Donna Frye

[nadinbrzezinski]

Ok so I am watching news when I hear that Donna is going to ask the city Unions to take a 10 percent cut, and to basically get rid of the retirement system... oh the police was asked to take a 7.5 cut already, why do you think they are working with NO contract?

RANT ON

WHAT THE HECK IS THIS UNION BUSTING ABOUT? I expected this from oh Sanders, but Frye? She was been a friend of labor, ten percent cut, is she nuts? SDPD is the lowest paid major metropolitan area police department in the State, the same goes for Fire.

I will tell you right now what this will lead to... can you say blue flight? Don't bother calling 9.11. There will be very few officers able to resoond. And what happens to the retired people?

So the city council does illegal thing and the workers are left holding the bag?

Sorry, I gave money for her campaign and as of now I will NOT work for it.

Yes was thinking of doing it in crunch time.

Regardless of who gets elected to the mayorship, the city unions... they will try to bust them! Its not like we can afford to buy a house in this city. Hell... maybe it is time to look at ANOTHER department, lord knows plenty are hiring and offering far better pay and benefits. Don't buy the crap, the city does not have a Cadillac retirement system. It was good, but the City Council did what it did and now civil servants are going to be left holding the bag?

Oh and don't start with she is a democrat... I wonder if the DLC got their hand on this stinking pile of manure... 10% cut, well DOnna see this, yes this is my middle finger... and a classic case of less evil-ism.

Oh and the unions are taking the same stance, they are NOT endorsing anyone.

RANT OFF

On edit, I just sent her an email letting her know exactly how I feel...

[cascadiance]

1. The problem is that this pension WAS inflated...

It was done behind closed doors without oversight to reward both the city workers (who were represented by the union people talking with the pension baord) and the pension board who were also getting inflated pensions themselves. The argument is that these agreements to these contracts which weren't being looked at by people that would have to really pay the bills versus those that did know about it that stood to gain from it were illegal. The money ISN'T there to pay it.

I know it's spilt milk now, and it's hard to deal with for people who've planned their careers around this, but the same thing's happened to Enron and other companies where the companies' finances killed off their pensions as well. In hindsight, they should have put the terms of pensions out in propositions like Gavin Newsome did in San Francisco. Even though pension benefits for San Francisco workers were for LESS benefits than what San Diego unions have had, they were terms that everyone (including the tax paying public) bought into, and there can be no way of throwing that out as being "illegally obtained".

The city is facing hard times. They have to find a way to sustain whatever pension plan they do provide. They simply can't continue to pay out more than they take in as revenue, or they will go broke. With either Sanders or Frye, you're going to see cutbacks of pensions. There's just no way around it. If you start selling off land, etc. to pay these debts, sooner or later you won't have any more capital to sell off to pay them, and then the city goes bankrupt (and perhaps in worse shape with the accumulated debt interest, etc. they would have to pay over time). If they lose land they also lose source of tax revenue and places where they can put newer things such as an airport, etc. without going into debt again to do so.

I sympathize with city workers, but we all have to help pay our way out of this mess. Everyone's going to have to chip in. I would expect Donna to put up to a vote an added sales tax to help pay down this debt too (at least temporarily). If we keep this current pension plan and its terms, what it will mean is that many city workers might keep their benefits, but far more will simply lose their jobs.

It's going to be ugly, but whoever wins is going to HAVE to do this. I would expect Donna though to try her best to not put the burden on city employees as much as she's able. She's just not going to be able to keep them completely insulated from this. That's just the way it is no matter who wins.

Trust me, even though it seems that Donna Frye is working against workers, you will have it worse if you vote in Sanders. Where will he get the money to pay down this debt? He will cut more of the city's infrastructure and be less apt to get more revenue than Donna will to make up for the expenses. In the long run, we as city residents will get less city services and we will have less people employed by the city and it will likely be a wash on what will happen to pension benefits.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. I told her what she needs to do

going back to mexico and a mexican president and fully a symbolic act

She NEEDS to lead by example and TAKE A PAY CUT herself

She does that, and pledges that, she may have an easier time

What I said though is the workers are the ones holding the bag... fortunately my husband is just starting so if we decide to go to ANOTHER department, we will loose relatively little... but that ain't the point, she cannot ask the PD to take another cut... she really can't, that will be a total of 17.5 percent.

As is this is the lowest paid PD in the state.

She does, the blue fight will make your head spin, as it is truly a case of evil or less evil...

[cascadiance]

3. San Diego isn't the lowest paid PD in the state...

Check the following article and click on the link in the middle of the page that compares metro areas pensions. If you look at the city of San Diego (at the bottom), not the San Diego County line, it shows they are paid actually more than San Francisco (and more than a number of other cities listed here), but in the case of San Francisco, their plan is fully funded (and is that way because it is VOTER APPROVED). That is the way it should be run. Their benefits are slightly less than San Diego's, but won't have any of the funding problems that San Diego's has.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/pension/20050911-9999-1n11pensions.html

Many cities are now faced with problems with pensions. With the exception of San Franscisco, they are all likely to look at San Diego as guidance on how they can fix their woes too. If you vote against Frye, I still would argue that you will come out worse than if you vote for her, even if she sounds like she's working against you here.

I do believe that Donna has committed to a cut of her pension benefits too. I don't have a link now, but early on she committed to that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. I won't work for her, but this is a case of evil or less evil