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Was_Immer Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:39 PM
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John Kerry Never Served In Vietnam?
This was shown to me by my friend:
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New details prove John Kerry was never in Vietnam.

New credible reports have surfaced over the past week alleging that John Kerry’s (news, website) record in Vietnam (news, websites) may not be all it was made out to be. Although recent allegations were raised that questioned portions of his record in Vietnam, namely medals. These new reveal very conclusively that perhaps John Kerry never actually served in Vietnam in the first place.

Through the Freedom of Information Act, a recently created 527 group (a tax-exempt political organization that is created primarily to inform voters) called Truth about Vietnam Veterans (news, website), obtained long lost army files about the service of John Kerry. Dating back to his enlistment, they paint a picture that John Kerry actually paid for his name to be added to serving combat regimens in Vietnam. The group’s president, Lt. Thomas Dangel, who served two tours in Vietnam, knows a little about similar circumstances. Lt. Dangel served as a marine, and later wounded, lost the use of his arms. Instead of returning home, he was assigned as a file clerk in Hanoi. One of his many responsibilities was to file the actual combat records of personal in Vietnam.
“My job was,” Lt. Dangel spoke at a news conference, “ to make sure everyone who served had a record of what they did.” Lt. Dangel went on to add that, “the reason was for the army to keep track of future pension and personal payments, after the war.”

Lt. Thomas Danel’s job was to keep track of actual on the job time, for soldiers in Vietnam. But he soon discovered that many soldiers on paper, were doing something’s they couldn’t be doing, namely because they were never in Vietnam in the first place. Soldiers would be registered as fighting the front lines, when in fact they were not even in Vietnam in the first place. Often, these soldiers would be back at home, thousands of miles from where their service said they were.

When asked if Dangel remember specifically John Kerry’s name, Dangel responded: “I don’t recall personally John Kerry. But I do recall that a lot of the swift boat crews, were in fact, phantoms as we called them.”

These so called “phantoms” was a term the file clerks used to describe these service men who were allegedly in Vietnam, yet no one had seen them in the flesh. In fact, they were fictional paper trails.

When Dangel did return to the States, after the war, he did a little investigation, and discovered that many of these “phantoms” were actually Democratic politicians who claimed to be in the war. However, Dangel did not have the resources at the time to conclusively say whether his suspicions were correct or not. His findings did hint that this may have been a Democratic Party cover-up, in conjunction with the Viet Cong.

Flashback 30 some odd years. With help from a few wealthy investors, Dangel started the Truth about Vietnam Veterans group. “I started it,” Dangel states, “after I saw how some of the Democrats were portraying John Kerry to be something he was not. A veteran!” The group, through several court cases, that have largely gone unnoticed by the liberal media, has uncovered a paper trail about John Kerry that is shocking, to say the least.

Beginning in 1967, Kerry has been discovered to have paid two hundred thousand dollars (equivalent to several million today) for his name to be placed into a combat role in Vietnam. Over the next few months, into 1968, Kerry paid additional funds to raise his status in Vietnam, including paying extra for heroic actions to be added to his file. In fact, alleged people Kerry saved from enemy fire are said to be paid Hollywood actors, appearing in previous low budget B-movies.

Although this was interesting, the fact remained that John Kerry still had war medals to tout around. That’s where retired General Adam Dunn (news, website) comes in. Dunn did not actually serve in Vietnam, however has worked with others that have. “You want to talk about medals,” Dunn began, “Medals can be bought anywhere, any time. That don’t make them real. You want medals, go anywhere on the internet and you can order yourself any type of medal. I know people that have ordered the German Iron Cross, and have claimed to be the Kaiser, for Christ’s sake!” When General Dunn was confronted with the documentation surrounding Kerry’s honorable actions to earn the medals, he had this to say: “You have to be (deleted expletive) joking. Documents are worthless, hasn’t CBS shown the liberal media anything. The fact is, if you try hard enough you could authenticate anything. Go to Ebay and search for war medals. You can become a five star general over night!”

