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Demrock6 Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:21 PM
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Minnesota Democrats exposed in trouble?
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 03:22 PM by Demrock6
www.minnesotademocrstsexposed

MDE used a pic from Inside Minnesota Politics website. Inside Minnesota cried foul and is contacting them for copyright infringement. In theory to 'out' who MDE really is.

Didn't MDE 'out' someone at the DU here? Something with Dodgers air show pics? Including putting your name and business phone number up?


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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 05:09 PM
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1. That was quick...
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 05:11 PM by Oreo
they're already linking to your post. :hi: MDE!

MDEExposed!

Your link is misspelled BTW

Here's the weasel's plea:
A MESSAGE FROM MDE: I NEED YOUR HELP
I need your help. My right to blog anonymously is being challenged through legal maneuvering by Inside Minnesota Politics.

Today, representatives from Inside Minnesota Politics contacted Domains by Proxy to again request that my contact information be provided so I can be sued for copyright infringement.

I thought this matter had been resolved when I removed the picture in question. But the DFLers behind Inside Minnesota Politics have decided to continue pursuing their lawsuit.

This is not about my use of a picture that I properly sourced, but rather it's about Democrats tired of being exposed on Minnesota Democrats Exposed.

Through a frivolous lawsuit, Democrats are trying to force Domains by Proxy to reveal my identity. Democrats who can't challenge my fact-based message are now resorting to lawsuits to end my right to blog anonymously.

So this is where I ask for your help.

1. Tomorrow I will try and establish an anonymous legal defense fund. If I can establish a defense fund, I would ask that you provide a contribution link on your website.

2. If I can't establish a legal defense fund without revealing my identity, then I may ask for pro bono help from a lawyer.

3. Blog on this subject. Blog to protect my right to remain anonymous. Blog to protect the rights of all of the other bloggers who blog anonymously.

I am not going down without one hell of a fight. I will fight this lawsuit with all of my available (and unavailable) resources.

But, the future of Minnesota Democrats Exposed is being challenged and I need your help. Please stay tuned to Minnesota Democrats Exposed for legal developments.
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 05:14 PM
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2. Here's the domain info
Start digging people! This wouldn't be the first time DUers broke something like this
:hi: MDE

Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com )
Domain Name: MINNESOTADEMOCRATSEXPOSED.COM
Created on: 22-Feb-05
Expires on: 22-Feb-07
Last Updated on: 22-Feb-05

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration MINNESOTADEMOCRATSEXPOSED.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration MINNESOTADEMOCRATSEXPOSED.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599

Domain servers in listed order:
WSC1.JOMAX.NET
WSC2.JOMAX.NET


Registry Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 05:16 PM
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3. More info
MINNESOTADEMOCRATSEXPOSED.COM

minnesotademocratsexposed.com
Image updated 2005-09-13

Website Title: Minnesota Democrats Exposed
Response Code: 206
SSL Cert: secure12.websitecomplete.com expires in 104 days
Alexa Trend/Rank: The lower the rank the better. 1,099,857 (1 Month) 2,148,088 (3 Month)
Website Status: Active
Reverse IP: Web server hosts 1972 websites (reverse ip tool requires free login)
Server Type: Microsoft-IIS/6.0
IP Address: 64.202.167.208 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: - Arizona - Scottsdale - Go Daddy Software Inc
Blacklist Status: Clear
Whois History: 15 records stored
Oldest: 2005-02-27
Newest: 2005-11-23
Record Type: Domain Name
Monitor: Monitor or Backorder
Wildcard search: 'minnesotademocratsexposed' or 'minnesota democrats exposed' in all domains.
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X <5 available domains>
Name Server: WSC1.JOMAX.NET WSC2.JOMAX.NET
ICANN Registrar: GO DADDY SOFTWARE, INC.
Created: 22-feb-2005
Expires: 22-feb-2007
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: MINNESOTADEMOCRATSEXPOSED.COM
Created on: 22-Feb-05
Expires on: 22-Feb-07
Last Updated on: 22-Feb-05

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599

Domain servers in listed order:
WSC1.JOMAX.NET
WSC2.JOMAX.NET
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Minnesota Raindog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 12:32 AM
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4. It's been reported that MDE is Michael Brodkorb...
Edited on Thu Nov-24-05 12:57 AM by Minnesota Raindog
...who has a long history as a GOP party hack. Don't know if that's ever been confirmed or if MDE has denied that. More here:

http://www.dflblog.com/2005/10/reluctantly-exposing-min...
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mndfl Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 08:06 AM
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5. MDE needs to explain...
...how exposing his identity equates to "silencing" him.

There are millions of blogs by writers who are not afriad of saying who they are.

MDE entered the political arena voluntarily, writes a Republican attack blog voluntarily, has trumpeted his right to "expose" his political opponents.

why does he believe he is immune to the same treatment...to being exposed?

he has every right to his opinion and every right to write about his opinion.

but where can this "right" to blog anonymously be found?

there is no right to anonymity.

