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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 05:01 PM
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Do you think any Colo.Pres. candidate will ever win by more than 16 1/3 %?
Because that is what one would have to do to get just 2 net electoral votes in Colorado if Amendment 36 passes. I'd bet almost every election would result in just one net electoral vote for the winner.

Believe it or not, this was Al Franken's Ditto Head buddy Mark Luthor's reasoning to vote against it.

I agree.
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Jeff1965 Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:01 PM
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1. Salazar doesn't like it either.
Personally I want Kerry to get all nine electoral votes.
Clinton carried Colorado in 1992 and Kerry can do it in 2004.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:23 PM
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2. Actually, in the last 10 elections it's happened 4 times
All with "net" gains of 3+ EV's when Colorado had a lower EV count.

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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 08:43 PM
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3. We only had 8 electoral votes until this election. So that changes the %s.
But what is your data? I'd like to know. I remember that 2000 wasn't very close, 1996 was fairly close, 1992 was real close.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:28 PM
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4. Data
"Blow outs" are highlighted. You can do the math. Even with lower EV counts there was a 2-3+ pt "net" gain.

1964: 62% to 38% (6 EVs)
1968: 51% to 42% (6 EVs and 8% to 3rd party)
1972: 64% to 36% (7 EVs)
1976: 54% to 43% (7 EVs)
1980: 55% to 31% (7 EVs)
1984: 63% to 35% (8 EVs)

1988: 53% to 45% (8 EVs)
1992: 40% to 36% (8 EVs and 23% to 3rd party)
1996: 46% to 44% (8 EVs and 7% to 3rd party)

And a comment about the "net" EV argument...the one where everyone reduces Colorado to just ONE EV when opposing A36. Do you know any couples where one partner votes one way and the other another? They essentially cancel each other out. But, is either vote insignificant? I don't think so. You can say Colorado now only has 1 EV. I say that Colorado would finally have a one vote - one voice that truly represented the "will of the people".

Also, regarding the "winner take all".... Colorado has typically had a higher voter turnout than the national average, but when you factor in the actual voters and take out those that don't care...are too lazy...don't vote...you roughly have only 22%-25% of the total state population dictating who our EVs go to.

I'm not going to convince you to vote yes on A36. I know that, and I understand why. I respect your decision. I just hope you can respect mine. We need to start the change in this broken system. I'm sure you've already read all my BS on the other threads so I won't repeat my arguments.

BTW: Do you have anything to do with all those K/E signs I see on south buckley? I smile everytime I drive down that stretch of road. Think I've only seen one bc sign.

Peace
:hippie:
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 12:10 PM
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5. Wow, Reagan really smashed Mondale in Colorado.
And no, I didn't put up those Kerry/Edwards signs. You mean the ones stuck on top of fences? These signs cost $3 to $5 - more than I can afford.
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