In fact, using such evidence, the 527 group Truth about Vietnam Veterans has begun to test market ads in two key swing states, Florida and Ohio. Along with the testimony of Lt. Thomas Dangel, and retired General Dunn, the uncovered papers, the group plans to show that John Kerry is a liar and not a veteran. The group claims that John Kerry not only never served in Vietnam, but now collects a phony military pension. These revelations are sure to be a hot topic in the final weeks of the election.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:41 PM
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1. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 02:42 PM by CatWoman
believe it or not, I'm neither a cat, nor a woman.

A 527 group built me out of old tuna cans.
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:06 PM
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28. I just predicted today that they had run out of SCHIT.....
And I was right....this proves it.

This is the best news I've heard in a long time.
Thanks for brightening my day.

Based on this I'll make a prediction....however much I hate to do so.
Following tonites debate Kerry will...within 3 days...show a solid electoral college lead....which will convert within 2-3 weeks to a situation which shows it impossible for Bush to win.

Tell your friends to go out and register....deadline to vote for many states is upon us.

Go out Oct 5th....buy F/911 and distribute to as many friends as possible.....
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:08 PM
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30. And....hahahahahahaha! That's so lame, it's pitiful. They're desperate.
He's been in public office for over 30 years. His records have been reviewed with a fine tooth comb by various entities and people. The military guys he actually served with (and the guy whose life he saved) have made public statements many times on his behalf. I think Kerry even covered his service in a book he wrote.

This is like saying that Jack Kennedy didn't serve. It's pathetic. Sounds like one of those fake e-mails that's making the rounds.
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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:41 PM
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2. And why show it here?
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Was_Immer Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:41 PM
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4. cause i thought it was funny
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:10 PM
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32. You know why, don'tcha?
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:58 PM
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46. why not?? Thats hillarious!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:41 PM
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3. any Link?
oh, and it's absoLuteLy true!
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Was_Immer Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:43 PM
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7. no was emailed to me, ill ask him though
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Was_Immer Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:43 PM
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8. although smells like an Onion article
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:42 PM
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5. No links, no sources, the original message is pure troll.
Nothing else need be said.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:42 PM
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6. Karl Rove
The butthead of all buttheads.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:43 PM
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9. Oh, you got it from Snopes, right?
Send your "friend" there. Or not.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:45 PM
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10. FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEE
There's nothing on google about this. It looks like a joke to me. Anybody check to see if Thomas Dangel writes for the Onion???
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:46 PM
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11. pure bullshit
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:46 PM
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Was_Immer Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:47 PM
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14. geeze i just thought it was funny
come on now people its obviously fake, dont know where he got it though.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:00 PM
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24. I couldn't tell. Sorry for the harsh words, I don't have much
patience any more. Again, sorry, you didn't say much about how ridiculous it was, so I fired away when I shouldn't have.

Is it satire? People cannot really buy into that level of delusion, can they?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:46 PM
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43. Are you kidding?
Some freeper is going to pick it up with a big A-HA!! and believe every word of it. My delusional co-worker is absolutely sure that Saddam pulled off a lateral pass of 500 tons of chem weapons to Syria under the eyes of our spy satellites.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:47 PM
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13. Makes perfect sense to me !
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 02:50 PM by Kerryfan
What better job to give to someone who loses the use of both arms than to make them a FILE CLERK ? :silly: I think Drudge should get right on this.
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:48 PM
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15. I bet I know where that came from
It sounds like THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER or maybe something straight from Karl Rove's typewriter? Either way, it's hogwash, to put it politely.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:49 PM
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16. ROFL..is this from the Onion or did you write it?
too good!
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:50 PM
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17. Kerry
Then Bush flew paper airplanes in the guard
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:52 PM
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18. What about the 300+ Swift Boat Liars for Bush who served with him?
in vietnam

Now they are saying they really WERE lying about serving with Kerry and him faking all those medals.

ha ha
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:54 PM
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Right...
'...obtained long lost army files about the service of John Kerry. Dating back to his enlistment, they paint a picture that John Kerry actually paid for his name to be added to serving combat regimens in Vietnam.'

Did anyone tell the writer of this that Kerry served in the NAVY?
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markdd Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:54 PM
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19. ARMY Records???????????
Uh, John was in the NAVY!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:55 PM
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20. Hey... Now I Remember, You're Right !!!
Kerry was up on a river between Vietnam and Cambodia, where he shaved his head, sweat profusely, changed his name to Kurtz, and had the villagers cut Oxen in half!!!

