Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login

Del. to launch federal ID initiative - (This has GOT to be a joke!)

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Places » Delaware Donate to DU
LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-10 01:39 PM
Original message
Del. to launch federal ID initiative - (This has GOT to be a joke!)

Delawareans who want to board a commercial airplane or train in the future will first have to obtain a federally compliant driver's license or state identification card that meets new post-9/11 security standards.

The new requirement takes effect Dec. 1, 2014, for residents born after 1964. Those born before then have until Dec. 1, 2017, to comply with the mandate, according to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.
To obtain a federally compliant driver's license or identification card, residents will have to show their original birth certificates, Social Security card and two other forms of identification, such as a utility bill or a current state-issued driver's license, said Jennifer Cohan, director of the Division of Motor Vehicles.

Delaware DMV offices will begin issuing the new licenses July 1 as they start phasing in the new ID cards over the next four and a half years, Cohan said.


I can't believe they are forcing this on us. I haven't seen my original issued SSN card since I had my wallet stolen when I was 11 years old. I would have no clue where my birth certificate is. Not every state is buying into this federal ID bullcrap and I can't believe DE is forcing us. In fact Pennsylvania has refused to go with federal ID.

It says that Delawareans would need a federal ID to board a commericial plane or train? First, there are no commericial flights that go out of Delaware - I can't imagine that Philly Airport is going to make exceptions to scanning when it comes to us Delawareans.

I have a driver's license and a passport - that should be enough to satify that I'm an American citizen.
Refresh | +1 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-10 10:12 AM
Response to Original message
1. they will have to make do with certified copies
Of bcerts. That is all one can get from Delaware!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 03:33 PM
Response to Original message
2. A relative just dealt with this
the DMV has a letter they send explaining it all. The upshot is, no matter how old you are or how many decades you have had a Delaware driver's license, the next renewal you will need your birth certificate.

that'll stop terrorism in Delaware! :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-10 01:28 PM
Response to Original message
3. It's the RFID (Radio-frequency identification) part that bothers me the most
From Wiki:
..." It is required to have physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes.

It will use common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements (the details of which are not spelled out, but left to the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Transportation and the states, to regulate)."

"On January 25, 2007, a Resolution passed overwhelmingly in the Maine Legislature that refuses implementation of the Real ID Act in that state, and calls on Congress to repeal the law. Many Maine lawmakers believe the law does more harm than good, that it would be a bureaucratic nightmare to enforce, is threatening to individual privacy, makes citizens increasingly vulnerable to ID theft, and would cost Maine taxpayers at least $185 million in five years because of the massive unfunded federal mandates on all the states. The Resolution vote in the Maine House was 137-4 and in the Maine Senate unanimous, 34-0.<34>

On February 16, 2007, Utah unanimously passed a resolution that opposes the REAL ID Act.<35> The resolution states that REAL ID is "in opposition to the Jeffersonian principles of individual liberty, free markets, and limited government." It further states that "the use of identification-based security cannot be justified as part of a 'layered' security system if the costs of the identification 'layer'--in dollars, lost privacy, and lost liberty--are greater than the security identification provides":

"the "common machine-readable technology" required by the REAL ID Act would convert state-issued driver licenses and identification cards into tracking devices, allowing computers to note and record people's whereabouts each time they are identified"

"the requirement that states maintain databases of information about their citizens and residents and then share this personal information with all other states will expose every state to the information security weaknesses of every other state and threaten the privacy of every American"

"the REAL ID Act wrongly coerces states into doing the federal government's bidding by threatening to refuse noncomplying states' citizens the privileges and immunities enjoyed by other states' citizens"

Perhaps they chose Delaware as a test-case scenario - because we're small - and they knew Rhode Islanders would never stand for it.

Forget whether or not I've done anything whereby I don't want to be tracked, you just know this will be used by advertisers and marketers who will start tracking our shopping habits -- this IS a consumer based economy now, right? Well, for as long as any of us 99ers can hold onto our jobs as we age. Even that's not the point though - IT'S JUST WRONG FOR WHAT WE ALWAYS THOUGHT OF AS AMERICAN PRINCIPLES FOR FREEDOM OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon Oct 16th 2017, 09:13 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]

Home » Discuss » Places » Delaware Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC