Time Magazine calls debate a "draw" ...total neocon spin

[Robert Oak]

" The presidential candidates seemed to fight the first debate to a draw, which probably helps John Kerry. "

http://www.time.com/time/election2004/article/0,18471,703928,00.html?cnn=yes

Propaganda is becoming more obvious as the chimp shows his roots
in front of 62M people at least.

[montana500]

1. Sad.

...and pathetic.

If anyone thinks that debate is a "tie" they are out of their minds.


Time is showing their bias. Maybe they can get together with Gallup.

[fearnobush]

10. Time IS with Gallup,.

Every other Gallup poll is associated with TIME or CNN.

Let TIME know how you feel:

<http://www.time.com/time/contactus2/>

[newyawker99]

30. Hi montana500!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[LostInAnomie]

2. Tie my mother fu%$ing ass

those damn whore will try anything to make * look credible, or at least not retarded.

[Roland99]

3. Author even quotes Bush advisors as saying

they are on defense.

But, the last paragraph the author goes into apologist mode for Bush's reaction shots.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. They've lost it

completely

Trying to staunch that bleeding I see

I wonder what the memo said...

[DeadHead67]

5. OK. . . . Let's see now, that's TIME-WARNER-AOL , etc.etc.etc. . . . . .

. . .that wouldn't be BIG BUSINESS would it? Never forget: " what's good for General Bullmoose is good for the USA "

[johnnyrocket]

26. Yes, its Timer Warner! Time Mag, CNN.... AOL's sites...

are all shills for BushCo.

[murielm99]

6. Idiots!

Even their little survey shows that only 17% of those responding think the shrub won.

Spin yourselves into a hole, media fools. The people can see.

[bluestateguy]

7. Puzzling analysis

Because a draw actually would have helped Bush. When you are up in the polls, a draw suits you just fine.

[TaleWgnDg]

8. well, that's no surprise . . .

After all, look at the source: Time Magazine has been conservative since its inception years ago. And has been steadfast to its long history as such, despite the death of the founder of Time and his wife who carried on after his death. New owners? No diff. Why break w/ its successful "tradition?" heh.

Again, no surprise. I've often wondered how much it hurts Time to publish other-than-conservative stuff?! LOL

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edited to add: hey, if you go to this article on the Time website, notice the poll to the right of the article. Vote for Kerry.

"Who Won the Debate?"

George W. Bush 17.5%
John F. Kerry 82.2%
Draw 0.3%

too damn funny !!!!
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[Union Thug]

9. A perseverating, irascible parrot scores a draw...

...against a better prepared, more intelligent, more presidential competitor like Kerry?

Ok, who is spiking the water supply at Time?

[MsMagnificent]

11. I Thank God I no longer give them money

...& the NY Times has long been cancelled too.

Propaganda of the first water shouldn't have to be paid for... still, I forget how greedy they are.

You know, it is amazing to me that, while Ms Lewinski indeed had her mouth firmly affixed to the prior presidents Johnson; the very public and constant blow jobs the "Liberal Media" bestows unto Fubya's 'political organ' are not more remarked upon!

The disgust I felt is unimaginable when the NY Times today came out with, FINALLY, some real reporting into the Nigerian yellow-cake and aluminum tubes "WMD" debacle.

Gee, JUST a year and a half too late!

--and over a thousand American lives,
and over tens of thousands of Iraqi lives...

Is it possibly worse than even Kafka could imagine?

[fujiyama]

18. My dad

cancelled his subscription of TIME immediately following them crowning him "Man of the Year" in '00. It's such a shallow "news" magazine.

[Quetzal]

20. Totally

I find their articles unprofessional and "lacking specifics and details". I stopped reading them years ago.

[MatrixEscape]

12. So, they can pull that stuff off? For how long?

Their own surveys must somehow indicate to them that they can do this kind of thing and get away with it. It appears that the agenda is not to inform public opinion, but to totally shape it.

Now, there are those of us who stand up and start questioning the credibility of that kind of activity. Is credibility going to matter to them in the long-run? I, for one, am now totally disenfranchised by mass media and its owners.

I know I am not alone, and I know other's will be joining in as this kind of manipulative travesty continues. Bias as news and shallow reporting are certainly prevalent across the board.