MDE, you are free to write a republican attack blog, and those you attack are free to expose your identity. you have every right to yelp about being exposed, but don't you think it's a tad hypocritical?

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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 03:31 PM
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6. Of course it's hypocritical - you can't be in their club unless you are
They are the "do as I say not as I do" party of the high and mighty.

Their pathetic bootlicking mouthpieces emulate them perfectly.
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Lone Republican Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 06:42 AM
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10. Curious
This is my first post here, and in the interest of full disclosure, I am a Republican. I am also a political junkie, which is why I read this site among and many others.

I have a question that I ask sincerely in the hopes of having a rational discussion, and not a Party vs. Party flamefest: Party aside, why is it important to know the identity of MDE? Mndfl (which I assume is an anonymous posting name) says that there is no right to anonymity. I would argue against that on another thread, but my point here is that I don't see how knowing MDE's identity affects the discussion of ideas.

I don't know who mndfl is, and he/she doesn't know who I am, but that is not inhibiting our discussion of ideas. The ideas and information remain the same whether they are brought to us by anonymous poster mndfl, anonymous poster MDE or identified individual John Doe.

I understand that MDE is reporting things that make the DFL party look bad, and you want to reveal his identity in an effort to make him stop. That's fair; politics is a win/lose game, and each side does what it can to win more than it loses. That's how the game is played, and I am certainly not going to suggest changing the rules at this late date. That said, I don't think we need to pretend that the attempt to reveal MDE's identity is for some other, noble, virtuous reason.

I am not posting to defend MDE, or to tell you to "get off his back;" he's a grown man, and can tell you himself if he wants. Once again, my question and wish for sincere discussion is this: party politics aside, does knowing someone's identity lend any meaningful contribution to an honest discussion of ideas? I would appreciate your thoughts!
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Minnesota Raindog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 08:20 AM
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12. Running a website is different than posting to forums
MDE posts all kinds of rumors, innuendos and occasionally, facts. MDE believes he has the same rights and privileges as the mainstream media. Yet he believes no one has the right to know who he is. If he is smart enough to keep his identity secret, good for him. Likewise, if the targets of his bile are smart enough to avoid being "exposed" on MDE, good for them.

But what is a legitimate question is this: does MDE have any official ties to the GOP? If MDE is nothing more than a front for GOP officials' rumor-mongering, people should know that. If MDE is GOP hack Michael Brodkorb, that might make a difference in the credibility of his information. If MDE is run by someone on staff with the GOP, or an elected official's office or campaign, that also is relevant.

All that said, Inside Minnesota Politic's angle at getting to MDE's identity may not be the most legitimate either. But their legitimacy is fodder for another thread--and that battle is MDE's to fight.
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Demrock6 Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 10:33 AM
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13. Also
Read what he did to Dodgier. I do not agree with "Outing" anybody. He has done this. It goes against the unwritten rules of the blogs.

I hope MDE is left anonymous as much as I want to be left anonymous.

He us just getting a taste of what he has done to others.

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mndfl Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 08:12 AM
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11. Dear Lone Republican
you asked a lot of questions without addressing any in my post.

what i question is mde's whining. he started a blog voluntarily to "expose" his political opponents. now he complains that his political opponents are trying to expose him. mde should take responsibility for himself. if you walk into the middle of a bar brawl and start throwing punches, you should expect some punches to be thrown back at you.

mde has failed to explain why revealing his identity would "silence" him.

mde, you and I have a right to express our opinions. and we have a right to complain. but our anonymity is no right. if blogging anonymously was a right, mde's identity could be legally protected from disclosure. there is no express safeguard in law for this. should there be? now THAT'S an interesting question.

if i may borrow someone else's words: blogging anonymously is a preference, not an entitlement.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:38 AM
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7. Yet another example of a Rethuglican...
who reserves the right to attack whomever they perceive to be the enemy, yet, whine like four-year olds when they are questioned, criticized or, in this case, identified.
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dodger501 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 02:54 PM
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8. This guy is a dick
Earlier this year I posted some pictues here in MN DU from the Air Show at Flying Cloud. There was some German army equipment on disply inside and outside a tent. Outside the tent were actors dressed as Wehrmacht.
I put a caption on it that the College Republicans were inside holding a recruiting session.
This guy sent the link all over the right wing blogosphere, including Planet Freep. Other than a bunch of hits, all I got out of it was an email from MDE asking me if I was ashamed of myself.
I replied with several examples of CR strong-arm tactics and Ann The Man Coulter as their patron saint and concluded with: "Now, you tell me whether I should be ashamed or not." No reply.
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mndfl Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 07:38 PM
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9. he asked if you were ashamed? interesting...
when karl rove was named as a likely suspect in the cia leak case, he asked news reporters if they were "ashamed" of themselves for going to his house to ask him quesions.

must be something about morally bankrupt individuals projecting their shame on others. or, it's just something they teach hacks at the lee atwater school of politics. either way, mde is acting weak and scared.
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