The Desperation... The Desperation...

:hi::evilgrin::hi:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:56 PM
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21. You need different friends.
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 02:56 PM by geek tragedy
This guy is part of the "Klintoon Konspiracy Krowd" at Freeperville.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:56 PM
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22. Thanks, Was_Immer
that was priceless!

A lot of folks are a little sensitive over this kind of thing, understandably, but I think the humor was pretty decent - and makes as much sense as the SBVfT crap.

A file clerk with no use of his arms - that was hilarious, and the early giveaway.
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Was_Immer Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:02 PM
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25. You guys missed "file clerk in Hanoi"
Hanoi was part of the communist Vietnam!
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:05 PM
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27. Damn
ya know, the more I think about this I think I saw him at Winn Dixie the other day - he was with Elvis.
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:04 PM
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26. Hey! He was a Marine
a little thing like being unable to use his arms wouldn't keep him from filing records, He just pulled them from the file cabinets with his teeth, like bobbing for apples.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 02:59 PM
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23. We never landed on the moon either.
</sarcasm>
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:07 PM
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29. I have it on good authority that John Kerry DOESN'T EXIST AT ALL!
That's right. He is a hologram from the future sent here to trick us into burning our bibles, entering into homosexual marriages and surrendering to the UN.

Really! Once Drudge picks this up, it's bound to be a hot topic in the final weeks of the election!
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:10 PM
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31. Sounds like one of those fake e-mails going around. I got a different
one about Heinz Corporation. The Repubs are not exactly into truth. This is ludicrous. He's been in public office for over 30 years. His records have been out there for that long. The guys he actually served with (incl. the guy whose life he saved) have made numerous public statements on his behalf.

Nice try, though.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:13 PM
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33. Nice joke. But John Kerry isn't his real name.
You see he's really a time traveler from the future and he's not even from Earth. Theresa is also from another planet. Imagine all the records they had to change. But they got their cue from Bush who pretended to be President for four years.
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cmf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:19 PM
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34. Funny!
:-D

Unfortunately, the problem with good satire is that numbnutz like Repukes fall for it and think it's real.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:19 PM
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35. Loved the part about Dangle being stationed in Hanoi
Wonder if he met Jane Fonda there? I think he went from there to the Reno Police dept.
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fishface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:21 PM
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36. bwhahahaaaa..desperation by chickenhawk pussys
fff
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:33 PM
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37. And the holocaust never happen either I suppose
Geez, sounds like Ted Sampley. I'll go have a look see. As soon as I stop having apoplexy.
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Barney Rocks Donating Member (746 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:35 PM
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38. this just defies
credibility. I am speechless.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:37 PM
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39. Tell your friend Kerry was in the NAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, OF COURSE there would be no Army records of him - duh!!!!!

Just how dumb can they get? NEVER underestimate the damage 150 million BELOW AVERAGE people can do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:38 PM
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40. I think I've seen one such ad in Ohio....
...and it is damn near slanderous.

Kerry is basically called a traitor.



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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:42 PM
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41. I'm starting my own 527:
Sourceless Delusional Trolls for Truth- :evilgrin:
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H3Dakota Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:45 PM
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42. The scary part...
Is that I know several Repubs that would sincerely BELIEVE such BS & wouldn't hesitate to broadcast email it out!

So, knowing that, I sent a copy over to Snopes... hopefully they'll post it on their website so that I can send those folks that way when they start emailing this one around...
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:47 PM
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44. Welcome to DU, H3Dakota!
:toast:
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H3Dakota Donating Member (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 03:52 PM
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45. Thanks!
:hi:
Been lurking for a long time, finally decided to speak up...


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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 04:08 PM
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48. Welcome H3Dakota
:hi:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 04:04 PM
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47. Lt. Dangel was assigned in Hanoi?
DAMN, I HOPE THE RNC RELEASES THIS!!!

My three year old niece could debunk this one with her eyes closed!

:evilgrin:
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 04:12 PM
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49. Lt. Dangle? wait a minute...
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 04:17 PM by rniel
isn't that the gay cop on that Reno911 show on Comedy Central
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