So, was Abe right? Can you fool all of the people, all of the time? Well, we are obliged to turn this into a movement in order to prove Lincoln was correct about that.

I guess that means letter writing, ey? Advertisers who use this media, regardless of their connections to the media itself, need to know we are both onto this and that we are not going to be sheeple about it.

The Media is the Massage. If you are politically active, then media is clearly even a bigger battleground than the political arena right now. If America was well-informed without such great pandering and bias, then, to me, Bush would not be holding the numbers he does.

[Julian English]

13. I hate the effect of crack on people's minds

[DeepModem Mom]

14. As Tweety would say, "HA!"

[Hot Water]

15. Maybe they ought to go back and read the article

posted on their own website right after the debate.

[izzie]

16. I think their is some truth in this.

First of all the President has the top spot because he is president. Second all those people and it is about half the voters will stay with Bush That leaves just a few who are not sure and most likely firm up Kerry's base. So he may have been the winner until you take out what people will do with it. You are already heading reasons why Bush did bad and guess who is to blame for it?

[krkaufman]

17. 'Time' has been so freaking pro-Bush since the RNC

Time had the widest poll margins, and now this. Just ridiculous.

How is lying about the debate any different from the forged memos?

Oh, wait. CBS was duped. Time magazine is just flat-out lying.

[orpupilofnature57]

19. TIME to make the media take responsibility for screaming.....

Fire In a crowded theater,hopefully the spin has spun.

[Zynx]

21. Time Magazine isn't worthy of even toilet paper.

[bushwakker]

22. Why would a "draw" help Kerry? Time is just flat out lying for W.

A "draw" would help AWOL since the consensus was that he was ahead going in. Media whores will say anything to prop up the fraud administration.

[Teaser]

24. They're actually right.

In elections with an unpopular incumbent, tying, or even doing worse than the incumbent, but still better than expected, is usually enough to inspire confidence in the challenger. Why? Because people want to be assured that the challenger isn't some maniac or fool or something.

The canonical example is the Carter/Reagan debates.
The Bush/Gore debates are similar. Although Gore wasn't an incumbent, he was close enough. When Bush didn't urinate on himself in public, that was enough for many people to think that he might be OK as president.

[bushwakker]

27. if the debate had truly been a "draw"

it would have been spun as a missed opportunity for kerry with time running out.

[baltodemvet]

23. Just fired off a response to Time

On Friday October 1, John Dickerson wrote "The presidential candidates seemed to fight the first debate to a draw." Did he watch the debate?

Bush's performance was ugly and, while it is possible to 'win ugly,' he didn't.

Kerry won on substance, clearly and effectively detailing the Bush administration's failures of policy and execution. Bush had no substantive defense.

As I write, the Time on-line reader's poll shows that 82% of the respondents think that Kerry won last Thursday's debate. Would a Time sports reporter be allowed to so egregiously misreport the outcome of a significant contest?

[DeepModem Mom]

25. A draw prompts a 14-point poll rise for Kerry? The Beltway echo chamber..

is a provincial atmosphere, conducive to ignorance and self-delusion. TIME should put down its Georgetown cocktail glass, clear its head, and open up its eyes.

[Aunt Anti-bush]

28. Did they watch the same debate I did?

Bush was a stammering idiot and just kept repeating the same idiotic mantras that Rove's been beating into his head. I cannot believe anyone would think he did well enough to tie John Kerry.

[WI_DEM]

29. Newsweek was more honest

[GCP]

31. ROTFLMAO - see this quote from the Bush side

Before the debate Bush's advisers said the President was in the zone.

That would be the Twilight Zone??

[MsMagnificent]

32. Funny you don't hear anymore

how Fubya never lost a debate,
and how much he was a master debater...

Well, take out 'de' and you may finally have the truth!

[SoCalDemocrat]

33. Please provide links so we can right the Editors

We need to bombard Time with letters to the editor and column writer damning their partisanship.

[kohodog]

34. Who is John Dickerson??

I'm not a Time reader and would like to know something about him other that that he has his head up his ass.

[West Coast Democrat]

35. Will they release another bogus Time polling with that same conclusion?

Because even the right-wing shill Gallup poll found overwhelmingly that Kerry won. How can Time magazine come to another conclusion?