Democrat vs. Bush/X?

[maxr4clark]

Someone mentioned to me the idea that Bush might choose someone other than Cheney as his running mate this time. Any guesses who?

Also, adopting the probably Dean but maybe Clark stance for a moment, are there any likely choices Bush could make to counter one of our candidates? I would think Frist might be seen as a counter to Dean, both being doctors, or Colin Powell or Condy Rice as a counter to Clark.

Thoughts?

[POed_Ex_Repub]

1. I cold see him tapping Colon

Powell... (If the offer would be accepted is another story)

[jujube2]

13. I thought that Powell was only interested in one term?

[Clark Campaigner]

2. How could anyone know that?

Every public statement on the issue has been that Cheney will be on the ticket.

I think it's just wishful thinking to consider otherwise... but why, I don't know.
I'm not afraid of Dick Cheney!

[necso]

3. My bet is Cheney stays.

Unless Cheney wants to go, dropping him will be seen as Bush distancing himself from the neocons, PNAC, etc. This would imply that there may have been "mistakes" --- no chance of that.

Having a person of color as his running mate would do wonders for Bush in the south (and elsewhere). You can rule this or a woman just flat out.

Auntie Condo-sleaza is headed for Sec State and Uncle Collin is just headed home (good riddance --- maybe you can find your integrity there --- cause you must have lost it somewhere).

If Cheney does go, it will be some Bush family loyalist, maybe James Baker, but probably someone else.

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[necso]

6. Reading a little too much into it, aren't you?

Since when are Auntie and Uncle derogatory terms? I'm an uncle and my sister is an auntie. We get called these terms all the time. Do Colin and Condo-whatever not have nephews or nieces? If so I will gladly change my post.

Certainly I have nothing against either of them on the basis of race, rather I only have problems with what they do and say (and therefore who they are). Indeed I am rather offended that you would suggest so. I would be delighted to see either of them as Bush's running mate or any other fate that they so richly deserve. But the republicans would have to be out of their minds to select either of them or any other person of color for Bush's running mate. If Americans were liberal minded enough to accept a person of color as president or vice president, we would not be in this mess today.... and the General might not have a chance at being the Democratic nominee (much to our loss, I think).

Moreover, just because they are persons of color (I think, actual genetic tests have turned up stranger things), I will not treat them with kid gloves any more than I would Richard Perle or Dick Cheney or any other of these misguided people. They are all taking us down the very wrong path and it is just as racist to ignore any of them because of their race as it is to especially target them on that basis.

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[necso]

9. I still don't get it.

Racism is "hatred, discrimination or prejudice based on race." or "the belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others." I don't hate Condo-lizard or Powell based on their color. I hate them based on their actions.

While the inferences attached to these terms (rightly or wrongly) might convey a notion of color, it is not the being of the color that is the heart of the insult, but rather the doing of particular despicable actions or holding of particular despicable attitudes (being servile to evil masters, for example); these actions or attitudes being despicable in any case, but being particularly despicable as a result of race of the party involved and the circumstances. Moreover I do not infer that these despicable acts and attitudes are a result of their color, rather I very much infer that they are capable of better, but choose their courses of action.

Perhaps in your mind the word "Tom" in this context is followed by the "N-word". In my mind it is followed by the word "sellout" or the like.

But enough.

If I have offended any fair minded person of color by my words, then I apologize. This will not include Condo-weza or Colin and to them I say "You are a disgrace to (the notion of) humanity and to the human race. You are willing to serve men for whom playing on American racism is a cornerstone of their strategy for winning elections. By serving them you provide cover for and tacitly support these and other policies that are especially harmful to the poor, the disadvantaged and persons of color. Shame on you."

Better?

Personally I preferred the nebulous and gentle mocking, but what the hey.

I think that I am beginning to get a hint of what all these Dean supporters are complaining about... but in any event I am set on Clark and nothing will sway me, not even the insults and the overly PC disavowal of my own compatriots.

[tedoll78]

5. I bet that too.

Cheney is more of an asset to Bush than you might think. He's a reassurance for many voters who would feel uncomfortable placing the country in the Chimp's hands alone.

Having Cheney on their ticket is an asset to us also, especially if Dean gets the nod. This will prevent them from attacking us on gay marriage, since Cheney and Dean's states' rights positions are essentially the same. Of course, we can always expect other groups to seek paydirt on the issue..

[bowens43]

7. Well , if Rove would return his call

it could be Clark.

[jujube2]

11. Candidates from different parties can't run on the same ticket

can they?

[jujube2]

10. I heard it could be Rudi Giuliani

Can anyone confirm this?

[tedoll78]

12. Not sure.

I wonder if that would piss-off the socially conservative base. Would evangelicals sit at home on election day? And would the center gained from such a nomination offset the loss? Rudy is very pro-choice and pro-gay. He's more liberal than most southern Democrats on those issues.