Now I'm going to buy a table for our mixer so that we can make some recordings of David Mitcham's Paper Trail song for free distribution on iTunes. Wonder how much more time my friend will waste frittering around on this topic when she could be helping candidates instead.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 04:39 PM
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16. Test
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