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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:40 PM
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House health care bill has nowhere to go in Senate


WASHINGTON The glow from a health care triumph faded quickly for President Barack Obama on Sunday as Democrats realized the bill they fought so hard to pass in the House has nowhere to go in the Senate.

Speaking from the Rose Garden about 14 hours after the late Saturday vote, Obama urged senators to be like runners on a relay team and "take the baton and bring this effort to the finish line on behalf of the American people."

The problem is that the Senate won't run with it. The government health insurance plan included in the House bill is unacceptable to a few Democratic moderates who hold the balance of power in the Senate.

If a government plan is part of the deal, "as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote," said Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Connecticut independent whose vote Democrats need to overcome GOP filibusters.

"The House bill is dead on arrival in the Senate," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said dismissively.


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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul
Democrats did not line up to challenge him. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has yet to schedule floor debate and hinted last week that senators may not be able to finish health care this year.
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rusty charly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:42 PM
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1. Don't any of these Senators
remember what The Republican'ts did when they ruled the world? We have power. Use it.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:44 PM
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2. Yay! You must be glad. Now we won't get any reform...
And Obama will go down as a failure.

You must be so happy, cali!

;)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:47 PM
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5. huh? First of all, I support Obama. Secondly, I hope against hope
that a decent bill will miraculously emerge from conference.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:48 PM
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7. You said you hoped this bill would fail. It's going to fail.
You got your wish.

Reform is dead if this bill doesn't get beyond the senate. If it does, as per your article, it'll be even worse than the bill we have now.

You got your wish.
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:45 PM
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3. I won't be embracing
the idea we've lost because some Republican or Insurance company shill says so. I'll be doing all I can to put pressure on Washington to get it done.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:46 PM
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4. Yeah I remember those guys they are the same guys who said that Obama couldn't get


the nomination
win the election
pass the stimulus
pass the budget


but some people here will still fall for it.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:47 PM
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6. it'll do fine. joe talks loudly, but carries a small stick
he'll go along to get along in the end.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:49 PM
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8. and exactly who's playing with their cheapo crystal ball, now?
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:56 PM
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10. I predict Obama signs a bill with a Public Option. Do you doubt this?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:58 PM
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11. In a word? Yes.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:04 PM
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14. don't let your doubt cloud your perspective
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MarlaM Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:00 PM
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12. What Joe Lieberman said today
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 06:01 PM by MarlaM
Joe Lieberman (11-08-09): LIEBERMAN: If the public option plan is in there, as a matter of conscience, I will not allow this bill to come to a final vote because I believe debt can break America and send us into a recession thats worse than the one were fighting our way out of today. I dont want to do that to our children and grandchildren.


http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/08/lieberman-filibuste... /

It's sad but true. Joe is against progress.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:04 PM
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13. Lieberman is but one man.
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MarlaM Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:11 PM
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18. But isn't one man all the Republicans need?
40 Republicans plus a Judas are sufficient to maintain a filibuster.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:05 PM
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15. All Bark, No Bite
You'll see.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:09 PM
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26. Joe can't be allowed to block this
We will have to hold session 24/7 until he caves. This is no joking matter - I'll go protest until Joe allows a vote on this.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:26 PM
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21. A public option with an opt out on a trigger?
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:37 PM
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22. do you really care, or is it all a joke to you?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:48 PM
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23. I'm thinking that may actually be necessary to get it through the Senate.
Lieberman is a pain in the ass. Snowe might vote for it with a trigger and it would give cover to the Conservadems to come along and then we don't need Lieberman. It needs to be a hair-trigger.

You do have to keep a little humor about things though or you'll go nuts.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:04 PM
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24. it will pass the Senate with an Opt Out. the trigger is not an option.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:22 PM
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29. Well, OK then. I'm glad you've got this all figured out.
I hope you are right and I guess we have 57 votes for that. Now we just need to figure out a way to get those other three votes.
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:26 PM
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30. they'll come around.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:51 PM
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9. That or he can await Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann descending upon him.
He'll lose those donations from big companies right quick.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:06 PM
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16. Joe really is looking bad here for reelection. His poll #'s have been down.
He is trying to hold on by his fingernails by appealing to the conservatives who voted for him last time though the Dems that did have abandoned him.
He has no where to go. Desperate little man. I plan on writing some more nasty emails to him.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:10 PM
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17. Yahoo/AP is right on cue.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


and so are those who believe what they write.....

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:24 PM
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19. Wow! Cool lemming video!!!
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:25 PM
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20. The Senate will pass its own version, as it should, then it goes to conference. MSM can eat shit !
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Aramchek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:12 PM
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27. you are correct, sir!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:07 PM
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25. Well, back to reality. Reid needs to force the Senate into session continuously
24/7 until the obstructionists start to see that they will pay a huge price if they don't allow a vote on the bill.
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 07:15 PM
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28. another stupid, inaccurate, and wishful-thinking AP article. Nothing new.
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